Missions

[aikenfan]

i am looking for a few answers regarding those who go on missions and what needs to be done in order for you to go, or even prevent you from going...isnt it what a person does personally that makes them worthy to go on a mission, just as it is for temples? would something someone in your family or house did prevent you from being able to go on a mission?

i have more specifics regarding a certain person i know if someone could help me out here i would apppreciate it!

[StrawberryFields]

I wish I knew the answers to the questions you have. This sounds like it might be a very personal issue; one that maybe your bishop could help you with.

If you are looking for just support, feel free to PM me and I can try to help you.

In re-reading your question it seems a bit vague, but I believe that we are only held accountable for our own sins.

[aikenfan]

i would go to the bishop but he is the one i am questioning here...so i dont know where else to go....

[Snow]

Stake President -- but I must say that if the real issue is that you are a Clay Aikens fan, I too question your capacity to serve a mission.

[aikenfan]

well i was just reading another thread where it angered me that some people here, i didnt say all, i said some people could be such jerks and it proved itself right here in this one as well...

for one...i had a serious question that i thought someone here could help with(seems i might have been wrong maybe).... i normally dont post much but i do read alot... i am always looking for more info about the religion and having input from others is great, except when they say stupid stuff like the last post....

i wasnt asking because it is myself that is wanting to go on a mission, as stated i know someone else who does.....so saying something stupid because of my chosen user name is just that, stupid.....why go there?? its really none of your business... i asked for mission information.....

i appreciate the serious people who have tried to help and would appreciate more help.... if anyone thinks they can help me , PM me and i will give you the rest of the story.... seems like i cant do that here, i might be judged again!

thanks to those who have taken me serious and treated me serious.....

P.S.. for the record, its AIKEN!! no S!! not being a fan doesnt give you the right to say things about someone else like you did....

thats it, im done...

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by aikenfan@Dec 30 2004, 10:51 AM

well i was just reading another thread where it angered me that some people here, i didnt say all, i said some people could be such jerks and it proved itself right here in this one as well...

for one...i had a serious question that i thought someone here could help with(seems i might have been wrong maybe).... i normally dont post much but i do read alot... i am always looking for more info about the religion and having input from others is great, except when they say stupid stuff like the last post....

i wasnt asking because it is myself that is wanting to go on a mission, as stated i know someone else who does.....so saying something stupid because of my chosen user name is just that, stupid.....why go there?? its really none of your business... i asked for mission information.....

i appreciate the serious people who have tried to help and would appreciate more help.... if anyone thinks they can help me , PM me and i will give you the rest of the story.... seems like i cant do that here, i might be judged again!

thanks to those who have taken me serious and treated me serious.....

P.S.. for the record, its AIKEN!! no S!! not being a fan doesnt give you the right to say things about someone else like you did....

thats it, im done...

I think you have just had a "SnowJob" and I am sorry.

He didn't mean to offend you I am quite sure of that. His humor takes some getting used to and even with time can be offensive. His answer about your Stake President is a good one.

I think that if you are considering a mission you owe it to yourself to get your questions answered. The sooner you get your answers the better. Satan will work on you and cause you to have doubt...listen with your heart on this one.

Really, don't let Snow's comment drive you away...you should not give him that power.

[aikenfan]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields+Dec 30 2004, 11:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Strawberry Fields @ Dec 30 2004, 11:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--aikenfan@Dec 30 2004, 10:51 AM

i asked for mission information.....

I think you have just had a "SnowJob" and I am sorry.

Really, don't let Snow's comment drive you away...you should not give him that power.

thanks SF.. i have moved on...this is an important subject to me so i am looking for answers.. thanks for the help!

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by aikenfan@Dec 29 2004, 09:57 PM

i am looking for a few answers regarding those who go on missions and what needs to be done in order for you to go, or even prevent you from going...isnt it what a person does personally that makes them worthy to go on a mission, just as it is for temples? would something someone in your family or house did prevent you from being able to go on a mission?

i have more specifics regarding a certain person i know if someone could help me out here i would apppreciate it!

You have to be temple worthy to serve a mission. The only thing someone in your household could do that may prevent you from serving a mission might be if you came from a polygamous household (at least that used to be an issue--not sure now.) If you were sexually abused, that would not prevent you from serving a mission providing you receive adequet counseling for mental health. There are certain medical conditions that could limit where you serve.

I think Strawberry is right that you really need to ask all these questions to your Bishop.

Also, missionaries need to be able to tolerate rejection. Don't take Snow so seriously! :)

[aikenfan]

ok thanks again for your input but this isnt about me...here is the whole story....

i have a son who is 22

his girlfriend and family are church members... though the girlfriend stopped attending regularily

my son was never a member of the church, i am a convert, he chose not to join

problem is my son and GF now have a son who is 8 months and they are not married

they were up until sept living with the GF's mom and sister

the sister is the one who wants to go on a mission

the BISHOP said that because my son and GF werent married, have a child and were living with her mom and sister that it wasnt possible for the holy ghost to be present in the household, therefore makig the sister not "worthy" so it looks like no mission for her....

now the question i had was this...isnt everyone responsible for themselves? why should something someone in your house does affect you in that way? as long as the sister isnt having premarital sex or living with her boyfriend? am i wrong with the way i am thinking?

sorry to be such a pain about this but i just needed answers and dont know where else to turn... where, besides the bishop that is....

thanks!

[Guest curvette]

<<the BISHOP said that because my son and GF werent married, have a child and were living with her mom and sister that it wasnt possible for the holy ghost to be present in the household, therefore makig the sister not "worthy" so it looks like no mission for her....>>

That is ridiculous. That Bishop may as well tell people who live in apartments that the Holy Ghost can't be present there because some of the tenants cohabitate. Besides, I assume that the mother encourages the kids to get married. She's probably just making the best out of a "less than ideal" situation. I'm sorry that their bishop is being so self righteous. It happens.

[aikenfan]

Originally posted by curvette@Dec 30 2004, 05:59 PM

That is ridiculous. That Bishop may as well tell people who live in apartments that the Holy Ghost can't be present there because some of the tenants cohabitate. Besides, I assume that the mother encourages the kids to get married. She's probably just making the best out of a "less than ideal" situation. I'm sorry that their bishop is being so self righteous. It happens.

thanks, thats what i was thinking....

[Snow]

Originally posted by aikenfan@Dec 30 2004, 08:51 AM

well i was just reading another thread where it angered me that some people here, i didnt say all, i said some people could be such jerks and it proved itself right here in this one as well...

for one...i had a serious question that i thought someone here could help with(seems i might have been wrong maybe).... i normally dont post much but i do read alot... i am always looking for more info about the religion and having input from others is great, except when they say stupid stuff like the last post....

i wasnt asking because it is myself that is wanting to go on a mission, as stated i know someone else who does.....so saying something stupid because of my chosen user name is just that, stupid.....why go there?? its really none of your business... i asked for mission information.....

i appreciate the serious people who have tried to help and would appreciate more help.... if anyone thinks they can help me , PM me and i will give you the rest of the story.... seems like i cant do that here, i might be judged again!

thanks to those who have taken me serious and treated me serious.....

P.S.. for the record, its AIKEN!! no S!! not being a fan doesnt give you the right to say things about someone else like you did....

thats it, im done...

No it's just a wild guess but Imma think'n that if you get so bented out of shape because someone: one - answers your question and two - teases you about being a Clay Aikenes fan, that you might just be wound a bit too tight --- that or you have an inoperable goiter... however, I caution you that I am not a licensed and practicing physician so you should probably consult a qualified medical professional before resigning yourself to living with it.

Regard to your aunt.

[aikenfan]

snow, i did not get bent out of shape because somebody answered my question... i have been asking for their opinions, so why would i get like that? i appreciate all the SERIOUS help and comments....

teasing is fine as long as its done in an appropriate manner....but thats ok, i have seen your posts before, i will take SF's advice and not let it get to me... just looking for some help with the bishops comments, thats all i am doing....

only thing is, i just dont get your"Regard to your aunt. " comment...call me stupid, oh well

[Jenda]

Originally posted by aikenfan@Dec 30 2004, 06:33 PM

only thing is, i just dont get your"Regard to your aunt. " comment...call me stupid, oh well

You may regret having said that....................

[aikenfan]

QUOTE (aikenfan @ Dec 30 2004, 06:33 PM)

only thing is, i just dont get your"Regard to your aunt. " comment...call me stupid, oh well

You may regret having said that....................

i can just imagine...not a problem... i just consider the source....

thats it for me folks.... guess i need to look elsewhere for the answer i am looking for.... thanks to those who tried to help!

[Amillia]

Originally posted by aikenfan@Dec 30 2004, 07:33 PM

snow, i did not get bent out of shape because somebody answered my question... i have been asking for their opinions, so why would i get like that? i appreciate all the SERIOUS help and comments....

teasing is fine as long as its done in an appropriate manner....but thats ok, i have seen your posts before, i will take SF's advice and not let it get to me... just looking for some help with the bishops comments, thats all i am doing....

only thing is, i just dont get your"Regard to your aunt. " comment...call me stupid, oh well

Snow is in his own world and as Strawberry said, shouldn't be taken seriously. I concur with all those who stated that this bishop is wrong about denying anyone a mission because of something her sister did.

I would go tell your friend that she can go to the stake president or to the area presidents if there still are some or even higher because the church has a line of authority to protect us from wacko leaders like this bishop.

[Marsha]

Originally posted by aikenfan@Dec 30 2004, 09:33 PM

only thing is, i just dont get your"Regard to your aunt. " comment...call me stupid, oh well

ok this is what I get: Son and GF have baby, you are either Grandma or Grandpa, not sure your sex. Anyway that is not revelent. GF's sister is your grandchilds AUNT so Snow sends his regards to HER.

Marsha

[speedomansam]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields@Dec 30 2004, 11:18 AM

I think you have just had a "SnowJob" and I am sorry.

He didn't mean...

woh, this is kinda random, but for some reason i always thought snow was a girl... for some reason i must associate the word snow as feminine. it makes way more sense, now, though.

oh, and aiken, snow was giving you serious advice to a serious question; the very first thing he said was stake president and that's what you should do--talk to your stake president.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Amillia@Dec 30 2004, 10:16 PM

I would go tell your friend that she can go to the stake president or to the area presidents if there still are some or even higher because the church has a line of authority to protect us from wacko leaders like this bishop.

Peace,

Why must you continually show disdain for the Church and Church leaders. First, you have zero idea what the real situation is. You don't even know the situation that Clay Aikinses purports to have happened cuz Clay ain't saying much. Third, even if Clay were to explain the situation - what possible reason is there to believe that Clay is right and the Bishop is wrong????

All we know about Clay is that he/she has access to a computer and the internet. That's it - nothing else. A Bishop on the other hand we know has a temple reccommend, has held position of successive and growing responsibility in the kingdom for years, serves the Lord and the Saint for 30 plus hours per week free of charge, has 3 or more close and sober associates looking over his shoulder and giving him advice, has regular worthiness interviews with the Stake President, and on and on and on.

Gosh - who should we lend credibility too? A fellar with a computer, or a Bishop? My oh my what a tough choice.

It ain't the Bishop who is whacko.

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Snow@Dec 31 2004, 03:32 AM

Gosh - who should we lend credibility too? A fellar with a computer, or a Bishop? My oh my what a tough choice.

It ain't the Bishop who is whacko.

I don't think we should lend credibility to anyone. We should just look at the situation that is presented, offer the best advice we can, and if something fishy is going on that hasn't been told to us in the scenario given, it will be flushed out by the stake president.

That is my piece of advice (although, take it with a grain of salt, as I am not LDS.) It could be that the bishop is having his own issues with the situation that prevents him from seeing all things clearly. Or, maybe the bishop has been in the position too long and can't see the good in anything and needs to be replaced. The point is, maybe there are things going on with the bishop that he hides or negates in his worthiness interview that should be brought to light. If no one stood up for their rights (and I, also, don't think someone should be judged by their sisters attitude and sin), the world would be run by a bunch of power-hungry people, and that even includes the church(es). Don't think people in church are immune to power.

[aikenfan]

ok once again i say thanks to those who have tried to help me....

oh, and aiken, snow was giving you serious advice to a serious question; the very first thing he said was stake president and that's what you should do--talk to your stake president.

yes i know he did... i did say thanks before for all the advice, INCLUDING that one from snow....

ok this is what I get: Son and GF have baby, you are either Grandma or Grandpa, not sure your sex. Anyway that is not revelent. GF's sister is your grandchilds AUNT so Snow sends his regards to HER.

ok thanks for explaining, as i said call me stupid....i am grand-MA!

You don't even know the situation that Clay Aikinses purports to have happened cuz Clay ain't saying much. Third, even if Clay were to explain the situation - what possible reason is there to believe that Clay is right and the Bishop is wrong????

i have explained the situation snow, how much more info do you need?

i myself value very much what my bishop says so when this happened i was confused and thats why i am seeking input from others who know more about the church than i do....

All we know about Clay is that he/she has access to a computer and the internet. That's it - nothing else.

as i said snow, i did explain the situation, what i didnt say is that i a female, 40 years old and a member of the church for 3 years now....i did say i was a convert. i was baptised on christmas day 2001.....being new to the church is one of the main reasons i am seeking further knowledge of the church and its views and beliefs....if you have more info you would like from me by all means let me know... i have nothing to hide , i will tell you what you what to know.. i was just hoping to get some info about the situation and as to what the church views are about this... is this how the church feels? or just my bishop?

Gosh - who should we lend credibility too? A fellar with a computer, or a Bishop? My oh my what a tough choice.

It ain't the Bishop who is whacko.

just so everyone knows...i once again state that i love my bishop and i for one dont agree that he is whacko...sure i may be JUST a woman with a computer(but i have the desire to learn all i can about the church) and he is the bishop, but thats why i am here, to find out more... thats all

I don't think we should lend credibility to anyone. We should just look at the situation that is presented, offer the best advice we can, and if something fishy is going on that hasn't been told to us in the scenario given, it will be flushed out by the stake president.

not sure what you mean by something fishy going on... what i told you is what is happening... thats it, nothing more, nothing less...

That is my piece of advice (although, take it with a grain of salt, as I am not LDS.) It could be that the bishop is having his own issues with the situation that prevents him from seeing all things clearly. Or, maybe the bishop has been in the position too long and can't see the good in anything and needs to be replaced

he has only been in that position for less than 6 months now

and I, also, don't think someone should be judged by their sisters attitude and sin). Don't think people in church are immune to power.

this was my point to begin with... thats what i wanted to know.... can it be possible for someone in a situation to be judged because of family members actions? shouldnt it be their own actions that they should be held accountable for? shouldnt that be how they are seen to be "worthy" or not??

thanks again for all the input!

[Bunker]

I'm just new here today so I don't really know all the people and how they post, but Jenda seems to be good at evaluating situations the best. I would go with what she has to say here.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Jenda@Dec 31 2004, 06:47 AM

That is my piece of advice (although, take it with a grain of salt, as I am not LDS.) It could be that the bishop is having his own issues with the situation that prevents him from seeing all things clearly. Or, maybe the bishop has been in the position too long and can't see the good in anything and needs to be replaced. The point is, maybe there are things going on with the bishop that he hides or negates in his worthiness interview that should be brought to light. If no one stood up for their rights (and I, also, don't think someone should be judged by their sisters attitude and sin), the world would be run by a bunch of power-hungry people, and that even includes the church(es). Don't think people in church are immune to power.

I think you are right about that. It is a nice thing a person can come here and present their issue and have some posters respond as if what the person said was actually true. It could be that a Bishop is out of line on something like this so it is nice that people give a bit of feedback that suits the perspective of the person asking and that is why I suggested going to the Stake President.

And on the other hand if is more likely that Bishop is a good man trying hard to do the right thing. More likely isn't a certainity however. Likewise a store owner would exclude a kid from his store if the person telling him/her that the kid was a thief had more credibility than the kid and his mother. There is probably a reason why the store owner gives more credibility to the idea of thiefitude than not. How much credibility do you give to some one that believes that men live on the moon - someone who thinks that those who disagree with her are EVIL - someone who thinks that the Church commits EVIL because she mistakenly thinks that young adults can't get your endowments unless and until they go on a mission - someone who claims that she is sickened because Spencer jokes that California is earthquake prone? - and so on.

That is to say - Peace/Amillia cannot be trusted to reasonably describe reality.

Likewise I kinda wonder about Clay - Clay gets all pissy cuz she doesn't get her questions answered when and how she wants them and doesn't seem to get that joking about being a Clay Aikens fan is no more than good natured teasing.

Take you Jenda, or Biz or maybe even Cal - I disagree with ya'll bout lot's of things but I recognize that you are reasonable describers of reality, you're reasonable, you're informed, your bright therefore there is always the chance that when we disagree that ya'll are right and I am wrong

[Snow]

Aikenfan,

For the record I don't think you are whacko. That was a reference to the poster who calls your Bishop a whacko for no good reason.

My position on what little you are telling me is that you may be right and a Bishop may be in the wrong and if that is so, there are ways of addressing it - probably through the Stake Presidency. Although you MAY be right, you MAY be wrong - we have no way of knowing except that we can assess your credibility by how you interact with us. Here's a hint - stop calling yourself stupid. Nobody thinks you are stupid. Second hint - don't take what is said here too seriously.

If you want better feedback please describe the actual situation - why won't the Bishop let this other person go on a mission? What did the Bishop say? Is your information first or second hand? What alternative explanations are there?

[aikenfan]

snow, thank you for your last post.