Why Am I Not Surprized?

[Snow]

http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html...te=2005/01/20/4

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Snow@Jan 20 2005, 11:10 PM

http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html...te=2005/01/20/4

Don't they know that these stupid assertions just hurt their cause? If they focused on real issues, they would be taken more seriously.

Sheesh.

[Guest TheProudDuck]

Squidward would be proud.

[Guest curvette]

Didn't we go through this with the Teletubbies a few years back? I'm pretty sure it ruined Tinky-Winky's career.

[Jenda]

Originally posted by curvette@Jan 21 2005, 01:41 PM

Didn't we go through this with the Teletubbies a few years back? I'm pretty sure it ruined Tinky-Winky's career.

ROFLOL

[pushka]

Awwww...poor Spongebob!! I love that cartoon and can't wait for the UK release of the movie...

[Cal]

Let's see, a commie behind every bush and a gay sponge behind every reef?

[Guest TheProudDuck]

Don't sponges reproduce asexually anyway?

[Cal]

Originally posted by TheProudDuck@Jan 22 2005, 02:30 PM

Don't sponges reproduce asexually anyway?

Yeah, they do, and it's genetic.

[Faerie]

the spongebob movie rocked!!

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Cal@Jan 22 2005, 03:20 PM

Let's see, a commie behind every bush and a gay sponge behind every reef?

commies? How about terrorists? Come up to the 21st century. LOL

[Cal]

Originally posted by Amillia+Jan 25 2005, 03:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amillia @ Jan 25 2005, 03:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Cal@Jan 22 2005, 03:20 PM

Let's see, a commie behind every bush and a gay sponge behind every reef?

commies? How about terrorists? Come up to the 21st century. LOL

Try to see things in context---the idea that spongebob is a homosexual dates back to the kind of thinking that gave rize to the Joe McCarthy's era--learn from our mistakes or we are doomed to repeat them---maybe you don't know much about the early '50's in this country. That history has some powerful lessons.

[pushka]

McCarthyism was touched upon in the classic Barbra Streisand and Robert Redford movie 'The Way We Were'...also about communism at the time, and a very lovely, sad love story too...I would recommend it...ladies, bring out the Kleenex!!

[Guest TheProudDuck]

Originally posted by Cal+Jan 25 2005, 06:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cal @ Jan 25 2005, 06:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Amillia@Jan 25 2005, 03:57 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Cal@Jan 22 2005, 03:20 PM

Let's see, a commie behind every bush and a gay sponge behind every reef?

commies? How about terrorists? Come up to the 21st century. LOL

Try to see things in context---the idea that spongebob is a homosexual dates back to the kind of thinking that gave rize to the Joe McCarthy's era--learn from our mistakes or we are doomed to repeat them---maybe you don't know much about the early '50's in this country. That history has some powerful lessons.

Looks like the "Christian groups are saying SpongeBob is gay" story is a distortion. See http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=892.

As for McCarthyism, the fact that McCarthy was petty, cynical, abusive, and un-American shouldn't entirely overshadow the fact that Communists were truly active in the fever swamps of the American Left during the 30s and 40s -- and that they were a mean, dedicated, deceptive, intimidating bunch of SOBs who really did want to usher in a dictatorship of the proletariat.

Charles Lindbergh and others who were not fascists by any stretch of the imagination were nevertheless tarred --rightly -- by their getting a little too close in sympathy and friendship to the real thing. The liberal historian Arthur Schlesinger pointed out that had McCarthy gone after closet Nazis, he could have gotten away with a lot more abuse of the Constitution than he did. It's important to pick the right enemies. Communists have never gotten quite the same bad press as fascists, despite their much more impressive achievement in piling up corpses, because of a broad sense in many influential intellectual circles that their hearts were at least in the right place. Rubbish, say I. Leonard Bernstein and Paul Robeson may not have been actual Communists, but they had far more sympathy with those particular devils than any decent man should have had, just as Lindbergh did for the opposite extreme.

[Cal]

Originally posted by TheProudDuck+Jan 25 2005, 09:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheProudDuck @ Jan 25 2005, 09:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Cal@Jan 25 2005, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by -Amillia@Jan 25 2005, 03:57 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Cal@Jan 22 2005, 03:20 PM

Let's see, a commie behind every bush and a gay sponge behind every reef?

commies? How about terrorists? Come up to the 21st century. LOL

Try to see things in context---the idea that spongebob is a homosexual dates back to the kind of thinking that gave rize to the Joe McCarthy's era--learn from our mistakes or we are doomed to repeat them---maybe you don't know much about the early '50's in this country. That history has some powerful lessons.

Looks like the "Christian groups are saying SpongeBob is gay" story is a distortion. See http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=892.

As for McCarthyism, the fact that McCarthy was petty, cynical, abusive, and un-American shouldn't entirely overshadow the fact that Communists were truly active in the fever swamps of the American Left during the 30s and 40s -- and that they were a mean, dedicated, deceptive, intimidating bunch of SOBs who really did want to usher in a dictatorship of the proletariat.

Charles Lindbergh and others who were not fascists by any stretch of the imagination were nevertheless tarred --rightly -- by their getting a little too close in sympathy and friendship to the real thing. The liberal historian Arthur Schlesinger pointed out that had McCarthy gone after closet Nazis, he could have gotten away with a lot more abuse of the Constitution than he did. It's important to pick the right enemies. Communists have never gotten quite the same bad press as fascists, despite their much more impressive achievement in piling up corpses, because of a broad sense in many influential intellectual circles that their hearts were at least in the right place. Rubbish, say I. Leonard Bernstein and Paul Robeson may not have been actual Communists, but they had far more sympathy with those particular devils than any decent man should have had, just as Lindbergh did for the opposite extreme.

and that they were a mean, dedicated, deceptive, intimidating bunch of SOBs who really did want to usher in a dictatorship of the proletariat.

I don't totally disagree, however, your description of the closet communists would be my exact words to describe "commie" hunters in this country during the same time period---McCarthy, Hoover etc. Careers ruin by accusation, reputations smeared without evidence.

The real truth, as it came out 40 years later, was that the Soviets had as much reason to fear us, as we did to fear them. There were plenty of highly placed governement people who advocated "preemptive nuclear strikes" against the Soviets--and don't think the Soviets didn't know it. They turned out to be much LESS of a threat than the "commie haters" would have had us believe. There were US factions just as dedicated the destruction of communism as some of the communist leaders were to ours. The fortunate upside is that NEITHER of the hawkish factions prevailed in either country, or the world would have turned out a lot worse for it.