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Posted
Originally posted by pushka+Jan 25 2005, 08:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushka @ Jan 25 2005, 08:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Jan 25 2005, 05:48 PM

There are no-so-strong mormons always, everywhere. Where can you run?

I presume you mean not-so-strong Mormons...

Well, everywhere you go..especially if you go on a Mission, you are going to find non mormons and not so strong mormons...don't you find it interesting to listen to their questions about your beliefs, and discuss/debate them in a 'friendly' manner.

I feel it is sad that non mormons cannot quote from 'anti' lds sites without being labelled 'bashers', as sometimes the words that these sites use are more eloquent than the ones I use...and they have already done the research into the questions I have asked...

What is current policy regarding posting things from anti sites, such as the articles by Sandra Tanner?

I would bet that you quote Sandra Tanner and your will be joining me in the mod-status limbo. :lol:;)

Posted

Originally posted by Jenda@Jan 24 2005, 12:13 AM

Everyone knows the RLDS is the true church.  That is why Satan is fighting so hard against it.  :P

Next!

Hi Jenda! :)

Good to see you have the same humour "over here".

Personally, I think the CoC should be more concerned with their internal difficulties than external opposition.

Posted
Originally posted by Swart+Jan 26 2005, 03:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Swart @ Jan 26 2005, 03:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jenda@Jan 24 2005, 12:13 AM

Everyone knows the RLDS is the true church.  That is why Satan is fighting so hard against it.  :P

Next!

Hi Jenda! :)

Good to see you have the same humour "over here".

Personally, I think the CoC should be more concerned with their internal difficulties than external opposition.

What makes you think they are not the same thing? B)

Posted
Originally posted by huma17+Jan 24 2005, 01:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (huma17 @ Jan 24 2005, 01:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Strawberry Fields@Jan 24 2005, 01:45 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Strawberry Fields@Jan 21 2005, 04:18 PM

Well, who is it that you feel is "missing"?

Where did Ray go?

Wasn't it Ray A - instead of just Ray?

And does the poster that always posted with Maureen - can't remember name - hang around?

Hi Huma17!

I took a little break from Mormon stuff and have been hanging out with crazy Trekkies. I decided it was time to visit a couple days ago; I've been lurking here and there. Since I've been gone I didn't realize that this place got quiet - but I think you're right, it has slowed down.

M.

Posted
Originally posted by Amillia+Jan 25 2005, 10:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amillia @ Jan 25 2005, 10:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -pushka@Jan 25 2005, 08:42 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Jan 25 2005, 05:48 PM

There are no-so-strong mormons always, everywhere. Where can you run?

I presume you mean not-so-strong Mormons...

Well, everywhere you go..especially if you go on a Mission, you are going to find non mormons and not so strong mormons...don't you find it interesting to listen to their questions about your beliefs, and discuss/debate them in a 'friendly' manner.

I feel it is sad that non mormons cannot quote from 'anti' lds sites without being labelled 'bashers', as sometimes the words that these sites use are more eloquent than the ones I use...and they have already done the research into the questions I have asked...

What is current policy regarding posting things from anti sites, such as the articles by Sandra Tanner?

I would bet that you quote Sandra Tanner and your will be joining me in the mod-status limbo. :lol:;)

Oh dear Amilia...did you do that too? What did you think of their site by the way?

Posted
Originally posted by pushka+Jan 26 2005, 07:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pushka @ Jan 26 2005, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Amillia@Jan 25 2005, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by -pushka@Jan 25 2005, 08:42 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Jan 25 2005, 05:48 PM

There are no-so-strong mormons always, everywhere. Where can you run?

I presume you mean not-so-strong Mormons...

Well, everywhere you go..especially if you go on a Mission, you are going to find non mormons and not so strong mormons...don't you find it interesting to listen to their questions about your beliefs, and discuss/debate them in a 'friendly' manner.

I feel it is sad that non mormons cannot quote from 'anti' lds sites without being labelled 'bashers', as sometimes the words that these sites use are more eloquent than the ones I use...and they have already done the research into the questions I have asked...

What is current policy regarding posting things from anti sites, such as the articles by Sandra Tanner?

I would bet that you quote Sandra Tanner and your will be joining me in the mod-status limbo. :lol:;)

Oh dear Amilia...did you do that too? What did you think of their site by the way?

I haven't been there for a year or so, but I remember feeling like they were trying to sound all detached and everything, like it wasn't because they were doing it for vengence, but it really did seam over the top to me. I also found some errors and they just danced around them.

Posted

Hmm...I wouldn't mind exploring the issues you had with that site in more depth, since I found it an interesting site and tended to side with their opinions...perhaps you would like to explore the site in general with me and talk about it privately? Tell me of the things you thought were over the top and the errors you believe you found which they 'danced' around?

Posted

Originally posted by pushka@Jan 27 2005, 09:26 AM

Hmm...I wouldn't mind exploring the issues you had with that site in more depth, since I found it an interesting site and tended to side with their opinions...perhaps you would like to explore the site in general with me and talk about it privately? Tell me of the things you thought were over the top and the errors you believe you found which they 'danced' around?

It has been over a year ago, so I would have to start over, because all I have left in my memory is my impressions and distaste for the fashion in which they handled any rebuttles. I will say this, they do have a spirit of convincing. There works are based upon actual happenings and journals of disgruntled saints, but their understanding is darkened and their agenda is totally about destroying the faith the members have.

Now if it were all about truth and light and discovery of a higher way, I could see their dedication at tearing down the church through the mistakes of those who went before us. But it doesn't give a higher way, it is only about digging up the dirt on a specific organization.

When in history have there not been errors made by great men and women? And when did we throw away the constitution or our country's freedoms because of the mistakes made by them.

In the world we tend to over look the bad that good men did, and enjoy the good that came from their beneficial works. When you read the site by the Tanners, all you get is a wallowing in the dirt and this is supposed to invalidate all the good.

These weaknesses of men are ever present. The apostles of Christ showed these weaknesses continually.

Okay, I will stop with the defence and just state that after all the dust is settled, the thing which is most important to have and hold sacred and dear is the Spirit of Christ.

The teachings held within the BofM on this point alone is priceless. The BofM is the most complete instruction manual, and correct manual for telling us how to come to Christ, surrender to Him and reap the most precious gift given to man on earth; the pure love of Christ, charity.

Charity is the power to endure (Moroni 7:47-48) and what is more necessary in today's world than the power to endure? Charity is more than this, as taught by the BofM, it is the power of the atonement, the power to become like Christ and it is only gained through praying to be filled with it after you have fully become submissive as a child, as taught in Mosiah.

You won't find the total and complete instructions for this process anywhere else in the religious world.

Joseph Smith the man and prophet was the instrument through which God gave us this marvelous work and wonder. But some can only see the weaknesses and throw away everything good and great.

I have done many things that are good. But quite often I am totally rejected because I was arrested once for disorderly conduct. The public record on this matter is totally wrong. The man who arrested me and wrote the false report, only did so to cover up his own wrong doing.

Will future generation come upon these documents and invalidate all the good I did because of it?

I see many of the things the Tanners have done as doing just that to JS and the church.

Posted

Originally posted by Maureen@Jan 26 2005, 07:07 PM

Hi Huma17!

I took a little break from Mormon stuff and have been hanging out with crazy Trekkies. I decided it was time to visit a couple days ago; I've been lurking here and there. Since I've been gone I didn't realize that this place got quiet - but I think you're right, it has slowed down.

M.

When I came back here, I saw that you were on, so I assumed that you hadn't left. At least I'm not the only one who did.

I just remember quite a few posters on whenever I logged on - not now.

Who was the poster who usually posted with you?

Ray is gone too, but I think he posts over at FAIR - even though I haven't seen him for awhile over there too.

Posted

Originally posted by Jenda@Jan 27 2005, 03:19 PM

Ray is taking a break from the boards for now. He told me he doesn't feel led to post anymore, that his ministry lies elsewhere.

That's good to know. Does he plan to post again?
Posted

Originally posted by Jenda@Jan 27 2005, 03:19 PM

Ray is taking a break from the boards for now. He told me he doesn't feel led to post anymore, that his ministry lies elsewhere.

That's too bad.

Jenda, did you contact him?

Posted

Originally posted by huma17@Jan 27 2005, 02:17 PM

...Who was the poster who usually posted with you?...

I don't know - I thought I usually posted by myself, :huh: (but I think I know what you mean).

M.

Posted
Originally posted by Maureen+Jan 27 2005, 06:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maureen @ Jan 27 2005, 06:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--huma17@Jan 27 2005, 02:17 PM

...Who was the poster who usually posted with you?...

I don't know - I thought I usually posted by myself, :huh: (but I think I know what you mean).

M.

Too Funny! :lol:

Posted
Originally posted by Strawberry Fields+Jan 27 2005, 04:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Strawberry Fields @ Jan 27 2005, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jenda@Jan 27 2005, 03:19 PM

Ray is taking a break from the boards for now.  He told me he doesn't feel led to post anymore, that his ministry lies elsewhere.

That's too bad.

Jenda, did you contact him?

We were chatting just before he made his decision and he told me. I kinda miss him, too. :(

Posted
Originally posted by ExMormon-Jason+Jan 27 2005, 04:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ExMormon-Jason @ Jan 27 2005, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--StrawberryFields

Well who is it that you feel is "missing"?

Could it be.....Me? ;)

YES!!! ;)

Posted

Originally posted by Jenifer@Jan 27 2005, 10:04 PM

Where is bat these days? We miss him.

AHHHH........YES! That's him - BAT!!!

Maureen, this is who I was refering to. I was meaning that you two usually were on the same track when it came to your posts, and that you two usually posted in the same threads.

Posted
Originally posted by Amillia+Jan 27 2005, 08:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amillia @ Jan 27 2005, 08:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--pushka@Jan 27 2005, 09:26 AM

Hmm...I wouldn't mind exploring the issues you had with that site in more depth, since I found it an interesting site and tended to side with their opinions...perhaps you would like to explore the site in general with me and talk about it privately?  Tell me of the things you thought were over the top and the errors you believe you found which they 'danced' around?

It has been over a year ago, so I would have to start over, because all I have left in my memory is my impressions and distaste for the fashion in which they handled any rebuttles. I will say this, they do have a spirit of convincing. There works are based upon actual happenings and journals of disgruntled saints, but their understanding is darkened and their agenda is totally about destroying the faith the members have.

Now if it were all about truth and light and discovery of a higher way, I could see their dedication at tearing down the church through the mistakes of those who went before us. But it doesn't give a higher way, it is only about digging up the dirt on a specific organization.

When in history have there not been errors made by great men and women? And when did we throw away the constitution or our country's freedoms because of the mistakes made by them.

In the world we tend to over look the bad that good men did, and enjoy the good that came from their beneficial works. When you read the site by the Tanners, all you get is a wallowing in the dirt and this is supposed to invalidate all the good.

These weaknesses of men are ever present. The apostles of Christ showed these weaknesses continually.

Okay, I will stop with the defence and just state that after all the dust is settled, the thing which is most important to have and hold sacred and dear is the Spirit of Christ.

The teachings held within the BofM on this point alone is priceless. The BofM is the most complete instruction manual, and correct manual for telling us how to come to Christ, surrender to Him and reap the most precious gift given to man on earth; the pure love of Christ, charity.

Charity is the power to endure (Moroni 7:47-48) and what is more necessary in today's world than the power to endure? Charity is more than this, as taught by the BofM, it is the power of the atonement, the power to become like Christ and it is only gained through praying to be filled with it after you have fully become submissive as a child, as taught in Mosiah.

You won't find the total and complete instructions for this process anywhere else in the religious world.

Joseph Smith the man and prophet was the instrument through which God gave us this marvelous work and wonder. But some can only see the weaknesses and throw away everything good and great.

I have done many things that are good. But quite often I am totally rejected because I was arrested once for disorderly conduct. The public record on this matter is totally wrong. The man who arrested me and wrote the false report, only did so to cover up his own wrong doing.

Will future generation come upon these documents and invalidate all the good I did because of it?

I see many of the things the Tanners have done as doing just that to JS and the church.

Thanks Amillia...

I appreciate your point of view regarding the Tanners' site. I note that they are Christian, ex-mormons...perhaps they are 'tearing down' the LDS church because they feel that it let them down and they wish to enlighten others, or support others who feel the same way as they do...and wish them to explore other spiritual doctrines.

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