Ray Posted February 1, 2005 Report Posted February 1, 2005 I’ve noticed many people who like to talk about all sorts of issues pertaining to the gospel of Jesus Christ while neglecting the most fundamental principles, particularly the principles of Faith and Repentance. Do you suppose this is because many people think that everyone else already understands these principles, or do you suppose this is because many people think it’s more interesting to discuss other issues with others? Or perhaps you can think of some other reasons why these principles are largely ignored by many? I submit the idea that many people have trouble understanding these principles, that there is nothing more important to discuss in all the world, and that every other issue can be settled and completely resolved by applying these fundamental principles. Can everyone give me an Amen on that? To have faith is to have an assurance or be sure about something, and to have faith from God provides God’s perspective on the issue on which God has given His assurance. It is said that we learn line upon line and precept upon precept because God usually reveals how He feels and what He thinks about different issues a little at a time. The fact that Jesus Christ wants us to come to Him and learn of Him suggests that there must be something to the process of obtaining information from Him in that way, otherwise He would find it more beneficial to give us His perspective on everything all at once. The principle of Repentance comes secondary because once a person has been assured by God that something is true, they are then accountable for conforming their lives according to that knowledge. With each new assurance from God the process then continues until a person becomes completely aware of everything that God thinks and feels, while still being accountable for how they conform to that knowledge. Anyway, I just wanted to be able to say I declared repentance to the whole Earth. Whether or not anyone pays attention to me is another matter, but at least I planted the seed, and I now leave you with my testimony that these things are true. Thanks to everyone for reading. :) Quote
mark44 Posted February 1, 2005 Report Posted February 1, 2005 i hope that makes you feel better. Quote
Jenda Posted February 1, 2005 Report Posted February 1, 2005 Can everyone give me an Amen on that?AMEN! Quote
Amillia Posted February 1, 2005 Report Posted February 1, 2005 Originally posted by Ray@Jan 31 2005, 06:33 PM I’ve noticed many people who like to talk about all sorts of issues pertaining to the gospel of Jesus Christ while neglecting the most fundamental principles, particularly the principles of Faith and Repentance. Do you suppose this is because many people think that everyone else already understands these principles, or do you suppose this is because many people think it’s more interesting to discuss other issues with others? Or perhaps you can think of some other reasons why these principles are largely ignored by many?I submit the idea that many people have trouble understanding these principles, that there is nothing more important to discuss in all the world, and that every other issue can be settled and completely resolved by applying these fundamental principles.Can everyone give me an Amen on that?To have faith is to have an assurance or be sure about something, and to have faith from God provides God’s perspective on the issue on which God has given His assurance. It is said that we learn line upon line and precept upon precept because God usually reveals how He feels and what He thinks about different issues a little at a time.The fact that Jesus Christ wants us to come to Him and learn of Him suggests that there must be something to the process of obtaining information from Him in that way, otherwise He would find it more beneficial to give us His perspective on everything all at once.The principle of Repentance comes secondary because once a person has been assured by God that something is true, they are then accountable for conforming their lives according to that knowledge. With each new assurance from God the process then continues until a person becomes completely aware of everything that God thinks and feels, while still being accountable for how they conform to that knowledge.Anyway, I just wanted to be able to say I declared repentance to the whole Earth. Whether or not anyone pays attention to me is another matter, but at least I planted the seed, and I now leave you with my testimony that these things are true.Thanks to everyone for reading. :) Thanks Ray! :) Quote
Traveler Posted February 1, 2005 Report Posted February 1, 2005 Anyone can say they have faith. To me having faith is being faithful. To me repentance is a change of heart and mind. When one makes the claim that they have changed their heart and mind to coincide with G-d I believe that there are obvious behaviors that will validate their faith and repentance. Jesus said, by their fruits you shall know them. I am most impressed in those that offer themselves as an example of the great transformation that faith and repentance can have on a fallen soul. I believe that those that seek and find true faith in G-d and alter their lives by divine repentance become like G-d. I believe that with true faith in G-d and divine repentance it is impossible to become like any other thing except G-d. The Traveler Quote
Ray Posted February 1, 2005 Author Report Posted February 1, 2005 Amen, Traveler. Faith without [good] works is dead [or lifeless], and Jesus Christ offered Himself so that we might have life in more abundance [or wealth]. He who has eternal life is rich. Quote
Guest curvette Posted February 1, 2005 Report Posted February 1, 2005 Originally posted by Ray@Jan 31 2005, 05:33 PM Anyway, I just wanted to be able to say I declared repentance to the whole Earth. Whether or not anyone pays attention to me is another matter, but at least I planted the seed, and I now leave you with my testimony that these things are true. Are you dying Ray? (This is a sincere question--I'm not joking.) Quote
Amillia Posted February 1, 2005 Report Posted February 1, 2005 Originally posted by curvette+Feb 1 2005, 02:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Feb 1 2005, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Jan 31 2005, 05:33 PM Anyway, I just wanted to be able to say I declared repentance to the whole Earth. Whether or not anyone pays attention to me is another matter, but at least I planted the seed, and I now leave you with my testimony that these things are true. Are you dying Ray? (This is a sincere question--I'm not joking.) Hope not. Quote
Traveler Posted February 1, 2005 Report Posted February 1, 2005 Originally posted by curvette+Feb 1 2005, 01:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Feb 1 2005, 01:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Jan 31 2005, 05:33 PM Anyway, I just wanted to be able to say I declared repentance to the whole Earth. Whether or not anyone pays attention to me is another matter, but at least I planted the seed, and I now leave you with my testimony that these things are true. Are you dying Ray? (This is a sincere question--I'm not joking.) Of course he is – we all are but some of us are more stubborn and will take a little longer but we are all dying.The Traveler Quote
Ray Posted February 1, 2005 Author Report Posted February 1, 2005 Originally posted by Traveler+Feb 1 2005, 03:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Traveler @ Feb 1 2005, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -curvette@Feb 1 2005, 01:19 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Jan 31 2005, 05:33 PM Anyway, I just wanted to be able to say I declared repentance to the whole Earth. Whether or not anyone pays attention to me is another matter, but at least I planted the seed, and I now leave you with my testimony that these things are true. Are you dying Ray? (This is a sincere question--I'm not joking.) Of course he is – we all are but some of us are more stubborn and will take a little longer but we are all dying.The Traveler And not only that, but the me of now is constantly dying while a new me is being born every day, or rather every moment. Being born again isn’t just a one-time thing, you know, and enduring to the end doesn’t mean that you should try to remain exactly the way you’ve been.And btw, I reply to people who ask me how I am or how I’ve been by saying, “Getting better.”, which is as good an answer as I truly know how to give.So how have you been, curvette? Quote
Guest curvette Posted February 1, 2005 Report Posted February 1, 2005 Originally posted by Ray@Feb 1 2005, 04:29 PM So how have you been, curvette? As cranky as ever! But, it's starting to feel closer to Spring, so that will pass. :) (Nice to hear from you...) Quote
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