Guest bat Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Feb 10 2004, 09:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Feb 10 2004, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Cal@Feb 10 2004, 05:50 PM Actually, homosexuality is widespread in the animal kingdom. My personal favorite argument.Hey, a monkey eats his own feces so you know it has to be natural. Good thinking! Have you met many homosexuals that have stated that they were not born homosexual? Or are you just being argumentative as usual?
Paul Osborne Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Feb 10 2004, 09:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Feb 10 2004, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Cal@Feb 10 2004, 05:50 PM Actually, homosexuality is widespread in the animal kingdom. My personal favorite argument.Hey, a monkey eats his own feces so you know it has to be natural. Good thinking! Gross!! Paul O
Cal Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 Paul--you respond as if my response was not appropriate. If you will recall YOU made the assertion that YOUR God was my father. I simply disagreed. As far as I am concerned, my God can't be BIGGER than your God, because your doesn't even exist, for me at least. The two cannot coexist because they have entirely different characteristics.
Guest bat Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 Gosh, maybe neither of your gods exist. I'll just have to have faith that only my god exists, and your gods don't. That makes it true. Faith kicks ######, doesn't it?
Paul Osborne Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 Bat, You hit the nail on the head. It’s all about faith. It’s all about testimony and who thinks they know what about what. I’m so sure about what I am doing with Mormonism and the manifestations given me that I am going to stick it out until my last breath even if they find a letter written by Joseph Smith saying he faked everything. I can’t wait to be vindicated for having followed the right God. That will be soooo sweet. Cal, soon I’ll be dead and you too. We aren't getting any younger. Paul O
USNationalist Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 <<Have you ever considered that you might be wrong? Why would a god "pervert" a human on purpose, but then "test" him to see if he'll obey him? That seems mean and nasty to me. It doesn't make any sense.>> .....how can you expect someone to make the right choice when there isnt a wrong one?
Guest Starsky Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 You must know there is more than one way to perceive things US. Some see a glass half full, another will see half empty....some will see chinzty provider, others will see good provider,... It is all a matter of perspective.
Cal Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Feb 10 2004, 09:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Feb 10 2004, 09:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Cal@Feb 10 2004, 05:50 PM Actually, homosexuality is widespread in the animal kingdom. My personal favorite argument.Hey, a monkey eats his own feces so you know it has to be natural. Good thinking! Snow--my point was that homosexuality does not necessarly lead to extinction since it exists in species that have been around in their present form, longer than we have. Try to stick to the issues.
Cal Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 Originally posted by bat@Feb 10 2004, 10:05 PM Gosh, maybe neither of your gods exist. I'll just have to have faith that only my god exists, and your gods don't. That makes it true. Faith kicks ######, doesn't it? Bat,Exactly!
Snow Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Feb 11 2004, 05:56 PM Snow--my point was that homosexuality does not necessarly lead to extinction since it exists in species that have been around in their present form, longer than we have. Try to stick to the issues. I know what your point is but the argument still is made my others.
Guest bat Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 Originally posted by Cal+Feb 11 2004, 05:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cal @ Feb 11 2004, 05:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--bat@Feb 10 2004, 10:05 PM Gosh, maybe neither of your gods exist. I'll just have to have faith that only my god exists, and your gods don't. That makes it true. Faith kicks ######, doesn't it? Bat,Exactly! That also means that whatever I say that my god says, is true and that I should try to force people to believe what my god says.My god says that homosexuality is normal. See? It's true. I have spoken, the thinking has been done. We will now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
Cal Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 Paul---you said: I am going to stick it out until my last breath even if they find a letter written by Joseph Smith saying he faked everything. Do you actually think about what you are saying? Where did you get your faith from in the first place? Didn't it start with the story of JS? It's sort of like saying, even if the tires fall off my car, I'm going to keep on driving down the freeway anyway. Wouldn't it be more logical to get a better car?
Guest bat Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 There are no other cars. Only Paul's car. B)
Guest antishock82003 Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Feb 11 2004, 07:25 PM Cal,Can homosexuals reproduce? Duh....of course they can. All they have to do is have sex with the opposite sex silly.
Paul Osborne Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Feb 11 2004, 06:03 PM Paul---you said: I am going to stick it out until my last breath even if they find a letter written by Joseph Smith saying he faked everything.Do you actually think about what you are saying? Where did you get your faith from in the first place? Didn't it start with the story of JS? It's sort of like saying, even if the tires fall off my car, I'm going to keep on driving down the freeway anyway. Wouldn't it be more logical to get a better car? Cal,Those warm loving feelings of the Mormon Holy Ghost are worth more than anything else I can imagine. Since the Holy Ghost told me it's true, it has to be true regardless of any evidence that might suggest otherwise. Besides, you wouldn't want to ruin my wonderful little fantasy; would you. Paul O
Paul Osborne Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 Originally posted by bat@Feb 11 2004, 06:06 PM There are no other cars. Only Paul's car. B) That's right, Bat. And, I'm not going to drive any other car but mine. Paul O
Paul Osborne Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 Originally posted by antishock82003+Feb 11 2004, 07:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (antishock82003 @ Feb 11 2004, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Tr2@Feb 11 2004, 07:25 PM Cal,Can homosexuals reproduce? Duh....of course they can. All they have to do is have sex with the opposite sex silly. Why would they want to do that? Wouldn't they get grossed out? Paul O
Cal Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Feb 11 2004, 07:25 PM Cal,Can homosexuals reproduce? TR2--who cares? They make up such a small percent of the population in almost any group (5 to 10% in humans) that it has little impact on survival of the species.Of course, it is POSSIBLE, they just don't seem to enjoy the method the rest of us use. On another point, it is evident that homosexuals can be nurturing and loving parents (or caretakers) and there is no surplus of those in the world.
Cal Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne+Feb 11 2004, 07:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Paul Osborne @ Feb 11 2004, 07:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Cal@Feb 11 2004, 06:03 PM Paul---you said: I am going to stick it out until my last breath even if they find a letter written by Joseph Smith saying he faked everything.Do you actually think about what you are saying? Where did you get your faith from in the first place? Didn't it start with the story of JS? It's sort of like saying, even if the tires fall off my car, I'm going to keep on driving down the freeway anyway. Wouldn't it be more logical to get a better car? Cal,Those warm loving feelings of the Mormon Holy Ghost are worth more than anything else I can imagine. Since the Holy Ghost told me it's true, it has to be true regardless of any evidence that might suggest otherwise. Besides, you wouldn't want to ruin my wonderful little fantasy; would you. Paul O Paul--that's sort of like what a drug addict says about his addiction: "But,it feels SOOO GOOOD! You don't want to take away my little pills just because REASON says so!"Actually, Paul, if it makes you feel that good, and isn't doing you any harm (which is for you to say, not me) then by all means, carry on! I don't think anyone (at leas not me) is hear to tell you what to believe---we like to argue it and debate it, but in the end, it's really up to each to reach his own conclusions.
Paul Osborne Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 Thank you Cal. Your're a real pal. <snort--sniff> aaaahhh. Paul O
Guest antishock82003 Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne+Feb 11 2004, 07:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Paul Osborne @ Feb 11 2004, 07:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -antishock82003@Feb 11 2004, 07:32 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Tr2@Feb 11 2004, 07:25 PM Cal,Can homosexuals reproduce? Duh....of course they can. All they have to do is have sex with the opposite sex silly. Why would they want to do that? Wouldn't they get grossed out? Paul O I don't know. How would you explain that homosexuals have been around since ancient times. It's either a natural behavior inherent to our species, or they're passing on their homo-genes through reproduction. I tend to think that it just comes naturally to a certain percentage of humans.
Tr2 Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 TR2--who cares? They make up such a small percent of the population in almost any group (5 to 10% in humans) that it has little impact on survival of the species.Of course, it is POSSIBLE, they just don't seem to enjoy the method the rest of us use. On another point, it is evident that homosexuals can be nurturing and loving parents (or caretakers) and there is no surplus of those in the world. So in other words you have no other debate other than that it is on a small scale? I said homosexuality leads to extinction, I never said it will cause it. How far it leads to extinction is not very far, I agree, but this point is not debatable.So have we determined that homosexuals cannot reproduce, thus cannot further the species, thus goes against the principles of evolution (which is nothing more than a species making itself stronger). Therefore it is NOT natural.Homosexuality doesn't fit into evolution and it doesn't fit into the bible. Where does it fit in?
Guest antishock82003 Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Feb 13 2004, 06:46 AM TR2--who cares? They make up such a small percent of the population in almost any group (5 to 10% in humans) that it has little impact on survival of the species.Of course, it is POSSIBLE, they just don't seem to enjoy the method the rest of us use. On another point, it is evident that homosexuals can be nurturing and loving parents (or caretakers) and there is no surplus of those in the world. So in other words you have no other debate other than that it is on a small scale? I said homosexuality leads to extinction, I never said it will cause it. How far it leads to extinction is not very far, I agree, but this point is not debatable.So have we determined that homosexuals cannot reproduce, thus cannot further the species, thus goes against the principles of evolution (which is nothing more than a species making itself stronger). Therefore it is NOT natural.Homosexuality doesn't fit into evolution and it doesn't fit into the bible. Where does it fit in? Homosexuals can reproduce. You're awfully obtuse for an officer, Sir.
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