AFDaw Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne@Feb 7 2004, 07:39 PM God is not mean but he is TOUGH! Why do you think a man would want to do it to another man?Paul O No doubt!I have no clue. I can't even begin to understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Osborne Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by AFDaw+Feb 7 2004, 07:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AFDaw @ Feb 7 2004, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Paul Osborne@Feb 7 2004, 07:39 PM God is not mean but he is TOUGH! Why do you think a man would want to do it to another man?Paul O No doubt!I have no clue. I can't even begin to understand it. AFDaw,Well, try and put yourself in the shoes of a gay man. Would you want to perform a sexual act with a gay man? Would it exhilarate and satisfy your sexual desires? Would it be something you would want to do frequently? Would a womens nude body turn you off?I agree with you that you do not understand it. This is where you need an education. Where are you Antishock? Let's talk about this.Paul O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenda Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by lindy9556@Feb 7 2004, 07:15 PM Okay Paul, so you are saying that Men are TRAPPED into the gay thing and Women CHOOSE it?GRRRRRRRRI am not even going to say what I wanted to say....... I know two women who are lesbians, and it was a choice for both of them. Out of the gay men I know (or have known) all but one came to it "naturally". The one that didn't was raped by a man when he was a teenager, and that changed his orientation. (This is by his own admission. He was attracted to girls before it happened, and desperately wanted to be attracted to women later in life (because being gay was standing in the way of being priesthood.)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Osborne Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Jenda, May I submit to you that the reason your two Lesbian friends chose to be Lesbians is because they are Lesbians. You are what you eat and you eat what you are. The boy who was a teenager was in a sensitive time in his life when sexuality is beginning to develop-- faster for some boys and slower for others. Rape, incest, and other forms of abuse can indeed play havoc on a young boys sexual desires and confuse their orientation. Girls that are raped often never recover and are scared for life, hence they too have screwed up orientation and confusion, consequently their future husband shares in the aftermath-- guilt. Paul O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Osborne Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Lindy, Curiosity is killing the cat. What was it you were going to say when you went, "GRRRR"? Paul O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antishock82003 Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Why do you think those two males penguins hatched an egg, raised the baby penguin, rejected female pendguins, and professed their affections to each other? Was it nature, or did something change them into homosexual penguins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenda Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne@Feb 7 2004, 07:59 PM Jenda,May I submit to you that the reason your two Lesbian friends chose to be Lesbians is because they are Lesbians. You are what you eat and you eat what you are.Paul O Actually, Paul, I know that both of them were choices. One is my niece, and she is an identical twin. Her twin sister is straight, and she is lesbian. The other is my ex-sister-in-law, and she chose to be a lesbian after she was raped and physically assaulted by her then-boyfriend.Both choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Osborne Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Jenda, Thanks for sharing your family situation and experience. I have read that reports show identical twins have a high risk of one of them being gay. It’s a strange phenomena to say the least. I wonder what the universal ratio is between woman who “choose” to be Lesbian as apposed to woman who choose to be Lesbian because they are Lesbian without ever having been sexually abused? I’ll bet one could really get some hot answers in a gay parade march! Perhaps some online gay message boards provide answers. How about popping in on one of those and asking around? Paul O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenda Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne@Feb 7 2004, 08:22 PM Jenda,Thanks for sharing your family situation and experience. I have read that reports show identical twins have a high risk of one of them being gay. It’s a strange phenomena to say the least. Paul O So, Paul, are you stating in the "nature vs. nurture" question, that one can be naturally gay from nurture alone? Because if it isn't genetic, then it has to be nurture (environment). That, alone, in your opinion, can make one naturally gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Osborne Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Jenda Sexuality is a complex emotion; wouldn’t you agree? I honestly believe that the vast majority of practicing homosexuals are doing so because that is their natural disposition and is directly linked to genetics. Also, I think the testimonials from gay people are worth more than the opinions of straight people who are studying them from a viewpoint they can hardly understand. I don’t know all the answers. I just know that gay men like to have sexual relations with gay men. Why is that? Straight people are predisposed to think that any normal healthy man would prefer to have sex with a beautiful woman and be repulsed by the idea of sucking a man’s $&^#$. Paul O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Osborne Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 You're being awfully quiet, Antishock. Hmmm. Paul O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behunin Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by AFDaw@Feb 7 2004, 07:30 PM It's my belief that God does not make one homosexual. As for the animal kingdom, I don't think they necessarily work under the same laws as Humans. Flame away. Very good! I think those penguins have just been in NYC too long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFDaw Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne@Feb 7 2004, 07:47 PM Well, try and put yourself in the shoes of a gay man. Would you want to perform a sexual act with a gay man? Would it exhilarate and satisfy your sexual desires? Would it be something you would want to do frequently? Would a womens nude body turn you off?Paul O What? I have NO clue!!!! Hey, imagine yourself pregnant. Would your feet hurt? What about your back? Would you have morning sickness or would crackers do the trick? Do you think you'll have a hard time getting up and going to pee 1000 times at night?I can not even being to imagine the questions your asking me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest curvette Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 AS: I think we should send those penguins to BYU where they can receive shock therapy to reorient themselves to 'normal" penguin sexual behavior. They will be shown pornographic gay penguin movies and receive shocks when they become aroused. This will make homosexual penguin behavior repulsive to them and then maybe they'll start looking twice when a she penguin shakes her tail feathers at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindy Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by curvette@Feb 7 2004, 10:57 PM AS: I think we should send those penguins to BYU where they can receive shock therapy to reorient themselves to 'normal" penguin sexual behavior. They will be shown pornographic gay penguin movies and receive shocks when they become aroused. This will make homosexual penguin behavior repulsive to them and then maybe they'll start looking twice when a she penguin shakes her tail feathers at them. ROFL Paul~GRRRRRR was my way of saying.....I am just so sick of excuses why guys can get away with so much crap. "It's a natural urge" "It's just a stage" "It's NORMAL" OMG ..........delete......delete.......delete. Give me an oversexed straight guy....PLEASE!I know that there are those who have friends and families who choose to be gay, out of respect for their feelings I don't want to say much more.There are some "straight" people who freak me out too...so I'm not really a one sided bigot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNationalist Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 why would gay animals proove that gay is ok? Its no doubt some people have homo urges and some dont. We all have our different demons. The very nature of humanity is headonism. The hole point of being christian is seperateing ourselves for the flesh and living life by the spirit. If spiritual living was what was natural for us there wouldnt be sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antishock82003 Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by USNationalist@Feb 8 2004, 01:14 AM why would gay animals proove that gay is ok? Its no doubt some people have homo urges and some dont. We all have our different demons. The very nature of humanity is headonism. The hole point of being christian is seperateing ourselves for the flesh and living life by the spirit. If spiritual living was what was natural for us there wouldnt be sin. But if your god CREATED homosexual penguins isn't that an indicator that homosexuality isn't really a big deal to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Osborne Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by AFDaw+Feb 7 2004, 10:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AFDaw @ Feb 7 2004, 10:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Paul Osborne@Feb 7 2004, 07:47 PM Well, try and put yourself in the shoes of a gay man. Would you want to perform a sexual act with a gay man? Would it exhilarate and satisfy your sexual desires? Would it be something you would want to do frequently? Would a womens nude body turn you off?Paul O What? I have NO clue!!!! Hey, imagine yourself pregnant. Would your feet hurt? What about your back? Would you have morning sickness or would crackers do the trick? Do you think you'll have a hard time getting up and going to pee 1000 times at night?I can not even being to imagine the questions your asking me. Good one!Paul O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Osborne Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by curvette@Feb 7 2004, 10:57 PM AS: I think we should send those penguins to BYU where they can receive shock therapy to reorient themselves to 'normal" penguin sexual behavior. They will be shown pornographic gay penguin movies and receive shocks when they become aroused. This will make homosexual penguin behavior repulsive to them and then maybe they'll start looking twice when a she penguin shakes her tail feathers at them. Those poor educated fools at BYU just didn't understand what they were up against. It's funny to look back and see how people can be so dumb. Paul o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Osborne Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Antishock, You make a good point. God is not concerned with having some homosexual penguins who belong to the animal kingdom. We are however concerned about the children of God who are made in his image, descendents of Adam and Eve who have been given the gospel law and the plan of happiness. USNationalist was correct in saying that everyone has their demons but every one must learn how to slay them as did David with his slingshot-- gaining the victory over the beast-- becoming spiritual, keeping the commandments, and overcoming the world. Paul O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Starsky Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by curvette@Feb 7 2004, 10:57 PM AS: I think we should send those penguins to BYU where they can receive shock therapy to reorient themselves to 'normal" penguin sexual behavior. They will be shown pornographic gay penguin movies and receive shocks when they become aroused. This will make homosexual penguin behavior repulsive to them and then maybe they'll start looking twice when a she penguin shakes her tail feathers at them. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Starsky Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by curvette@Feb 7 2004, 10:57 PMAS: I think we should send those penguins to BYU where they can receive shock therapy to reorient themselves to 'normal" penguin sexual behavior. They will be shown pornographic gay penguin movies and receive shocks when they become aroused. This will make homosexual penguin behavior repulsive to them and then maybe they'll start looking twice when a she penguin shakes her tail feathers at them.LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenda Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne@Feb 8 2004, 09:37 AM Antishock,You make a good point. God is not concerned with having some homosexual penguins who belong to the animal kingdom. We are however concerned about the children of God who are made in his image, descendents of Adam and Eve who have been given the gospel law and the plan of happiness. USNationalist was correct in saying that everyone has their demons but every one must learn how to slay them as did David with his slingshot-- gaining the victory over the beast-- becoming spiritual, keeping the commandments, and overcoming the world. Paul O I agree, Paul.God has asked us to sacrifice everything that stands in the way of Zion returning so that His will can come to pass. The key word is "sacrifice". What is part of your life that keeps you "of the world" that is keeping you from being actively engaged in kingdom building tasks? (That is a question for everyone, not just homosexuals, but is indicative of why we are no closer to Zion then we were in Joseph Smith's time.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Osborne Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Jenda, Your mentioning of a “sacrifice” is the key in which an LDS person who has same sex attraction must learn to accept. God has given each of us special trials and all of us must make sacrifices of some sort of another throughout our lives. It is no different for those who have same sex attraction-- they must resist these urges and seek to live as normal a life as possible-- one step at a time. Paul O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Osborne Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 The agenda of former LDS members or those who have lost the Spirit and have given into their same sex attraction is to try and convince the rest of the LDS members that their desires are pure and acceptable before God. They want us to accept their condition and allow them to practice it at will. They want us to think it is not sin because God made them that way but sadly they overlook the reason in which God gave them these conditions, which is to test them. Those who have same sex attraction should not be ashamed. There is nothing immoral or unholy about those who suffer this condition (temptation too) because even Christ was tempted in all points and man must go through the fire of affliction in order to win the prize. I want to see our gay LDS members stop what they are doing and turn their lives around. They cannot be saved in their sins but they can be saved from their sins. Living a homosexual life is not normal but resisting a homosexual life is commendable and I think those who do will be rewarded 100 fold. Paul O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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