StrawberryFields Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 This is so troubling.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7259823/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNationalist Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 What bugs me the most is the lefties are going to blame guns for all this. But lets not forget the pearl missisipi school shooting of 1997. In which the vice principle went to his truck, got his gun and pinned down the the shooter until police were able to arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBASS Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Originally posted by USNationalist@Mar 23 2005, 12:37 AM What bugs me the most is the lefties are going to blame guns for all this. EXACTLY....another Michael Moore documentary in the making. People never want to blame the fact that the kid was disturbed. Its always the guns fault! Children need more supervision. Its just like the columbine kids who were building bombs in their garage, I think my parents would know if I was building bombs or looking up nazi stuff on the net at their house! Still such a tragedy for those lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanstress70 Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 What bugs me is that I barely even heard mention of it on the news. It was literally a four-second blurb right in between all the Terri Schiavo case. I think this case is horrible and I'm interested in the outcome, but this seems to be a bit more newsworthy. Could it be because the school is on an Indian reservation? I guarantee you that if it was a high school in Beverly Hills and a lot of white kids were shot, it would have surpassed even the Schiavo story! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBASS Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 I think you may have a point about the indian reservation! People overlook them a lot. They did manage to mention that those Indians dont get casino earnings liek other reservations and that is why they are in poverty! The media always has a way of making people look bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNationalist Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Forget the indians. If they think they are soverign then they should be treated as such. LEts ignore them and just use them for the fun of their casinos- they will get by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Originally posted by USNationalist@Mar 24 2005, 05:37 PM Forget the indians. If they think they are soverign then they should be treated as such. LEts ignore them and just use them for the fun of their casinos- they will get by. Just casinos?Here in Utah they have got into the Nuclear Waste storage business.http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_081191726.htmlApparantly it is much more profitable to store Nuclear Waste on your reservation than to build a casino...but then in Utah, what choice do you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Originally posted by USNationalist@Mar 22 2005, 09:37 PM What bugs me the most is the lefties are going to blame guns for all this. What bugs me is that all the conservatives are going to blame satan and/or rock bands for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pushka Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 I live in the UK and we don't have as much access to guns as you do in the States...we still have the occasional shooting incident as you seem to witness so often...tragic no matter how many times it occurs...I feel that having more access to guns in general can't help but make it easier for these events to occur. I do believe the parents of the teens involved should be more careful about how they store such weapons, and also should be more aware of their teens' political persuasions, such as supporting Neo-Nazi groups, if they are able to find out this information...It is a very frightening thought that so many young people are still easily taken in by these groups and their beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheProudDuck Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Originally posted by Taoist_Saint+Mar 24 2005, 05:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Taoist_Saint @ Mar 24 2005, 05:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--USNationalist@Mar 22 2005, 09:37 PM What bugs me the most is the lefties are going to blame guns for all this. What bugs me is that all the conservatives are going to blame satan and/or rock bands for this. I am a proud conservative as well as a proud duck, and I don't see much evidence of rock having anything to do with this. "The Matrix", maybe. What is it about poor picked-on kids who snap and shoot up schools, and black trenchcoats a la Neo?One curious thing -- the extremist website the guy hung out on was that of the "Libertarian National Socialist Green Party". Now THAT's ecumenical.Pushka -- Where do police officers in the UK store their guns? Are they kept at work, or can they take them home? Because that's how the shooter in this case armed himself -- he took the service pistol of his grandfather, a tribal policeman. (And then shot the grandfather before going on to shoot up the school). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNationalist Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 More guns is the answer to everything. I blame all bad on the lack of guns. If america didnt have such crappy gun control laws the children of japan would stop starving. If i had more guns the world would be full of sunshine and puppies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pushka Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Originally posted by TheProudDuck@Mar 24 2005, 08:00 PM Pushka -- Where do police officers in the UK store their guns? Are they kept at work, or can they take them home? Because that's how the shooter in this case armed himself -- he took the service pistol of his grandfather, a tribal policeman. (And then shot the grandfather before going on to shoot up the school). I must admit, PD, that I am unsure of the answer to this...except to say that the majority of our police force do not carry guns...only the S.W.A.T. teams to my knowledge...or those on specialised duties maybe...I know a few teens who have parents that are in the force however, so I can make enquiries...Just seems that our 2 countries have such a different viewpoint towards guns in general...and perhaps this is reflected in the number of incidents of teens shooting up schools etc. using their parents guns in the States, opposed to older (20's/30's) gangsters or whatever you like to call them using guns on each other over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Originally posted by TheProudDuck@Mar 24 2005, 08:00 PM I am a proud conservative as well as a proud duck, and I don't see much evidence of rock having anything to do with this. "The Matrix", maybe. What is it about poor picked-on kids who snap and shoot up schools, and black trenchcoats a la Neo? I am a PROUD MODERATE I think that if we are going to blame something, we should not blame guns or games or movies...we need to blame ANGER.Our schools teach our students Math, English, Science...even Physical Education and Health. But the one thing they do not teach them is EMOTIONAL EDUCATION. They leave that up to religions and parents. And that is a big mistake, because not all kids are religious. And those that are religious might not have clergy qualified to teach them Emotional Education. And how many kids have parents that are qualified to teach them Emotional Education?It is my belief that required meditation classes (with no religious affiliation), led by experienced teachers, would benefit our children's future. After 12 years of that, think of how much better they would be to cope with the difficulties of life. And think of how it would benefit them DURING those difficult High School years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheProudDuck Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Tao,It is my belief that required meditation classes (with no religious affiliation), led by experienced teachers, would benefit our children's future. After 12 years of that, think of how much better they would be to cope with the difficulties of life. And think of how it would benefit them DURING those difficult High School years.Seriously, now. How seriously do you think the average cynical jaded TV-saturated schoolkid would take a required mediation class, no matter how experienced the teacher. I can just see the eyes rolling and hear the the choruses of "This is soooo GAY!" Haven't you ever watched "South Park"? This has "Sexual Harassment Panda" written all over it.Schools being the inflexible bureaucratic politically-correct institutions that they are, I sincerely doubt they'd be able to present any credible program of character instruction or anger management in any form that would have the slightest effect on the average kid. Kids being what they are, they will always shun the kids who are a little weird. The schools can probably do more to combat actual bullying, but can you send a kid to detention for not wanting to sit next to the guy in the black trenchcoat at lunch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Originally posted by TheProudDuck@Mar 25 2005, 01:20 PM Seriously, now. How seriously do you think the average cynical jaded TV-saturated schoolkid would take a required mediation class, no matter how experienced the teacher. In the short-term, of course the students taking these classes might not take them seriously. For example, a high school kid, because he has gone through elementary school and Junior High with no "Emotional Education", will think meditation or anger management is a joke.But I am thinking about the future. If such a program were started now, we would have all the Kindergarden kids in the nation taking these "Emotional Education" classes. This would ideally influence them before TV and Cynicism has corrupted their fragile little minds. Every year they will continue to take these Emotional Education classes, building on their previous years experience. The theory is that by training them from age 5, they will have a defense against the negative influences of TV, Movies, Games, etc...and this would PREVENT them from becoming "jaded".And hopefully, by the time they reach high school, they will be taking it seriously.And even if only 25% of the kids took it seriously, it would be worth the effort. At the very least, it would be worth a try...I would much rather have my kid graduate from high school knowing how to deal with negative emotions than knowing the rules of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNationalist Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 emotion crap huh? Sounds like the job of the parent and not the public school system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pushka Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Tao, I think you have some really good ideas there...I attended a workshop recently about emotions and emotional control and it was a great lesson in learning how our emotions are formed, through stimulation either negative or positive, and how our emotional growth can become stunted through being ignored/no stimulation. It was very revealing... I agree that all of our children should be able to explore their emotions through some sort of workshop in schools as often the emotional baggage we acquire is from our homes/parents' situations and our reactions to the events taking place there. PD...I asked about the police force in the UK...apparently none of our force are armed when they are not on duty. They do not carry arms as such, the police who are assigned to a situation where arms are required are sent out in special patrol cars which contain the guns they need and ammo. They are required to return the vehicle to the police station after dealing with the situation and taking all ammo out of the guns. Therefore they do not have these guns/patrol cars at their homes at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindy Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 I think that if we are going to blame something, we should not blame guns or games or movies...we need to blame ANGER.Our schools teach our students Math, English, Science...even Physical Education and Health. But the one thing they do not teach them is EMOTIONAL EDUCATION. They leave that up to religions and parents. And that is a big mistake, because not all kids are religious. And those that are religious might not have clergy qualified to teach them Emotional Education. And how many kids have parents that are qualified to teach them Emotional Education?Wonderful statement TS! I couldn't agree with you more. So many angry children who don't have a clue why they are feeling the way they do, or have a healthy channel to vent in. Don't get me wrong, teachers are heros in my book, I know that they didn't (and still don't) get paid nearly enough for all the work they do, they didn't get the training needed to recognize and act upon a lot of problems, and some still don't have the training they need. I found out years ago that the there are some teachers that couldn't deal with kids who thought "outside the box" if they couldn't fit the mold of a "normal" student, they were classified as a troublemaker, a slacker, or a special ed student. The teachers weren't taught how to handle kids with problems... and so many problems out there for the kids to have to deal with emotionally. It is a crying shame that there is such a small percentage of teachers who take the time to try to understand the underlying needs (or problems) of a troubled student. I don't blame the teacher, I blame the education system, the states and the nation itself for the lack. And USN, sometimes parents, grandparents, or guardians of these troubled kids need help with an emotionally disturbed or troubled child. Sometimes, one person who cares is not enough in certain situations. Someone said something a while ago that I remembered..."a world (or group) of many, a family of one" Here is a link I found today http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/viewpoin...6shooting.shtmla quote from that article "This event should shake parents, community leaders, teachers and school administrators into asking: Are we doing enough to help our troubled kids?"My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNationalist Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 im not nesecarily saying its the parents that should be councling them- especialy since they are probably the cause of most problems. But that they should send their kid to a therapist if they lack the ability to help personaly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Unfortunately, we will never have "Emotional Education" in our schools. As USN demonstrates, it is the common belief of Westerners than emotional education is the job of parents and churches. Never mind that many parents are clueless about psychology... And as for Christian churches...well, it is my opinion that believing in Jesus is an effective form of psychology for those who are feeling guilty of sin. Whether the atonement is real or imaginary, it helps heal guilty conciences. But not all kids are just feeling guilty...beyond repentence, I don't believe that Christianity provides any emotional benefits that cannot be better addressed by trained psychiatrists...for example, dealing with phobias, obsessive behavior, depression, self esteem problems...etc... Keep in mind, this is just my opinion, and I am sure the majority of you disagree (so lets not argue about it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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