Bob_Blaylock Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 Bob_Blaylock,Your use of scare tactics is very sad.I could also find all kinds of pictures and stories of tragedy and death caused by pharmaceutical medicines, but I won't.Displaying that sort of pictures and associating it with 'herbs' is totally uncalled for.I know dozens of people who use herbs on a regular basis and none have experienced negative results as this. Everyone I know that uses herbs is using the time tested safe herbs. The posting in question seems to have vanished. In any event, I was making an entirely valid point, here. Both you and ZenMormon have been engaging heavily in the “Appeal to Nature” and “Appeal to Tradition” fallacies, asserting that herbs and “natural medicine” are panaceas that will cure anything and that have no adverse effects whatsoever; at the same time asserting that modern synthetic medicines are entirely harmful, and denying that they are beneficial at all. The link I that posted, and the images that I posted therewith, demonstrate a particular “natural remedy” that proves to be very harmful, and which fails to be effective in treating anything, putting the lie to your claims about how nobody is ever harmed by such. In fact, there are many things that are entirely natural—including some things that have traditionally been used as medicines—that are now known to be very harmful. Cocaine, for example, or opium. In fact, I just now found a great quote on the subject on the page at NCAHF Position Paper on Herbal Remedies: “The fact that most drug-abuse substances are of herbal origin attests to the potential harm of natural substances. The opium poppy is the source of heroin, morphine, and codeine. Coca leaf is the source of cocaine; morning glory seed is the source of the street drug Heavenly Blue. Hemp is the source of marijuana and hashish. The peyote cactus is the source of mescaline. The ephedra plant contains ephedrine often the source of the street drug speed. Psilocybe mexicana is a hallucinogenic mushroom. Even ethanol is associated with the plant world being derived from yeast (fungi) fermentation. Guarana is a potent source of caffeine used to produce the street drug zoom.”
brmecham Posted September 9, 2009 Report Posted September 9, 2009 The Book of Mormon, Alma 46:40 "...excellent qualities of the many plants and roots which God had prepared to remove the cause of diseases, to which men were subject..." Doctrine and Covenants 42:43 "And whosoever among you are sick, and have not faith to be healed, but believe, shall be nourished with all tenderness, with herbs and mild food, and that not by the hand of an enemy." Doctrine and Covenants 89:11 "...all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man"
ZenMormon Posted September 9, 2009 Author Report Posted September 9, 2009 I'm done talking to blaylock on this subject, his pestimestic attitude is causing contention and we all know the source of contention. So with this I will continue to teach Herbal Medicine and Alternative Therapies, and ignore any posting by said person. For those who are interested in this topic you can follow what see my profile for website address.
Bob_Blaylock Posted September 10, 2009 Report Posted September 10, 2009 I'm done talking to blaylock on this subject, his pestimestic [sic] attitude is causing contention and we all know the source of contention. A person who puts forth falsehood—especially falsehood that will result in serious harm to people—needs to be challenged. It's easy enough for the one who is thus challenged to accuse his challenger of being “pessimistic” and of “causing contention”, but doing so does nothing to address the underlying dispute. People can be seriously harmed as a result of following ZenMormon's advice. People can die, as a result of following ZenMormon's advice. Real; diseases need real treatment, based on the best of modern science. I am not saying that there is no benefit to herbs, and traditional medicines, but to claim that one should rely exclusively on such, and to avoid modern science-based medicine; is logically the same as claiming that we should all give up automobiles because they are too slow, dangerous and inefficient; and go back to using horses instead. We have modern medicines and techniques that can effectively treat conditions such as diabetes, heart disease, and cancer; often increasing the length and quality of life of those afflicted with these conditions. ZenMormon cannot do anything to effectively treat these conditions, and if he claims that he can, then he's a fraud. If exposing a fraud, and calling him for what he truly is, is “pessimistic” or “causing contention”, then so be it.
ZenMormon Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Posted September 10, 2009 It doesn't matter what anyone says about me nor about the benefits of Herbal Medicine and Alternative therapies. If anyone would like a link to my site, please send me a pm.
ZenMormon Posted September 11, 2009 Author Report Posted September 11, 2009 You haven't answered my pm to you.Sorry I've been doing research on what is best. Don't want a mistake on my record.
pam Posted September 12, 2009 Report Posted September 12, 2009 I appreciate the info you sent me. Much I had already learned through my own research. But you added a couple that I had not heard of yet.
ZenMormon Posted September 14, 2009 Author Report Posted September 14, 2009 Ok, my newest blog is finished check it out at The New Wellness Institute
Bob_Blaylock Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 · Hidden Hidden A great quote from the late Patrick Swayze, regarding crackpots who claim to have “natural” cures for cancer:If anybody had that cure out there, like so many people swear they do, you'd be two things. You'd be very rich, and you'd be very famous. Otherwise, shut up.
Over43 Posted September 29, 2009 Report Posted September 29, 2009 I would probably be considred a"Doubting Thomas" when it comes to herbal cures, and holistic medicine. The two most important things an individual can do too help their physical health is not smoke, or drink. Then we can follow from there that eating right and allowing sometime, most days of the week for moderate exercise helps quite a bit. I do my best to ppractice Orthomolecular Biology by taking a daily vitamin. :) When my wife was ill several people were very gracious by helping her by supplying her with holistic cures and taking her to naturopaths and holistic medicine specialists. Unfortunately these avenues of healing didn't work. It was medical science that cured her of her cancer and her back injury. And although I don't buy into herbs, potions, etc. I am fine with lletting other people follow that route if that is what they want.
ZenMormon Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Posted September 29, 2009 it's understandable over43. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who are herbalists who have never attended a formal school. They experiment on their own, this can be foolish. While I have not had that formal education yet, plan on it as soon as I get a job. When I suggest herbs for people, it is based on life long studies and verified by Those who have attended school, I will never suggest an herb that i feel won't benefit them.
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