Oh Yeah, Homosexuals Are So Oppressed.

[Fiannan]

Not at all, but the majority of hate and intolerance I've seen concerning this issue in this country is aimed at the homosexuals from religious groups, not the other way around. Ever heard of the "Reverend" Fred Phelps? He's a shining example.

Oh please, Phelp's is crazy. Looking at his websites one wonders if he is actually an agent provateur (trying to make Christians look bad).

The guy even has a site called http://www.godhatessweden.com . Other actions are too many to go into but he is not even representative of hard-core fundamentalist conservative Christians.

It's a hate crime when someone makes a derrogatory comment to a gay rights organization -- like leaving a nasty message on their answering machine. You had better believe each of these mean pranks will be reported and recorded to prove oppression. Yet most people leading up defense of marriage efforts or ministers who are conservative who get calls from the other position's supporters will generally not report them as hate crimes even IF local authorities would deal with them.

What many gay rights groups want is to build a concensus that they are persecuted so laws will be passed against any opposition -- like the ones in Sweden that the Swedish socialist government tried to use to jail a Pentecostal minister.

This is not representative of Christianity in the least:

http://www.godhatessweden.com/html/royalfamily.html

Warning -- graphic hate displayed here. Do not open if easily offended.

[Aristotle]

Recently, Richard Simmons slapped a man because the man made a comment about his videos. Richard was charged. (I might have slapped the man too...I love Richard, and have nearly all his videos.)

;-)

- Mrs. A

What many gay rights groups want is to build a concensus that they are persecuted so laws will be passed against any opposition -- like the ones in Sweden that the Swedish socialist government tried to use to jail a Pentecostal minister.

Jews have been known to damage their own buildings for this very reason.

[Fiannan]

Recently, Richard Simmons slapped a man because the man made a comment about his videos. Richard was charged. (I might have slapped the man too...I love Richard, and have nearly all his videos.)

;-)

How dare this guy? I mean, hey, wait a minute...I thought you were talking about Gene Simmons of KISS.

[Outshined]

Warning -- graphic hate displayed here. Do not open if easily offended.

I didn't post the address of the site Phelps is most well-known for, as it pushes the limits of good taste. I imagine you know the one I mean; it's been in the news a few times.

And he does seem like he's on a mission to make Christians look like idiots.

EDIT: I didn't know he had a "god hates Canada" site to go along with the others. Does he like anyone?

[Fiannan]

I've heard that US soldiers and their families have REALLY had to control themselves over his antics as well as his site http://wwwgodhatesamerica.com

[Aristotle]

Recently, Richard Simmons slapped a man because the man made a comment about his videos. Richard was charged. (I might have slapped the man too...I love Richard, and have nearly all his videos.)

;-)

How dare this guy? I mean, hey, wait a minute...I thought you were talking about Gene Simmons of KISS.

Hahaha

[Snow]

Snow, how would you rate Tom Clancy? After all, wasn't he merely an insurance salesman before he started writing books? His books have gained him a reputation for being an expert researcher on the topics he presents in a fictional manner.

There are two issues here:

1. The qualtity of the writing.

2. The quality of the research and balance or accuracy of the material.

Clancy is a first rate fiction writer and has credibility as military researcher.

LaHaye produces or contributes to b (or c) grade pulp fiction. In other matters, he writes from an apologetice point of view and so is not balanced or credible.

[BenRaines]

Please share with us the facts where Jews have damaged their own buildings to get sympathy from others. I would be interested in reading about it. Not a news article but an actual proven case.

[Aristotle]

Please share with us the facts where Jews have damaged their own buildings to get sympathy from others. I would be interested in reading about it. Not a news article but an actual proven case.

Recently, I have provided information from the internet and from personal experience which some people on this forum have criticized. If people are interested in news stories, I would recommend that they search the facts for themselves using the sources they agree with.

- Mrs. A

[BenRaines]

Aristotle, I was just asking for a reference to the statement you made that the Jews had done damage to their own buildings to obtain sympathy or laws or to turn sentiment to them as persecuted.

Without any real proof I feel that a statement like that goes right in there with the ones made that it was the US or the Jews who pulled off the terrorist plane attacks on 9/11 so that we would attack the Muslims and take over the oil rich countries of the Middle East.

Those are my thoughts.

[Aristotle]

Aristotle, I was just asking for a reference to the statement you made that the Jews had done damage to their own buildings to obtain sympathy or laws or to turn sentiment to them as persecuted.

Without any real proof I feel that a statement like that goes right in there with the ones made that it was the US or the Jews who pulled off the terrorist plane attacks on 9/11 so that we would attack the Muslims and take over the oil rich countries of the Middle East.

Those are my thoughts.

Interesting concept! ;-)

[prisonchaplain]

Britannica is the gold encyclopedia resources with it's articles written and reviewed by top scholars. In a recent study by the respect journal Nature, Wikipedia was found to be on par with Britannica.

There have been some recent well-publicized cases of tampering or spoofing with Wikipedia's open protocols and I myself have noted an inaccuracy in an ariticle about a minor public figure I know personally but on balance it stacks up well and in fact corrects many inaccuracies found in the gold standard.

Besides, in reponse to the spoofing, Wikipedia has tightened up it's protocols. To say that it should be treated with the same skepticism as other web material is flat out wrong. I can go to any number of Christian apologetic websites and immediately spot numerous examples of bad science, inaccuracies, misstatement etc in only minutes. You can say the same about Wikipedia, and if you do note something amiss - you can see to it that it gets fixed.

I'm more than willing to adjust my nuance here. It was disconcerting to read that a living person could be linked to a potential murder case, and that it would take numerous weeks to clear it up--of course, by which time others had taken the erroneous information and passed it on. On the other hand, other old-technology sources, such as CBS News & Dan Rather, have muffed some facts, and taken many days to sorta recant. So, Snow hit a good balance. Use Wikepedia as a potential treasure trove of information, but keep in mind that the name does not guarantee every article, and that if you know about something, and Wikipedia's article says otherwise, you had probably better get more verification.

I agree - that's his audience, I am not part of it. I don't actually have anything against him - I wouldn't waste my time with his stuff, there's simply too much GOOD material to read to waste time with ordinary stuff, but never in a million years would I use him as my source for responsible and unbiased history.

I do have more respect for "popularizers" than many others do. USA Today may not be the NY Times or Wall Street Journal, but at least readers are keeping up with basic news summaries. Reader's Digest might not be the local university's community book club, but their offerings sure beat most of television. Tim LaHaye might not be the most imminent scholar of New Testament apocalypse (any more than Hal Lindsey was), but he has millions of readers learning about an interpretation of a book that many had never opened (Revelation). So, my hats off to such folk for helping people get their toes in the water.

[Guest Syble]

There is no perfect works, except those of God. Interesting huh? In all other cases, buyer be wear.

[Jason]

Jews have been known to damage their own buildings for this very reason.

Neo-Nazi alert!

[Guest Syble]

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Jews have been known to damage their own buildings for this very reason.

Neo-Nazi alert!

Thank you. Will take necessary precautions. Now ~ are you a Jew?

[Snow]

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Jews have been known to damage their own buildings for this very reason.

Neo-Nazi alert!

No, it true.

And Adolph Hitler was just an actor hired by the Jews to put them in concentration camps and gas chambers in order to elicit sympathy from the West.

I know this to be true because I heard it from Sister Eva Braun in Relief Society. I am trying to contact her now to verify it.

I'm ready for my close-up Mr. DeMille.

[prisonchaplain]

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Jews have been known to damage their own buildings for this very reason.

Neo-Nazi alert!

Thank you. Will take necessary precautions. Now ~ are you a Jew?

In a sense, aren't all Christians Jews? Are we not all "grafted into the seed of Abraham?"

[Aristotle]

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Jews have been known to damage their own buildings for this very reason.

Neo-Nazi alert!

No, it true.

And Adolph Hitler was just an actor hired by the Jews to put them in concentration camps and gas chambers in order to elicit sympathy from the West.

I know this to be true because I heard it from Sister Eva Braun in Relief Society. I am trying to contact her now to verify it.

I'm ready for my close-up Mr. DeMille.

I wonder how the Jews would feel about this post.

My information I shared in the post about Jews damaging their own buildings came from other Jews.

[Snow]

My information I shared in the post about Jews damaging their own buildings came from other Jews.

I don't believe you. Your post are, for the most part, not believable.

[Guest Syble]

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Jews have been known to damage their own buildings for this very reason.

Neo-Nazi alert!

Thank you. Will take necessary precautions. Now ~ are you a Jew?

In a sense, aren't all Christians Jews? Are we not all "grafted into the seed of Abraham?"

Abraham is the Father of many houses. The house of Juda is only one. I know some who are of the house of Joseph, which of course is under the roof of the House of Abraham, but definitely not of the house of Juda.

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My information I shared in the post about Jews damaging their own buildings came from other Jews.

I don't believe you. Your post are, for the most part, not believable.

Unbelievable arragance. Snow, you speak as if you are the some total of the whole, when you are only one of (how many did Heather say? 12,000 registered members of this forum?) I find your post here the most unbelieveable of all.

[Aristotle]

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My information I shared in the post about Jews damaging their own buildings came from other Jews.

I don't believe you. Your post are, for the most part, not believable.

Just because you don't believe me[us] doesn't make what I'm [we're] saying untrue; nor does it discredit me[us] in this forum, since you are only expressing your opinion/disbelief, and not fact.

[Jason]

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My information I shared in the post about Jews damaging their own buildings came from other Jews.

I don't believe you. Your post are, for the most part, not believable.

Just because you don't believe me[us] doesn't make what I'm [we're] saying untrue; nor does it discredit me[us] in this forum, since you are only expressing your opinion/disbelief, and not fact.

You rarely provide credible sources for your so-called information. I'd still like to know which television programs and which press conferences exposed the "new world order"?

[sgallan]

Just because you don't believe me[us] doesn't make what I'm [we're] saying untrue; nor does it discredit me[us] in this forum, since you are only expressing your opinion/disbelief, and not fact.

Scott throws the troll a putrid piece of troll food....

[Snow]

Unbelievable arragance. Snow, you speak as if you are the some total of the whole, when you are only one of (how many did Heather say? 12,000 registered members of this forum?) I find your post here the most unbelieveable of all.

Well thank you for sharing Syble. You're a good little sharer.

[Snow]

Unbelievable arragance. Snow, you speak as if you are the some total of the whole, when you are only one of (how many did Heather say? 12,000 registered members of this forum?) I find your post here the most unbelieveable of all.

Well thank you for sharing Syble. You're a good sharer. So then you do believe that Jews burn down their onw houses (obstensibly for under the false pretense of being persecuted.).

Tell us then - on what do you base your opinion?