Adam had more than one wife????

[Juan_P]

Vort knows it's a joke, he's poking fun at you leaving out a critical word. As far as his use of the phrase, "I swear" is a pretty common, in America at least, idiomatic phrase used as an intensifier (of varying intensity) and doesn't necessarily signify that actual oath making is taking place.

I wish he'd used a smilie or something else to show he was poking fun. Came across as an attack more than poking fun.

Swear also means foul language in many parts.

[Vort]

Can't trust

But swear?

easy there Vort, just a typo. And the smilie is there too ie it's just a joke

Oops. Trust, not understand. My bad. I should have said, "Juan, sometimes I just can't trust you!" And here I thought I was being so clever.

[Vort]

As far as his use of the phrase, "I swear" is a pretty common, in America at least, idiomatic phrase used as an intensifier (of varying intensity) and doesn't necessarily signify that actual oath making is taking place.

You're *^$(%$! right I didn't mean oath-taking!

I wish he'd used a smilie or something else to show he was poking fun. Came across as an attack more than poking fun.

Using smileys or other emoticons is against my religion -- specifically, the Religion of Those Who Despise Emoticons. (Want to hear our articles of faith? Would you read this tract?)

Swear also means foul language in many parts.

The phrase "I swear" is, as Dravin says, an intensifier that more or less means, "This here is really true, and I totally and competely mean it."

And I swear, I have never heard it used facetiously.

[Dravin]

Swear also means foul language in many parts.

Okay... it's an idiomatic phrase that doesn't necessarily mean foul language is taking place either. I understand you don't know Vort as a poster, or his posting style, so it can be hard to read people who aren't extremely forward with the intent of their posts, but confusion over a common idiom is a little confusing itself, to me at least (of course I am making assumptions based on your stated location).

Edited October 18, 2011 by Dravin

[Backroads]

While I understand phrases have different meanings, I can't be expected to know and bow to all of them.

[livy111us]

"We do not know of any wife of Adam excepting Mother Eve”

(Improvement Era, vol. 15, no. 11, September 1912, 1042)

[Guest Magen_Avot]

In my long membership in the church I have never heard or read from any talk about Adam having a second wife (or rather two). I have; however, gone to a synagoge library where I read about this. Not only that but some old Jewish writings discuss more than one set of Adam and Eve's. I can't remember how they linked Lilith into the mix.

My daughters recently have discussed this and asked me about it also, and while I'm game to read more on the topic I think it's something that's going around. Just take two asperin, get plenty of rest and get outdoors for more sunshine. LOL!

Still, I'd like to see in print where JS was supposed to have made that statement mentioned earlier^_^, even if repeated by an apostle back in the day isn't proof enough, especially now. But members used to get away with a lot just by saying, "Prophet so-and-so once said,..." there are lots of Mormon Myths out there.

As for church doctrine? In a day where it's impossible to find an acceptable source for God having more than one wife (which makes sense when considering commonly known doctrine today) finding a source for officially sancioned doctrine that Lilith is Adam's first wife will be a futile attempt at best.

Edited October 19, 2011 by Magen_Avot

[RescueMom]

In Jewish mythology, Adams First Wife (yup First not second) was Lillith. She refused to submit to him sexually because they both were created from the dust, not her from the rib. When God told her that she was supposed to submit she left the Garden of Eden, mated with the devil and made demons. She also vowed to destroy all the children of Adams second wife Eve when they were born, thus lullabies are supposed to scare her off. However, in the end, she was supposed to love Adam more than Eve and that is why she is so angry and he was supposed to love her more than Eve due to the fact she was an equal to Adam and was able to hold a conversation with him on higher knowledge. She is supposed to mourn the loss of her marriage to Adam after Judgement happens, but until then she is supposed to be destroying Eve's children, either as infants, or through sexual temptation and other vices.

Again this is all mythology, and my understanding of the story.

[RescueMom]

If Lilith was truly before Eve then it wrecks the story of the apple. Perhaps it was Lilith that ate the apple not Eve at all. Honestly that would make sense. Who knows at this point if its true and it doesnt really matter much anyway.

From my understanding in the mythology, some think it was Lillith that gave the apple to Eve, not the devil.

Just my .2 cents worth anyway.

[Juan_P]

Using smileys or other emoticons is against my religion -- specifically, the Religion of Those Who Despise Emoticons. (Want to hear our articles of faith? Would you read this tract?)

Have you spoken to your Bishop about this new faith?

The phrase "I swear" is, as Dravin says, an intensifier that more or less means, "This here is really true, and I totally and competely mean it."And I swear, I have never heard it used facetiously.

Must be a Utah thing.

[Vort]

Have you spoken to your Bishop about this new faith?

Sadly, he's a non-believer.

Must be a Utah thing.

Possibly. I am not actually from Utah, but I have visited there a number of times. It's possible I picked up an infection that has never healed.

[Backroads]

I don't think it's a Utah thing, the statement of "I swear" as heretofore used in this conversation. I've heard it in movies, tv shows, etc.

[Guest Magen_Avot]

Does anyone have their geneology done to Adam? Mine does on one line but no mention of Lilith as first wife.

I wonder if I could get that one through the temple? (Joke, joke, it's just a joke!!)

[Dravin]

Possibly. I am not actually from Utah, but I have visited there a number of times. It's possible I picked up an infection that has never healed.

I grew up in Alaska and it was certainly established in my vocabulary before I moved to Utah. My wife is from Indiana and she's familiar with the phrase and as Backroads points out it is used in non-Utah originating media. It isn't just a Utah thing. Actually, used as you used it (the form "I swear (person) that Y) I don't think I've ever heard it in it's literal sense (genuine oath making or foul language).

I suppose it's moot though, Jaun now has a new entry for his idiom dictionary. :)

Edited October 19, 2011 by Dravin

[Juan_P]

Possibly. I am not actually from Utah, but I have visited there a number of times. It's possible I picked up an infection that has never healed.

you may need to get your affairs in order; Utah infections can be tough to beat

[Darak]

The story about Lilith goes way back to early Jewish times, and if you're concerned about why Eve got all the attention then look at how popular media works.

Everyone keeps missing the point.

Humans started in a state where they could waltz around healthy young and nude, doing whatever came naturally, and nobody thought anything about it.

Then one day Lucifer tricked humans into thinking about what they were doing.

Yes I know the story says it was from eating an apple (which didn't grow there... if anything it would have had to have been a pomegranate) but the point is, humans were smart and nice enough to be just-right for God to love, but were also just a bit too-smart such that there was a risk, so he told them to not... hmm... how do we put this in modern terms... smoke dope.

And yes I know that's a fantastically clumsy metaphor, but... I trust enough will get the point.

Suppose you created dogs, which are totally lap-loving tail-wagers. Do angels flap their wings with enthusiasm when in God's presence?

But what if you want more? What if you want something that loves you because it chooses to, and not just because it's wired up that way? What if you make cats?

You know their weakness, and tell them not to sniff nip.

Then a bad dog sneaks the cats some nip, and the cats get stoned, and you find them staring at a mouse carcase thoughtfully, so you ask what the problem is, and they tell you that maybe they shouldn't have done that.

You kick the bad dog out. You send the cat to the barn where it will eat mice because it has to, and you go back to swatting mice with a broom, when it would be really nice if the cats would get back to doing what they're good at in your house, so you can do other, more useful things.

Kind'a thing.

Maybe.

In as much as is the story of Lilith.

Edited October 21, 2011 by Darak