Hypocrisy

[Cal]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Mar 11 2004, 07:22 PM

I guess I didn't pray hard enough

Maybe you got your answer

[Snow]

Originally posted by Cal@Mar 11 2004, 07:19 PM

So, no matter what the truth REALLY is, it can never be tested in Mormonism because the very thing that COULD either verify it or disprove it is eliminated from the test by your "he didn't pray hard enough".

I think you mean that in your interpretation of what she she says she believes about Mormonism. That's not necessarily the same as Mormonism.

[porterrockwell]

Sorry Cal, your logic confuses me. I think a great deal of the time, that receiving confirmation is a process. We can't always get it right when we ask. Sometimes the Lord must try us in our longsuffering so that we will appreciate the answer when it is given. I don't question the when, or how I get the answer, I believe that the Lord will impress upon me that which I ask and am expedient to receive. I just think about it as, it is His will. When HE feels it neccessary for me to know something, and I seek, I recieve. I don't think it's that you didn't pray hard enough, longsuffering and patience are the key to enduring. I think that process gives us that which is needed to understand and embrace our answer. We never know however, sometimes you get the answer right away. It's all about what the BIG MAN upstairs is down with.

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Yes, sounds like (if the Church is true), the Holy Ghost must be testing me with its silence.

By the way, do I come across as too skeptical?

I have been trying to maintain a balance between questioning the Church and defending it against anti-Mormons.

How am I doing?

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Mar 12 2004, 02:39 PM

Yes, sounds like (if the Church is true), the Holy Ghost must be testing me with its silence.

By the way, do I come across as too skeptical?

I have been trying to maintain a balance between questioning the Church and defending it against anti-Mormons. 

How am I doing?

I think you are doing awesome....hang in there...your future is brite....says..I.

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Mar 12 2004, 02:39 PM

How am I doing?

You are doing fab!

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Thanks!

I feel like I'm sitting on a fence...but its a nice view from up here!

[Tr2]

Yes, sounds like (if the Church is true), the Holy Ghost must be testing me with its silence.

By the way, do I come across as too skeptical?

I have been trying to maintain a balance between questioning the Church and defending it against anti-Mormons.

How am I doing?

A few things I'd like to ask;

1- The bible says God is love. Do you often have people, who say they love you, refuse to speak to you just to test your loyalty?

2- Why do you defend the mormon church when you are unsure of it yourself? You appear to be trying to take everybody's side.

[Cal]

Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 13 2004, 06:10 AM

Yes, sounds like (if the Church is true), the Holy Ghost must be testing me with its silence.

By the way, do I come across as too skeptical?

I have been trying to maintain a balance between questioning the Church and defending it against anti-Mormons.

How am I doing?

A few things I'd like to ask;

1- The bible says God is love. Do you often have people, who say they love you, refuse to speak to you just to test your loyalty?

2- Why do you defend the mormon church when you are unsure of it yourself? You appear to be trying to take everybody's side.

TR2, have you ever spoken, thinking someone was there, turned around, and realized that the best explanation for no answer was that there was no one there to answer in the first place. Just a thought. Which is the most rational explanation? NOT a statement, just a question.

[Tr2]

TR2, have you ever spoken, thinking someone was there, turned around, and realized that the best explanation for no answer was that there was no one there to answer in the first place. Just a thought. Which is the most rational explanation? NOT a statement, just a question.

No.

[Cal]

Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 14 2004, 05:31 AM

TR2, have you ever spoken, thinking someone was there, turned around, and realized that the best explanation for no answer was that there was no one there to answer in the first place. Just a thought. Which is the most rational explanation? NOT a statement, just a question.

No.

Well, maybe you should. Most "thinking" people consider all the alternatives before they decide on the correct answer.

[porterrockwell]

Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 13 2004, 07:10 AM

Yes, sounds like (if the Church is true), the Holy Ghost must be testing me with its silence.

By the way, do I come across as too skeptical?

I have been trying to maintain a balance between questioning the Church and defending it against anti-Mormons.

How am I doing?

A few things I'd like to ask;

1- The bible says God is love. Do you often have people, who say they love you, refuse to speak to you just to test your loyalty?

2- Why do you defend the mormon church when you are unsure of it yourself? You appear to be trying to take everybody's side.

There is more than one way to answer a prayer. Are you humble and willing to accept the answer, even if it contradicts and goes against everything you are used to? Also, again, Cal can't stand that metaphor because you can't turn around and "look", that is the whole point of faith, longsuffering, and kinda what this mortal probation is about. Tao, doing fine Bro. One thing I am learning, is be the best person you can be, and when the Lord is ready for you to know the truth it will happen.

[Tr2]

There is more than one way to answer a prayer. Are you humble and willing to accept the answer, even if it contradicts and goes against everything you are used to?

Of course! However I am not willing to accept something that goes against the principles of things that have worked in my own life. A few days ago I had a less trained emergency medical responder tell me that basic life support is all he needs for patient care. That is fine for him. But I have learned, through experience, that advanced life support is more effective for patient care in some circumstances. I am not willing to kick aside tried and tested things for new and unproven things.

[Cal]

Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 14 2004, 06:20 PM

There is more than one way to answer a prayer. Are you humble and willing to accept the answer, even if it contradicts and goes against everything you are used to?

Of course! However I am not willing to accept something that goes against the principles of things that have worked in my own life. A few days ago I had a less trained emergency medical responder tell me that basic life support is all he needs for patient care. That is fine for him. But I have learned, through experience, that advanced life support is more effective for patient care in some circumstances. I am not willing to kick aside tried and tested things for new and unproven things.

I guess its a good thing JS didn't take that approach!

[Tr2]

I guess its a good thing JS didn't take that approach!

No, Smith went into the whole situation uneducated and uninformed. There is no reason for any intelligent person to believe Smith knew the difference between an angel and a demon. If what I read about Smith, that is LDS produced, then he took everything at face value and didn't question a thing. If some angel were to come out of the sky and give me new medical directives, that contradicted the tested and proven methods I use in the field every day, and I applied them without hesitation i would kill people. Considering that the LDS church is supposed to be this restored church of Christ I just have one question. Where is the evidence showing how you are doing greater things than Christ, after all wasn't that one of Jesus' promises?

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 13 2004, 06:10 AM

A few things I'd like to ask;

1- The bible says God is love. Do you often have people, who say they love you, refuse to speak to you just to test your loyalty?

I was being sarcastic about the Holy Ghost testing me.

My true feelings are that I was not given a confirmation of the BoM...whatever that may mean.

2- Why do you defend the mormon church when you are unsure of it yourself? You appear to be trying to take everybody's side.

I believe all religions have value.

I believe no religion has the absolute truth.

So I defend them all, if they are generally moral religions.

Its better than attacking them all, isn't it?

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Originally posted by Cal+Mar 13 2004, 12:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cal @ Mar 13 2004, 12:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Tr2@Mar 13 2004, 06:10 AM

Yes, sounds like (if the Church is true), the Holy Ghost must be testing me with its silence.

By the way, do I come across as too skeptical?

I have been trying to maintain a balance between questioning the Church and defending it against anti-Mormons.

How am I doing?

A few things I'd like to ask;

1- The bible says God is love. Do you often have people, who say they love you, refuse to speak to you just to test your loyalty?

2- Why do you defend the mormon church when you are unsure of it yourself? You appear to be trying to take everybody's side.

TR2, have you ever spoken, thinking someone was there, turned around, and realized that the best explanation for no answer was that there was no one there to answer in the first place. Just a thought. Which is the most rational explanation? NOT a statement, just a question.

In all honesty, I tend to believe this explanation too

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Originally posted by porterrockwell@Mar 14 2004, 02:59 PM

Tao, doing fine Bro. One thing I am learning, is be the best person you can be, and when the Lord is ready for you to know the truth it will happen.

Thanks...I am also happy with that conclusion for now.

[Tr2]

I believe all religions have value

I agree. Some have very little and others have a lot.

Its better than attacking them all, isn't it?

There is that word, "attacking". Why is it that whenever somebody disagrees with another person's views and points that out it is called an attack? Just more PC nonsense. If I were to attack another religion, you'd know it.

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 15 2004, 02:52 PM

I believe all religions have value

I agree. Some have very little and others have a lot.

Clever...

But your right...some have more value than others.

But the ones that have alot of value might be missing something that can be found in a religion with very little value.

I used to think that Christianity had very little value when compared to the more practical religions of Taoism and Buddhism (the proven practices being meditation).

But after opening my mind I found that Christianity, a religion that I considered to be of very little value, had one thing that the Eastern religions addressed, but did not emphasize so strongly. Christianity has a very strong emphasis on forgiveness, and I like that.

So now I see all of those religions more equally.

Its better than attacking them all, isn't it?

There is that word, "attacking". Why is it that whenever somebody disagrees with another person's views and points that out it is called an attack? Just more PC nonsense. If I were to attack another religion, you'd know it.

I was not accusing you of anything. That statement was all about myself...

I was just saying that I like to defend all religions (if they have some value) instead of attacking them. Or maybe I should say, I prefer to look for the good parts of each religion than to look for the bad parts.

[Outshined]

Originally posted by Tr2@Mar 15 2004, 03:52 PM

I believe all religions have value

I agree. Some have very little and others have a lot.

Unfortunately, it is a personal view to decide whether a religion has value. What you value may be worthless to the next man, and vice versa.

[porterrockwell]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint+Mar 15 2004, 03:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Taoist_Saint @ Mar 15 2004, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--porterrockwell@Mar 14 2004, 02:59 PM

Tao, doing fine Bro.  One thing I am learning, is be the best person you can be, and when the Lord is ready for you to know the truth it will happen.

Thanks...I am also happy with that conclusion for now.

That is part of patience and longsuffering. As long as you keep your heart open, ready to recieve the truth, whatever it may be, when the time comes.