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[CaptainTux]

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However, a wrench will not protect you against another human being with a gun.

Oh Yes It Did He was so amazed that I pulled it out from behind the dresser, that he took his finger off the trigger and snorted at me like I was a dimwitted idjit, and that is when I whacked his gun hand. His gun hit the floor, I grabbed the gun and threw it out the door and while he was screaming that I broke his arm I called the police! I broke his wrist! AND he went to jail. Gun is worse than wrench. He plead guilty - did not want the "world" to know that a woman had whacked him with a wrench!

Perfect! Non lethal option to defend oneself and remove the danger. She has pride and attagirls (as you should) as opposed to a life time of regret and seeing the eyes of a persons last moments.

[Dr T]

That is an amazing story MrsS. :)

[Winnie G]

I have a friend who is in the RCMP.

He has gone to neighborhood watch meetings and the best things you can do to word off an intruder is a yappy small dog and of all things a can or cans of air with a horn.

The ones used at sports games, he also added a very bright flash light and the combination of all of these are safer then a gun in the house.

I love to have on hand a flash /precision granad (sp) then a gun any day, then I can stand on the intruders privets wile I call 911.

It all comes down to privation if you have a plan then a gun is not needed.

[Winnie G]

I have to say after reading some of your posts, I have to ask why would you live in such a scary violent place were you have to have a gun?

A wrench a yappy dog and a can of air will send someone fleeing from your home.

Do you have to shoot to kill?

Most intruders are after you TV and don't bring a gun, and if I live were they do I say Move!

I was born in Detroit Michigan and my father was military till the day he died. We never owned a gun.

I think buying a gun just adds another gun in to the world and breads violence.

[Guest funkyfool]

I have to say after reading some of your posts, I have to ask why would you live in such a scary violent place were you have to have a gun?

Some people dont have a say in regards to where they live. What if you dont have the resources to live in a less crime-ridden area? I dont think that is a fair statement.

[StrawberryFields]

I personally am not fond of guns. I am grateful that we have men and women who are trained to use them for our protection.

I have some good friends whose father got a permit to carry a concealed weapon. They became very concerned when he brought the gun to their home and to the girls dance performance. I believe that guns have their place. One weekend we took our snowmobile up to my dad cabin where it is very primitive. Earlier in the year we had been camping up there and a mountain lion ran across the road in front of us. There were also some bears which had been moved there from Yellowstone because they had become a nuisance. We took my dads pistol with us just in case we should come upon some wild beasts. B)

[shanstress70]

I have to say after reading some of your posts, I have to ask why would you live in such a scary violent place were you have to have a gun?

A wrench a yappy dog and a can of air will send someone fleeing from your home.

Do you have to shoot to kill?

Most intruders are after you TV and don't bring a gun, and if I live were they do I say Move!

I was born in Detroit Michigan and my father was military till the day he died. We never owned a gun.

I think buying a gun just adds another gun in to the world and breads violence.

I live in a very safe place, Winnie. But the Amish girls who were just killed thought they lived in a safe place too! You see it all the time on the national news - "Nothing like this ever happens here!" Like I say, I don't foresee ever having to use a gun, but it's nice to know it's there in case someone tries to harm my family.

Do you have a source for saying that most people breaking into houses don't have a gun? I'm curious about that statement. And if someone breaks into my home, they do so at their own risk. I'm not one to care what purpose they have there. My house is my safe haven!

[StrawberryFields]

My thoughts in guns in the home for protection is safety and location.

Safety being someone getting a hold of it and hurting another such as a child or having it taken away and used against the owner.

Location. Is it locked up? Is it next to your bed in case of a night time intruder? what if an intruder comes in during the day and you are not close to the gun?

If you have a gun for self defense you need to be prepared to use it.

[CaptainTux]

I live in a very safe place, Winnie. But the Amish girls who were just killed thought they lived in a safe place too! You see it all the time on the national news - "Nothing like this ever happens here!" Like I say, I don't foresee ever having to use a gun, but it's nice to know it's there in case someone tries to harm my family.

Five Amish girls died tragically that day at the hands of a sick man. The Amish community have not changed their ways in response to this. The Amish have expressed forgiveness and even insisted a fund be set up of the widow of their murderer.

In the general media, the story and lesson of forgiveness based on Biblical principles of pacifism and love are being noted.

They have become an example and a witness of how to do it right. They put their lives in the hands of God and made no preparations to kill another human, even in defense of their young.

They have a piece of the puzzle in place that we cannot seem to fathom.

[StrawberryFields]

You know, hostage negotiators advise people that if they are ever taken as a hostage, they should introduce themselves and share a little bit of their life with the goon. The purpose for this is because after you have done so, the goon begins to regard you as a person. This makes it much harder for them to kill you.

The above is from another thread.

If someone has a gun and you don't this could be worth a try.

[shanstress70]

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I live in a very safe place, Winnie. But the Amish girls who were just killed thought they lived in a safe place too! You see it all the time on the national news - "Nothing like this ever happens here!" Like I say, I don't foresee ever having to use a gun, but it's nice to know it's there in case someone tries to harm my family.

Five Amish girls died tragically that day at the hands of a sick man. The Amish community have not changed their ways in response to this. The Amish have expressed forgiveness and even insisted a fund be set up of the widow of their murderer.

In the general media, the story and lesson of forgiveness based on Biblical principles of pacifism and love are being noted.

They have become an example and a witness of how to do it right. They put their lives in the hands of God and made no preparations to kill another human, even in defense of their young.

They have a piece of the puzzle in place that we cannot seem to fathom.

My point with bringing up the Amish was that they thought they lived in a safe place... apparently no place is safe.

As far as taking this example further, I have spent lots of time in Lancaster when I used to travel for work. I spent months there and learned all I could about these fascinating people. Some of their beliefs I whole-heartedly agree with... others I whole-heartedly disagree with.

This is a case that I disagree with... that they didn't have a phone with which to call 911 in case of emergency. I respect their belief, but I don't agree with it. Perhaps we who have phones and some kind of means to defend ourselves are the ones with the pieces of the puzzle.

***In re-reading, this sounded harsh... I don't mean to come across that way. It's just the Amish have some great ideas as far as keeping life simple and keeping the important things in perspective, but that doesn't mean that everyone who chooses NOT to live so simply (ie without guns or phones) is doing something wrong, per say. It's all subjective.

My thoughts in guns in the home for protection is safety and location.

Safety being someone getting a hold of it and hurting another such as a child or having it taken away and used against the owner.

Location. Is it locked up? Is it next to your bed in case of a night time intruder? what if an intruder comes in during the day and you are not close to the gun?

If you have a gun for self defense you need to be prepared to use it.

Hi SF,

You may not be addressing me, but in case you are, here is my post from earlier in this thread...

Yes we do have a loaded gun in the house in a safe that my child would never be able to get into bc of the combination. My child doesn't even know it is there.

In the safe with the handgun is a high powered flashlight so that you can see exactly who it is before shooting. My husband has taken many gun courses which teaches you to do all these things, and he is well-practiced at this situation... this includes practicing inputting the combination so he can get the gun out quickly, then taking the safety off.

We also teach our child about gun safety so that he knows how to handle the situation if he ever encounters one outside of our house.

[Winnie G]

I am in Alberta at the moment that’s why I have not responded to what’s posted, on and off. I am here visiting my sons and their families and checking on the progress of our house that’s being built.

It has always been noted by law enforcement that burglars don’t (usually) carry guns.

It is a different lesser sentence when caught. Being armed carriers a harsher sentence.

The Amish can and will live their way of life in virtually safe but for this freak incident.

They have nothing to give that normal criminal, what’s in it for them.

The Amish have a wonderful mind set that heals and comforts. I have a cousin who’s Amish.

By statistics at the one as of late, that you are more likely to be killed by your own gun then that of a burglars.

I take it those of you who disagree are talking home invasion?

[StrawberryFields]

In the case of an home invasion if you draw a gun it is most likely a kill or be killed alternative. I am not so sure I could shoot someone. Hot them with a shovel is another story.

One day my then young daughter was waling home from school with some friends and close to our home a big hunting type dog jumped on her back and scratched her pretty bad. She came into our home screaming that she had been attacked by a big dog. I looked out the window and saw this dog sitting in our front yard as if waiting for her.I went out through the garage grabbing a shovel. With the hair standing up on the back of my neck I stomped my foot and pointed off my property and said "GO!". The dog just sat there so I did it again, and again. The dog didn't ,one and I could hear my daughter inside screaming for me to be careful so I encouraged him to leave with the shovel. The dog left and went across the street and sat on the neighbors yard. I called animal control.

I will do my best to protect my family, but don't believe that I am ready to shoot anyone.

[Winnie G]

Strawberry Fields

You make a good point.

In less you have been physically attacked before i.e. training or fought off a attack before, you truly have no idea how you will react.

Is it really in you to kill another human being?

None really knows for sure and the danger that comes from having a gun in your home out weighs the positive.

[shanstress70]

Is it really in you to kill another human being?

Not sure if I would be able to kill someone for breaking in, although there's always the risk of them harming me or my family once they're in my home. Enter at your own risk, I suppose.

HOWEVER...

I am 100% certain that if someone was threatening to harm or take my child after breaking in our house, I would kill him or her. 100%!

[BenRaines]

There are all kinds of weapons to use in a house invasion. Most important is to meet force with force. If they have no weapons then a bat will do. If they have a bat then a gun will do. All said I am not beyond ripping out someones throat to save my loved ones.

Ben Raines