Prisonchaplain discusses 3 types of relationship with God (video)

[prisonchaplain]

We've hit one of those 3 times a year I get to speak and be recorded. What follows is a teaching entitled, "Our relationship with God."

1. Chose the August 25, 2013 service.

2. To hear the sermon only, start at about 57:00.

Enjoy!

Live Streaming | Angle Lake Neighborhood Church

Our relationship with God

Introduction: Growing up I remember how ministers and teachers would talk negatively about “Sunday Christians.” These were folks who worshipped God on church day, but lived for the Devil the rest of the week.

In King County only about one-third of people attend a house of worship in any given week. Tell someone you go to church regularly and they are likely to ask, “You mean you go EVERY SINGLE WEEK?” The implication is that you are fanatical to be THAT involved.

Proposition: Today we will look at three ways people relate to God: Those who are Godless, those who have a form of godliness, and those who are filled with God.

Transition: The first type of relationship is one that is all too common in our neck of the woods. So many of our neighbors, colleagues, even friends are . . .

I. Godless

Job 20:5-7

New International Version (NIV)

5 that the mirth of the wicked is brief,

the joy of the godless lasts but a moment.

6 Though the pride of the godless person reaches to the heavens

and his head touches the clouds,

7 he will perish forever, like his own dung;

those who have seen him will say, ‘Where is he?’

a. Some are godless because they don’t want the competition! Adam & Eve chose to be like God rather than loving God.

b. Others embrace the false choice of science vs. God

i. Some make the ignorant claim that religion has led to wars and abuse, suggesting it fosters ignorance.

ii. In reality, it was Christian missions work that built many of the world’s hospitals and universities. The reasoning was that if people were educated they could understand their Bibles better.

iii. Also note that atheistic governments managed to kill roughly 100 million people—mostly within their own countries—in about 70 years. (China, Russia, Cambodia)

c. Still others equate following God with weakness. They might say, “God’s okay for women and children—He’s a crutch!”

i. Jesus was good to women and children—those whom society often neglects or abuses.

ii. BUT He also took men whom society overlooked, and made them mighty leaders of the church.

iii. God is no respecter of people.

d. Finally, there are those who just live for the pleasure of today. Consider the Prodigal Son. He just wanted to have fun.

i. King Solomon discovered that pleasure, wealth—even labor and charity—were meaningless. The ultimate purpose of life is to obey God and keep his commands.

ii. Nevertheless, every generation replays Solomon’s experiment—believing that for them pleasure will be enough.

iii. “Laugh and the world laughs with you—cry and you cry alone.” Pleasure seeking is selfish and empty. When it is finished it brings death.

James 1:15

New International Version (NIV)

15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

Transition: The godless exhibit pride—spiritual, intellectual, personal and carnal pride. Sometimes the religious do too.

II. The second type of relationship with God can be find in those who have a form of godliness.

2 Timothy 3:1-5

New International Version (NIV)

3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

a. False prophets/teachers who tell us what we want to hear

i. Prosperity gospel

1. Few ministers continue to peddle the most obvious forms of Jesus-as-a-get-rich-quick scheme.

2. However, when Jesus is presented to us as a Life Coach, a success facilitator, or as that provider-of-inspiration that helps round out our lives, we may miss the deeper truth.

3. Jesus is God the Son, Creator of all that is, holy, sovereign, awesome, and ultimately He is our Judge.

ii. Spiritual pride

1. We teach truth that others don’t. We dress modest when others don’t. We don’t taste, touch or indulge, when others do.

2. They focus not on separation from sin and worldliness, but on division from other Christians they consider “less than…”

b. Following the rules rather than the Ruler

i. Too many have had a relationship with their church or leaders, but not with God.

ii. It’s relatively easy to learn how to please our brothers and sisters in Christ.

iii. The danger is that we do not go further, and seek to serve and please God himself.

c. Religion to win favor with people

i. Universalism vs. the Way:

1. Many people are fine with Christianity, so long as you do not insist that Jesus is the only Way, Truth and Life.

2. Except, Jesus said that’s who He is in John 14:6!

ii. Friend vs. Ultimate Authority. Many people are fine with the idea of Jesus as a friend, with the Holy Spirit as Comforter, and with God as “the Man upstairs.” Tell them that Jesus expects us to obey his commands and watch their acceptance wilt!

iii. Many roads vs. One.

1. Tell people that your religion works, but that all religions lead to the same God and you’ll be lauded for your tolerance and broad intellect.

2. Tell them that the road to hell is wide and easy, but the way to God is narrow and difficult, and feel the burn of society’s hostility.

Transition: If our godliness is to please the church or society, It is deficient. It will fail. The only relationship with promise is for us to …

III. Being filled with God

Matthew 10:37-39

New International Version (NIV)

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

a. Being filled with God, we are willing to face the unknown because of faith in God.

b. Being filled with God, we cling to Him in times of trouble. We do not push Him away.

c. Being filled with God, we are dissatisfied with moderate religion.

d. Being filled with God, we experience regular encounters with Him. They that make us fearless for God.

e. Being filled with God, we become accustomed to God’s presence. Then we learn to bless others, rather than seeking to be blessed,

f. Being filled with God, even when we are blessed we seek to channel the gifts back into God’s kingdom.

Conclusions:

· My family and I recently enjoyed 3 weeks in Florida. We enjoyed theme parks and nice hotels. We had some great meals and a really fun time. When the world smiles at us, life can be pleasant.

· But the Devil can have all of it if the pleasure, provisions, or positive conditions come between me and God!

· This world must have no hold on us! Ultimately, it is corrupt. It will not be spared in the coming judgment. It will be purified by fire!

· Give me God’s kingdom, God’s calling…and yes, the cross! Let me bear burdens so that a soul may gain citizenship in heaven! Let me suffer so that one may cross over for condemnation to eternal reward.

· These days many voices are asking if we are “all in.” Sadly, many Christians are half in the world and half in the Kingdom.

· Choose this day who you will serve. I join Joshua in saying, “As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!”

Edited September 1, 2013 by prisonchaplain

[NightSG]

If you're going to be on video, straighten those dang plates

[prisonchaplain]

Did you all hear? NightSG just receiving a church calling...new A/V guy at PC's church. How cool is that??? :-)

[NightSG]

Don't make me start in on your fashion sense

[NightSG]

Ah, what the heck. Not picking on you; you still look as good as 99% of the people who don't have a fashion consultant checking them before going in front of a camera, but we've all got room for improvement, and you did post a video of yourself, so you get to be the target

• Button the jacket when you stand up. If it won't button, or looks strained when buttoned, find one that works right. Goodwill, Salvation Army and others are good starting points, as is K&G Menswear. Either way, still expect to have to find a tailor to get it just right. It's worth the cost, and not as expensive as you might think. Baggy fabric just screams "I'm trying to hide my gut!" Look at Raymond Burr in the Perry Mason years; he only really looked fat in his later years, but he had a gut long before that. It was well disguised (Never really hidden, though; this is important - it's there and visible, but they made it hard to notice unless you're looking for it. Hiding it completely would be a major undertaking, while just making it less noticeable it is a lot easier and well within most men's budget.) by properly fitted suits that took full advantage of his unusually broad shoulders.
• Start a collection of pocket squares. Not ones that are identical to your ties, but ones that coordinate with them, or just with your shirts. Even WalMart commonly carries a few basic colors now. (Usually beside the ties, in small plastic boxes, and reversible so one color has the other as a contrasting hem.) When in doubt, a solid color pocket square that matches your shirt is always a safe bet. They help to break up the solid color expanse of one side of the suit, and draw it away from an appearance of trying for perfect symmetry by breaking that symmetry in an attractive way. They can also help to subtly direct attention to the V of the lapels.
• Avoid dark suits on video, unless the lighting is excellent. Look at a few General Conference videos as examples of how good the lighting and camera quality need to be for black, navy and charcoal suits to really work. Again, note that even the dark Perry Mason suits were just light enough and well lit enough that the lapels stood out, rather than the whole suit just being a dark mass. Your color is just about right for normal video, but seems to get a bit lost at times at the streaming resolution.
• One trick that can help with the dark suits is a bit more fill light from one side. This can help to separate the lapels from the body of the jacket and the jacket from the pants, giving you a better overall shape. It also helps show off the crisp, fresh creases in your pants. (A hand steamer with creasing attachment is under $20, and worth the cost just to be able to knock wrinkles out of a good suit coat without a trip to the cleaners.)
• Get some dress shirts that fit well too, so you're not stuck in the jacket all the time once you find just the right fit. The typical men's dress shirt fit these days seems to be that for my 17.5" collar I'd need to have a nearly 60" gut. I'm nowhere near thin enough for some of the "slim fit" styles, but after some experimentation at the local outlet store, I found that Van Heusen Fitted is almost perfect for me. Try a few brands and cuts (VH has regular, fitted and slim, marked on or just under the brand tag, others often have more, but you have to check the labels as a lot of stores don't intentionally carry anything but regular.)

Let's look at a screencap for details;

Now, lapels exist in large part to contribute to an overall V motif; wide at the shoulders, narrow at the waist. Same for the jacket itself, with its deep V neckline. Your jacket is open, so the "neckline" is a straight drop, giving up most of the slimming effect of a good suit. Your near lapel is reasonably visible, but the far one is completely lost to angle and shadow, costing even more of the effect.

Looking back at Perry Mason again, William Hopper (Drake) is probably a better example for most of us, since his wardrobe consultant was also doing a great job of camouflaging a bit of gut, but didn't quite have Burr's linebacker build to work with. (They cheated sometimes by padding the shoulders of his light colored suit jackets a lot more than anyone's going to get away with these days; compare those with shots of him in a trenchcoat where they just cinched the belt really tight.) Deeper necklines on the suit jackets and good tailoring make him look pretty fit in most scenes.

Next, look at the tip of your tie, hanging out there in space. I have the same problem, and another advantage of a buttoned jacket is pinning that tie tip down (or at least hiding it) to remove another visual indicator that we have a mini keg in place of a six pack.

Maybe nitpicking a bit, but you might want to look at tapering the jacket sleeves just a tad; you're showing just the tiniest bit of shirt at the jacket cuffs, which is perfect, but the sleeves themselves are a bit shapeless, which tends to make the jacket look too big on you. Again, we're getting into shaping the clothes toward the ideal body shape, and, like properly tapered pants legs, slightly tapering sleeves are among the ways to do that which have often been lost in the attempt to make generic one-size-fits-a-lot-of-people-poorly suits.

[prisonchaplain]

:::gulp:::

Maybe I should just go back to posting the podcast links. :-)

[NightSG]

Nah, just need to spend more time over at Art of Manliness working on your wardrobe. Us sort-of-fat guys can look pretty good too :)

You could go with a three piece suit too, (with or without a bow tie) but it takes a certain type of personality and confidence to wear it like Bogart instead of Boss Hogg. Same goes for a double breasted suit, which also absolutely has to be properly fitted or it'll look even worse.

[SpiritDragon]

Sorry PC, but I just can't watch the presentation. Every time I try my browser crashes.

[prisonchaplain]

Based on NightSG's commentary, I'd suggest you just listen to the podcast, Spirit...might be easier on your computer and your eyes...SIGH...

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Edited September 5, 2013 by prisonchaplain

[NightSG]

Based on NightSG's commentary, I'd suggest you just listen to the podcast, Spirit...might be easier on your computer and your eyes...SIGH...

Ah come on...give the wardrobe tricks a try, and see what your wife thinks

[prisonchaplain]

I don't trust her judgment...she married me, after all...

[Guest]

I guess I'm a know-nothing, because I see nothing wrong with what you're wearing.

I wish I could give you some feedback on your video. I wanted to watch it but my computer doesn't like it, either. The title is intriguing.

[Guest]

PS Night, just because you say "no offense" or "not picking on you", doesn't change what you actually are doing. In fact, if you have to preface something with that kind of warning, it's a good indication that you should think again about saying it. I don't think pc was looking for a fashion critique.

Just remember:

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bc/40/57/bc4057f324e758f434fd903a6498b6b2.jpg

(Aw, shoot. Look at me giving unsolicited advice about giving unsolicited advice.)

[prisonchaplain]

See...now I have to come out and say that I accept Night's good counsel. No offense was taken. I think we've been having fun back and forth with these posts. :-) As for fashion, most ministers my age are going semi-casual, ala Men's Wearhouse. Suit and tie is perceived as "building walls" and "failing to be relational."

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Edited September 5, 2013 by prisonchaplain

[NightSG]

See...now I have to come out and say that I accept Night's good counsel. No offense was taken. I think we've been having fun back and forth with these posts. :-) As for fashion, most ministers my age are going semi-casual, ala Men's Wearhouse. Suit and tie is perceived as "building walls" and "failing to be relational."

That makes it even more important to have shirts that don't allow you to do a flying squirrel impression.

Just got another Van Heusen fitted shirt from a surplus dealer on eBay for $5 shipped. It's in the laundry now, and I'll try to remember to get some comparison pics at some point. Essentially, in front view, a properly fitting shirt will give at least a slight concavity between the armpits and belt, (assuming the wearer isn't too convex there already) which is very slimming, even when the side view is still pretty convex.

[NightSG]

Ok, here we go on the comparison photos.

Unaltered, decent brand shirt, probably $35-$40 if I hadn't found it at an outlet store for $9.99:

This is how pretty much all men's shirts with a big enough collar (17.5") look on me unless they're "fitted" or "slim" styles, and I ain't very slim.

Same brand, taken in on the sides, but not the sleeves:

George, sides and sleeves taken in: (WalMart $12.99 brand. *Better than Puritan but still WalMart.)

That sleeve looks tighter than it is. Probably had it a bit twisted in the pic.

And for comparison, the unaltered Van Heusen Fitted ($45-$50) I picked up on eBay for $5:

I'll spare you the shirtless shot from the singles' pool party, but I think you can get a pretty good idea of what I'm camouflaging in these. Suffice it to say that the $25 used sewing machine I picked up Tuesday has more than paid for itself already. A little work on a jacket will do the same thing, though it is more effort due to removing and reattaching the lining. Basically, a little practice, a few Howcast and/or Instructables lessons, and a sewing machine can expand your wardrobe cheaply while making it look expensive.

Edited September 21, 2013 by NightSG