Traveler Has A Valid Point...

[Guest Yediyd]

Traveler has a point when he leaves the "o" out of G_d, that is a way of showing reverance to the lord.

The name of G-d in the Old Testimant was written with 4 consonants: YHVH. No vowels are given in the original. The King James translaters have rendered this as: Jahovah, ( The "Y" often becomes "J" in English ). More recently, it has become more common to translate this as: Yahweh or Jahveh. I choose to say: Ya 'h veh. I believe that is the closest rendering of G-d's true name.

Because of the reverance with which the Jews held the sacred name of YHVH, they subtituted the name Adonai, which literally in Hebrew means: "my lord". It was used to say: the Lord, rather than say his real name each time.

Another way that the Jews refer to the Lord is to say: Hashem, which means: the name. Usually they say: Baruch Hashem (blessed be the name)

They do this because of the reverance with which they hold the name of G-d...we could stand to learn a lesson from them in this. I for one am with Traveler on this...I believe I too will start using more reverance when writing the name of my lord.

Thanks for the good example, Traveler. :)

[Saab900man]

Isn't God a title and not a name?

[Guest Yediyd]

Yes, I believe you are right, but it has come to mean "the" G-d, and that to me...is a name for him. I am just impressed with Traveler's understanding of the reverance that the name of G-d should have.

[Saab900man]

What about for Christ? is there a reason to abbreviate his name?

[Guest Yediyd]

What about for Christ? is there a reason to abbreviate his name?

Good point, but I see Jesus as my elder brother and YHVH as my Heavenly father...When I say G-d, I am referring to the Father.

[CrimsonKairos]

Jehovah is Jesus.

As for me, God is a personal friend of mine, and even though His name is sacred, He's always happy to hear me talk to or about Him...if I do so respectfully. :)

One correction: The Jews never spoke the name of God, except for one Jew on one day a year. On the Day of Atonement, the High Priest would enter the Holy of Holies and say Jehovah's name during the course of the rituals. No other Jew said the name, ever, even in synagogue. As you pointed out, whenever they came across the consonant-group YHWH, they orally said, "Adonai."

Then, the Massoretes invented the system of slashes and dots to represent vowel sounds. When they got to YHWH, they added the vowel sounds from "Adonai," to wit: "ah" and "oh" and "ah." So YHWH became Ya-ho-wah or Ya-ho-vah, and the KJV renders it "Jehovah". The actual mark under the Yod (letter "y" in Hebrew) is a simple shva if I recall correctly. This calls for a glottal stop after the letter it appears under. So "Yahowah" or "Yahovah" would be said: Y'howah or Y'hovah (try pronouncing the sound the letter "y" makes, then cut it off and say "ho-wah" or "ho-vah" and there ye be).

It is only written out as "Jehovah" four times in the Bible: Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; Isaiah 26:4. Everywhere else, in place of Jehovah's name the KJV has "LORD" in small capital letters (whereas the Jews would have put "Adonai" or "My Lord").

The Hebrew word for "to be" is HYH ("hayah"). The future tense of this verb is YHWH ("Yahweh"). God told Moses His name was, "I AM THAT I AM." In other words, He is self-existent and will exist forever into the future as He is today (the whole future tense of "to be" thing).

The Greeks call it the nomen tetragrammaton, and use a form of the Greek word Kurios in place of the Hebrew YHWH.

[pushka]

http://www.truecatholic.org/pix/sc12.jpg

I was taught that the letters INRI, as shown in the above picture, were on the sign...and that it was supposed to mean 'King of the Jews'...mocking Jesus's status. Am I incorrect?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INRI

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t024.html

Two more links sharing the same information. Where did you find the source for YHVH Yediyd?

I just found the following link, showing YHVH as it would have been originally written, and I suppose it is similar to the image shown on my 3rd link above:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...%3Doff%26sa%3DG

[Guest Yediyd]

http://www.truecatholic.org/pix/sc12.jpg

I was taught that the letters INRI, as shown in the above picture, were on the sign...and that it was supposed to mean 'King of the Jews'...mocking Jesus's status. Am I incorrect?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INRI

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t024.html

Two more links sharing the same information. Where did you find the source for YHVH Yediyd?

I just found the following link, showing YHVH as it would have been originally written, and I suppose it is similar to the image shown on my 3rd link above:

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...%3Doff%26sa%3DG

Actually, I am the one who is incorrect and I stand corrected!! I'm sorry, Pushka...I was taking what I knew about the Romans treatment of the Jews and what I knew about the 4 letter name for G-d and putting them together with my own hipothisus...but you are correct and I was wrong. Thank you for pointing that out in such a geniuen christian way!!!!!

( I am also a TERRIBLE speller!!!!!Ughhhh!!!!!!!!)

[pushka]

Lol, Yediyd....it's my Roman Catholic upbringing, some things just stick in your mind :)

[Guest Yediyd]

I love you, Pushka...You were right and I was wrong...but you didn't belittle me in my mistake or get all "high and mighty" in your responce and correction of it!!!!

THAT is refreshing on this board where unfortunately I have come to expect railing accusations when I say something that other's don't agree with!!!!

[pushka]

Aww, Yediyd, don't worry about that...I do try to refrain from belittling people if I can...I've had that done to me from other sites, and I know how humiliating it feels..Love you too, btw :)

[Guest Yediyd]

Aww, Yediyd, don't worry about that...I do try to refrain from belittling people if I can...I've had that done to me from other sites, and I know how humiliating it feels..Love you too, btw :)

Since you are a member of Open forum...check out my thread in the Adult advice forum about choosing the sex of your child if you want to see what I am talking about!!!!! EEEgats!!!!!! I stated when I posted that thread that if you don't agree with my method...than don't use it....but of course....some people just can't resist an opportunity to cut down and judge somebody eles!!!!!!

Thank you for not being one of those people!!!

[pushka]

Haha Yediyd!! I did check out that thread, and I did notice your advice to those who might disagree with you, and yes, I did notice the posts that ignored your advice!! Like you said, it always happens!

[Guest Yediyd]

Haha Yediyd!! I did check out that thread, and I did notice your advice to those who might disagree with you, and yes, I did notice the posts that ignored your advice!! Like you said, it always happens!

Not always...you are a breath of fresh air!!!!!

[Guest Yediyd]

Jehovah is Jesus.

Actually, I was under the impression that Yeshua was Jesus and YHVH was G-d the father. Icould be wrong, if I am could you show me where you get that Jehovah is Jesus?

BTW, Yeshua means: "Salvation" in Hebrew.

[CrimsonKairos]

Read this.

Also, I love how almost nobody realizes that the English name "Joshua" comes directly from the Hebrew "Yeshua" which later became "Jesus" in English. So technically, it's closer to the Hebrew to say "Joshua Messiah," than "Jesus Christ." But whatever, I'm used to saying "Jesus." And don't ask me how we got from the Hebrew word "Mashiakh" to "Messiah." I guess the English translators got tired of the gutteral "kh" sound (as in the Scottish word "loch").

Other fun facts: Solomon's Hebrew name is really pronounced like "Shlomo" (as in "sh-low-mow"). Moses' Hebrew name is really pronounced like "Moshe" (as in "Mow-sheh").

[Guest Yediyd]

Read this.

Also, I love how almost nobody realizes that the English name "Joshua" comes directly from the Hebrew "Yeshua" which later became "Jesus" in English. So technically, it's closer to the Hebrew to say "Joshua Messiah," than "Jesus Christ." But whatever, I'm used to saying "Jesus." And don't ask me how we got from the Hebrew word "Mashiakh" to "Messiah." I guess the English translators got tired of the gutteral "kh" sound (as in the Scottish word "loch").

Other fun facts: Solomon's Hebrew name is really pronounced like "Shlomo" (as in "sh-low-mow"). Moses' Hebrew name is really pronounced like "Moshe" (as in "Mow-sheh").

Thank you for that, CK...also...I WAS aware that Yeshua was Joshua, and of Shlomo and Moshe...you should read these AD Chronicals by Bodie and Brock Theone...you would enjoy them....unless you have, because all this information about the true pronounsiation (sp?) of the names are in the series.

[CrimsonKairos]

I'll have to look into those books. I was fairly certain you knew of those name origins, but I shared them for the benefit of the non-Ivrit speakers here. B)

[Guest Yediyd]

I'll have to look into those books. I was fairly certain you knew of those name origins, but I shared them for the benefit of the non-Ivrit speakers here. B)

Yeah, Ck...I truly LOVE the books by Body and Brock Thoene....You will too...I'm sure of it!!!!I'm reading the Zion covenent series now...AWSOME!!!!!

[Dr T]

Jesus called the Father Abba "Daddy" in a sense. Is that disrespectful?

[Guest Yediyd]

Jesus called the Father Abba "Daddy" in a sense. Is that disrespectful?

Do you consider it disrespetful when your child calls you, daddy?

[Dr T]

Not at all. I am a son of God so I have no problem spelling or saying the full "God, Christ, LORD, etc." words. Praise God for bringing me to him.

[Guest Yediyd]

I guess I just need to find ways to show G-d that I respect and reverance him...I see this as no different than saying "thee and Thou" during prayer.

[Dr T]

Thee and Thou are just old English and not anymore respectful in my book then, Father or God.

[Guest Yediyd]

Thee and Thou are just old English and not anymore respectful in my book then, Father or God.

Dr, T , take this as a compliment...I forgot that you are not LDS...In our church...we pray in old english to show respect to G-d....I see no difference in this as not writing out the name of g-d...It is just a gesture of respect, that's all.