Guest Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 ...But I don't think there is much use in debating the point either. So I'll let my opinions on the matter lie at this point. (Not that I'm saying I won't answer further questions or what-have-you...just that I don't feel particularly driven to prove I'm right this time. )ditto Quote
Guest Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 Traveler, Please make this easier on us. Were you looking for statistics or were you taking a survey of how people "felt" about the issue? Or perhaps a combination of both? Quote
Traveler Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Traveler, Please make this easier on us. Were you looking for statistics or were you taking a survey of how people "felt" about the issue? Or perhaps a combination of both? I will admit that from time to time I post a topic on the forum as what I would call a sanity check. There are several thinkers on this forum that I respect and I thought I would see how the wind in blowing in their kick of the woods and how they would defend their opinions. Like the Folk Prophet I have experienced a lot of culture drift. But my introduction to language and behaviors in the military was an eye opener. I am not sure that as far as what people will do when given an opportunity has changed much. But through the thread and my scripture study this last weekend - has caused me to have a radical change in my particular view. I had always thought that for a society to become ripe in inequity that they would be more evil - I am now thinking that is not the case. See my post in this thread #43. I outlined there that what I now think to be ripe in inequity and the difference as I posted there is now what is going on in society but the willingness to be open and not hide the evil because there are elements that support and honor those that dare to oppose that which is good and bring to light their evil and expect the world to congratulate them. Edited October 19, 2015 by Traveler The Folk Prophet 1 Quote
Guest Posted October 20, 2015 Report Posted October 20, 2015 ... I now think to be ripe in inequity and the difference as I posted there is now what is going on in society but the willingness to be open and not hide the evil because there are elements that support and honor those that dare to oppose that which is good and bring to light their evil and expect the world to congratulate them.So, is this really about your feelings regarding openly gay people, gay marriage and the number of Americans that are accepting of it? Quote
Guest Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Elder Holland gave this quote from an interview with Mother Teresa which I thought would be helpful. A journalist once questioned Mother Teresa of Calcutta about her hopeless task of rescuing the destitute in that city. He said that, statistically speaking, she was accomplishing absolutely nothing. This remarkable little woman shot back that her work was about love, not statistics. Notwithstanding the staggering number beyond her reach, she said she could keep the commandment to love God and her neighbor by serving those within her reach with whatever resources she had. “What we do is nothing but a drop in the ocean,” she would say on another occasion. “But if we didn’t do it, the ocean would be one drop less [than it is].”9 Soberly, the journalist concluded that Christianity is obviously not a statistical endeavor. He reasoned that if there would be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over the ninety and nine who need no repentance, then apparently God is not overly preoccupied with percentages. Quote
Traveler Posted October 21, 2015 Author Report Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) So, is this really about your feelings regarding openly gay people, gay marriage and the number of Americans that are accepting of it? NO! You completely missed the point - It is about first rejecting the direction given by the Prophets - ie the Proclamation to the World. Note that the Proclamation is not just a statement of doctrine but a prophetic warning if rejected - quite similar to (for example) Johna's proclamation to Nineveh (which by the way was not rejected). The second step that finalizes being "ripe in inequity" is to quiet the prophetic warning which is to support directly or indirectly those taking the steps to quiet the prophetic warning - It is my belief that this ripeness in inequity inevitably results in a "secret" alliance to kill the prophets. The "feelings regarding openly gay people, gay marriage and the number of Americans that are accepting of it" is just the justification for the rejection of the prophetic warning. As I attempted to point out - the prophets have already received death threats specifically related to the Proclamation. I am suggesting that we consider seriously (as did Elijah in conjunction with the priests of Baal) who we will serve. Edited October 21, 2015 by Traveler Quote
Guest Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 NO! You completely missed the point - It is about first rejecting the direction given by the Prophets - ie the Proclamation to the World. ...I see that I did completely miss your point, for which I apologize. But thanks for setting me straight. :) Quote
Traveler Posted October 21, 2015 Author Report Posted October 21, 2015 1960, 47? The wiki page does not include all of the shootings:http://listverse.com/2008/01/01/top-10-worst-school-massacres/ June 11, 1964 is not included etc. In any event, compare persecution of the early church compared to how good we have it now. I think the early church had it worse than we have it.Having it good is a function of what your are using to measure it. I feel that the era (50's & 60's) that I grew up in - that we had it much better than kids do now. For example the tuition for my first term in college was $250 and to rent a room for three terms was $300. Working summers at seasonal jobs a student could earn enough to pay for a year of college.and a used car - no one borrowed money. Plus dating at college was a blast and a load of fun - to meet someone new I would go "tracting" and pick up a lady I just met for a date on my way to what was planned for the evening. Quote
Guest Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 Having it good is a function of what your are using to measure it. I feel that the era (50's & 60's) that I grew up in - that we had it much better than kids do now. For example the tuition for my first term in college was $250 and to rent a room for three terms was $300. Working summers at seasonal jobs a student could earn enough to pay for a year of college.and a used car - no one borrowed money. Plus dating at college was a blast and a load of fun - to meet someone new I would go "tracting" and pick up a lady I just met for a date on my way to what was planned for the evening. Yes, it definitely depends upon what measure we use. But in terms of determining whether the United States is ripening in iniquity these aren't really useful measures, right? I mean nearly every generation of parents claims things are worse than when they were kids. Quote
Guest Posted October 21, 2015 Report Posted October 21, 2015 ...In any event, compare persecution of the early church compared to how good we have it now. I think the early church had it worse than we have it. Yes. Considering this and considering what Church leaders consistently say about this being a wonderful time for the Church how can we say otherwise. Quote
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