The Folk Prophet

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  1. The Folk Prophet

    Speaking as a train-lover...

    Haha. I noted the same thing.
  2. The Folk Prophet

    Speaking as a train-lover...

    The fact that there are larger injustices doesn't mean that lesser injustices aren't still worth being bugged by. Like when someone (back when CDs were a thing) stole my CD collection out of my car. It was only a few hundred dollars worth of CDs...but I was a poor college kid with no money...and I'd been collecting them for years and years. Yeah...perspective matters...but thieves and vandals should be severely punished. My suggested solution:
  3. The Folk Prophet

    Leviticus 21:16-23

    Kinda puts a different perspective on the simple request to wear a white shirt to pass the sacrament now, doesn't it? Which may, now that I think of it, be part of the point of ye olden day prescripts. And quite indicative of what a spoiled, selfish, needy, me me ME, culture we live in.
  4. The Folk Prophet

    Leviticus 21:16-23

    I wonder what 'broken' means here.
  5. The Folk Prophet

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    Well now it seems to me that A) you're defining "income" to mean only "money"...but income is much more than just money, and we most certainly will be working for personal income -- meaning personal growth and benefit -- which is the same reason for which we work to acquire money in mortality. And B) how do you know there won't be some sort of trade system that involves some sort of currency while we work towards omnipotence?
  6. The Folk Prophet

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    Primarily because you're trying to say, it seems, that Zion is a community effort rather than an individual one. But I think that is inaccurate.
  7. The Folk Prophet

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    Are you even trying to understand my point or are you just determined to win an argument? I'm not saying salvation isn't an individual matter. I'm saying it is ALSO related to Zion and community. Can you really not understand that? Can you not see that we must both be baptized and baptize others? That there's group involved in the process? And, likewise, Zion is not just a community thing, but is also an individual state of each person's heart, and is therefore ALSO an individual thing?
  8. The Folk Prophet

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    At the simplest level: because you cannot baptize yourself. At a more complex level: ideas as given in places like https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/128.17-18?lang=eng I'm a bit surprised that you cannot see how these two ideas are somewhat at odds with each other. Yes, we choose whether to be saved or not. But we cannot be saved on our own. Zion is, essentially, representative of salvation. If we don't have one (in the end), we won't have the other. Okay. 2 then. So you're confident that no 2 individuals are doing what they need to become Zion? Or is your consternation just that there's wickedness in the world in general? I'm pretty sure my having a job fits.
  9. The Folk Prophet

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    This statement is just as inaccurate as... ...this one. Because knowing and doing are not the same thing. So how many people does it take to achieve to Zion? 2? 20? 200? 2 million? What's the magic ratio of righteous to wicked? Isn't the answer in the question? Since you keep using "we", which includes me by default I felt the need to correct this statement. Maybe you have a lifestyle filled with a profession for the sake of just making more and more money. I work because it is my fatherly responsibility to be the breadwinner: "By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families." Consider me properly called to repentance on my failure to practice telepathy. As to the rest of your list... it seems like you're implying that because we won't, say...go on vacation as gods that we ought to never go on vacation in mortality. And who needs a job...because...you know...exaltation. Or am I missing something here?
  10. The Folk Prophet

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    This is one of those ideas that's easy to throw out as if it's fact without any ability to actually back it up with any sort of evidence or statistic. But I don't believe it.
  11. The Folk Prophet

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    I can see how I made it look one sided. What I meant to say is that those who are greedy, worldly, judgmental, what-have-you, etc. -- rich or poor -- are going to be a problem in or out of The United Order. But what you typically see is people without money complaining about how those with money should share more. So my point was simply that if anyone is doing such a thing, they're part of the problem. Anyone who's looking around at the members and judging whether their neighbor is being generous enough and claiming that's why we're not in a Zion state yet needs a bit more introspective consideration on the matter. The claim that we're not in a Zion state yet is practically too obvious to state. The question of how we move towards a Zion state has been answered ad nauseum by the scriptures, the prophets, lesson manuals, articles, etc. We study our scriptures. We have family study times. We do ministering. We serve in our callings and elsewhere. We go to the temple. Honestly if I were going to look and judge, I'd say a much larger indication of where we are can be seen in how many people tend to show up to help neighbors move in/out or something. In my last ward, for example, we had pretty good service turnout. But on a good day we'd get...maybe 10 show up to help for a move. It seems to me that short of literal "can't" that when there's such an opportunity, the whole ward ought to be turning out. But it never does. That being said, this thread has caused me to do some self-evaluation. My willingness to serve, etc., has taken somewhat of a nose dive in the past few years. I need to adjust.
  12. The Folk Prophet

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    Oh come on now. Does it really "hurt" them to take away 9 of their 10 solid gold cars? No one really needs more than one solid gold car.
  13. The Folk Prophet

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    But the reason we aren't ready, I think, isn't because we aren't willing to give our possessions to the church. I'd dare say that most faithful members, upon re-instigation of The United Order, would do so. The reason we aren't ready is because after doing so and then coming home with our modest home and our used car, we'd murmur and complain and criticize that Joe Neighbor next door came home with a slightly less modest house and a new car. And it's those who are clamoring for all things to be shared among the church who are the most likely, I think, to be the ones complaining when we aren't living their idea of how communal redistribution of wealth should work.
  14. The Folk Prophet

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    I think this that A) this has much broader meaning than you're supposing and B) you're defining "poor" all over the map. Which is it? Everyone's mortgage paid off? Or no homeless? And how much "homelessness" is within the direct church membership -- particularly where said individual goes to one's bishop in times of need? Seriously...where do you draw this line of what is "poor"? If we need to eliminate poor among the Saints then we need to understand where the line of being "poor" is, right? Is it about having needs met...or desires? If it's needs then we may be a lot closer than you're suggesting. If it's desires...then what desires count? TVs? Cellphones? Cars? Boats? A certain home size? Dishwashers? Microwaves? Define "poor".
  15. The Folk Prophet

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    You're treating a six-figure income like people did in the 80s...when that was the "good life". It's just not that way any longer. A basic starter home in Utah now-a-days runs around $300k. The so-called normal family homes in normal neighborhoods can push half a million.