Setheus Posted June 2, 2004 Report Posted June 2, 2004 "In scripture they are called God's enemies who oppose His rule, not by nature, but by vice; having no power to hurt Him, but only themselves. For they are His enemies, not through their power to hurt, but by their will to oppose Him.For God is unchangeable, and wholly proff against injury. Therefore the vice which makes those who are called His enemies resist Him is an evil not to God, but to themselves. And to them it is an evil, solely because it corrupts the good of their nature." "Mali enim nulla natura est: sed amissio boni, mali nomen accepit." Quote
Guest Starsky Posted June 3, 2004 Report Posted June 3, 2004 What does this mean? "Mali enim nulla natura est: sed amissio boni, mali nomen accepit." Quote
Setheus Posted June 3, 2004 Author Report Posted June 3, 2004 Roughly translated... "For evil has no positive nature; but the loss of good has recieved the name 'evil'." Quote
Setheus Posted June 3, 2004 Author Report Posted June 3, 2004 This makes me think. When we sin do we "create" evil or do we "remove" rightiousness? Like in physics. You can NOT create "cold". You can only take away the heat. So when we sin and the Spirit withdraws from us. Is that what it means? And the Spirit of the Lord does not withdraw from us all together. Lest we parish. That could go along with the fact that we can not reach "absolute zero". Hmmm wonder if there's something in that? I'm just off in left field tonight I think. But perhaps not? Quote
Tete Posted June 3, 2004 Report Posted June 3, 2004 does it matter? i think what does matter is to whom are you/we following and where are you/we want to end. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted June 3, 2004 Report Posted June 3, 2004 Originally posted by Setheus@Jun 2 2004, 07:31 PM Roughly translated..."For evil has no positive nature; but the loss of good has recieved the name 'evil'." Thanks ...interesting also... Quote
Guest Starsky Posted June 3, 2004 Report Posted June 3, 2004 Originally posted by Setheus@Jun 2 2004, 07:36 PM This makes me think. When we sin do we "create" evil or do we "remove" rightiousness?Like in physics. You can NOT create "cold". You can only take away the heat.So when we sin and the Spirit withdraws from us. Is that what it means? And the Spirit of the Lord does not withdraw from us all together. Lest we parish. That could go along with the fact that we can not reach "absolute zero". Hmmm wonder if there's something in that? I'm just off in left field tonight I think. But perhaps not? I think we remove righteousness...evil exists already and just is put in the place where the righteousness was or should be.I also believe there is no zero....until you reach the outer darkness.... Quote
Lindy Posted June 3, 2004 Report Posted June 3, 2004 Originally posted by Setheus@Jun 2 2004, 07:36 PMThis makes me think. When we sin do we "create" evil or do we "remove" rightiousness?Like in physics. You can NOT create "cold". You can only take away the heat.So when we sin and the Spirit withdraws from us. Is that what it means? And the Spirit of the Lord does not withdraw from us all together. Lest we parish. That could go along with the fact that we can not reach "absolute zero". Hmmm wonder if there's something in that? I'm just off in left field tonight I think. But perhaps not?For they are His enemies, not through their power to hurt, but by their will to oppose Him. For God is unchangeable, and wholly proff against injury. I think that when we sin...we remove rightousness from Him...not creating evil or becoming enemies of God with that sin. I'm sure that there are those who sin who would still give their life for their belief if need be. I wouldn't classify them as enemies of God just because of an indiscretion or a mistake in judgement.Therefore the vice which makes those who are called His enemies resist Him is an evil not to God, but to themselvesI would go farther with this statement by adding "and others". IMHO ESPECIALLY others. Quote
Setheus Posted June 4, 2004 Author Report Posted June 4, 2004 "O father ! and can thought conceive That happy souls this realm would leave, And seek the upper sky, With sluggish clay to reunite? This direful longing for the light, Whence comes it, say, and why?" Quote
Jason Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 "Lord make me chaste...but not yet!" (St. Augustine, Confessions) That's my favorite Augustine quote. Quote
Setheus Posted June 4, 2004 Author Report Posted June 4, 2004 Thats my new favorite too! What chapter is that in? I have not made it very far yet. Trying to read Confessions and City of God at same time. Quote
Guest Chell Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 Originally posted by ExMormon-Jason@Jun 4 2004, 03:18 AM "Lord make me chaste...but not yet!" (St. Augustine, Confessions)That's my favorite Augustine quote. Alright! now that is a quotable quote! Quote
Jason Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 I don't remember exactly where the quote is at, but it's just before his conversion. Quote
Jenda Posted June 4, 2004 Report Posted June 4, 2004 Originally posted by ExMormon-Jason@Jun 4 2004, 09:27 AM I don't remember exactly where the quote is at, but it's just before his conversion. I guess the Lord didn't listen to him, then. B) Quote
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