Paul Osborne

I've learned a lot about the church through Internet postings and whatnot. I don't post much on this forum because it's not a very comfortable place to hang out. Moderation is a little too heavy handed for me. I'm disappointed to see that my old friend Moksha got banned. Paul O

You got it beefche! Crank up Whole Lotta Love and forget about talking about the problems. Just let the music be the master and go for it. That is the advice I'd give to a couple that needs to spice up their dull relationship. It's a sure fire way to find enjoyment. One need not talk about it. Just do it. Crank it up! Paul O

Well, Pam, you need not respect my opinion about Led Zeppelin's labor of love. I'm not asking for that. It matters not to me whether people respect me or my opinions. I'm simply saying that my opinion is the best opinion and, that's my opinion. I honestly think that sex is the most important part of life and God wants it to continue and remain a hot topic for everyone. Led Zeppelin can help people feel sexy and that can add a lot of spice in any dull relationship. And, since Led Zeppelin was your first purchase it is certainly something that you will never forget. Paul O

Actually, Whole Lotta Love was recorded in 1969 and was new proof that Led Zeppelin was an emerging super group. They even appeared in the Salt Palace in Salt Lake City at about that time, I think it was their second US tour. The song Thank You on that album is simply beautiful. And yes, All of my Love from the In through the Outdoor is another wonderful song -- a good song for couples when having sex. I think Whole Lotta Love is great advice for every married couple that needs to spice up their private lives. Sex is important for marriage to be successful and too many marriages have poor sex lives because couples just don't know how to fix it. Self help books aren't always the answer. General Conference talks certainly won't help much in this arena. But listening to Whole Lotta Love will definately get the ball rolling between two loving persons. Right? Of course I'm right. Thank you Led Zeppelin for spreading the message of love! You see, it is all a matter of perspective! Paul O

It is a song known by millions and makes us think of love and the expression between persons who want to share love. Have you heard of the Stairway to Heaven? It makes us think of good things too. I love Led Zeppelin more than any other music, period. Always have and always will. It is my soul. Paul O

The most uplifting video I know of is Whole Lotta Love by Led Zeppelin because it makes me feel like I want to go to heaven and see God again, someday. There is no greater message than love and spreading love is God's way of doing things. Paul O

Look Pam, Styx is OK. I have their greatest hits and enjoyed them back in the day. But the best band that ever graced this planet is Led Zeppelin. My first opportunity to see them live was in July of 1977. That was truly one of the best days of my life. Paul O

Here is some source information from the Bible that teaches Jesus Christ is the Master of the Old Testament. I think it's worth book marking. Jehovah's Witness Paul O

I’m a cross between a conservative and a fundie. But I have a touch of moderate in me as well – as well as a touch of liberal. I agree with oaf1984 on the coke issue and feel that too many traditions such as partaking of the sacrament with the right hand may be a bit overboard. Personally, I drink coke all the time and also enjoy nonalcoholic beer. I don’t dress in suits very often but enjoy wearing colored shirts to church and often skip the tie. I’m a big time Led Zeppelin fan and enjoyed them a lot back in the 70’s – including seeing them live in concert. However, I’m pretty dogmatic about points of doctrine and insist that the commandments as generally spelled out in scripture and reaffirmed by the General Authorities be obeyed. I obey the WofW strictly and pay my tithes. Pornography is like scum in the bottom of the trash barrel covered by maggots. I have an absolute testimony of the prophet Joseph Smith and his successors, including Gordon B. Hinckley. I will die a faithful Mormon even if it kills me. Paul O

Thanks for your comments, friends. Indeed, I'm going to turn a new leaf about how I talk about religious differences on the Internet. Actually, I'm taking a little break. I've had so much contentious experiences over the years that I'm contentioned out. Some of the debates I've had were just knock down dragged out fist-fights - sort of fun but not spiritually helpful to my soul. The Internet can be a trap to contention if we ain't careful. Like I said, a new leaf for me is in order. With the new year I'm making some major life changes. I hope to participate more on the board later. Take care. Paul O

Lindy, Yes, I found out that the deleting of the threads was an error. I don't mean to bore you with my adventures but I was so disturbed that I had to tell someone - and what better place than the LDS Talk board, and a couple others too? Paul O

Well, I can understand your sentiments. Being a BofA apologist is no easy chore no matter how you go about it. I happen to see things differently than a lot of folks. Actually, I've come to learn there are a lot of LDS people out there that like the stuff I've published on my site. I get mail all the time to that effect. So, I guess that makes it worth it. If no one liked my stuff I'd probably fold up shop and not pay the cost to run a site that meets with no appreciation. Now, I've been reading in the gospels lately and have come to the realization that so many of us aren't as Christian as we think we are. That includes me because I've said a lot of hurtfull things to many people on the Internet. But, thank goodness I've said some good things too. But really, I did try and be decent over on that message board but was constantly barked at and the things they said about our church and prophets were just uncalled for. Some of those people over there are not Christians even though they profess to be. So, with that, have a good day, Snow. Paul O

Yes, by all those who lost the arguments. I say "lost" because it was so evident, more so than ever before in my experience in debating people about Mormonism. They were just rude and nasty, constanty foaming at the mouth with hatred towards Joseph Smith. Paul O

I felt hurt and wanted to tell others about it. I was hoping that maybe someone here will go there and tell them to go to hell for me. I didn't have the chance to do that because I was too nice. Paul O

Lindy, I joined that board and simply defended LDS principles and practices by using the scripture. I wasn't rude at all, perhaps a bit forward in my presentation - forthright and honest, but not rude. I talked about polygamy and how it was practiced in the Bible. They think that prophets in the Bible who practiced polygamy were not in keeping with God's law. I defended some of Joseph Smith's prophecies that they claimed failed. There were angles that they had not ever considered. Also, the Book of Abraham was defended from angles they had not considered. But, they couldn't stand the thought that God is not always invisible and that he is really a Man, as it says in the Bible. So, I've found that some Christians are really the meanest people around. Thanks for listening. I had to get this off my chest. Paul O

This is what the moderator said about me after being on my very best behavior on their board for just one week - and they deleted all my posts: "You are right at the top of the list as one of the most arrogant, rude, obnoxious, unreasonable, illogical and unscholarly Mormons we've ever had at this site." http://concernedchristians.org/board/index.php Paul O

I'm LDS. We're right and you're wrong. Paul O

Snow, Are you saying that God is not infinite? In case you don't know, the difference between finite and infinite is infinite. So, tell me one thing that God doesn't know. Are you able to do that? Will you tell me that there is something in the future that God doesn't know? The scriptures are clear. God is infinite and he knows everything - the end from the beginning. Paul O

No, but what I can say is that God is largely silent on the matter so we don't really understand what he knows of doesn't know or foresees or does not foresee. It's all find and dandy to say that God can "split time in the minutest fractions" but that's hardly a fact. It doesn't even make sense as far as I can tell. ← Snow, You don't know the power of God and you don't understand the scriptures. “His understanding is INFINITE.” (Ps 147:5) “In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” (Col 2:3) “He knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it” (2 Ne 9:20) “He has all power, all wisdom, and all understanding; he comprehendeth all things” (Alma 26:35) “The Lord knoweth all things which are to come” (W of M 1:7) “God knoweth all things, being from everlasting to everlasting” (Mor 7:21) “All things are present before mine eyes”) D&C 38:2 #1 "His understanding is INFINITE" (Ps 147:5) INFINITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge: (Col 2:3) ALL WISDOM--Infinite ALL KNOWLEDGE--Infinite #2 "His understanding is INFINITE" (Ps 147:5) INFINITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "He knoweth ALL things, and there is not anything save he knows it" (2 Ne 9:20) ALL THINGS--Infinite NOT EVERYTHING--Empty set #3 "His understanding is INFINITE" (Ps 147:5) INFINITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "He has all power, all wisdom, and all understanding; he comprehendeth all things" (Alma 26:35) ALL--Infinite POWER--Infinite WISDOM--Infinite UNDERSTANDING--Infinite #4 "His understanding is INFINITE" (Ps 147:5) INFINITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "The Lord knoweth ALL things which are to come" ALL--Infinite TO COME--Infinite #5 "His understanding is INFINITE" (Ps 147:5) INFINITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "God knoweth ALL things, being from everlasting to everlasting" ALL--Infinite Everlasting--Infinite #6 "His understanding is INFINITE" (Ps 147:5) INFINITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "ALL things are present before my eyes" (D&C 38:2) ALL--Infinite My eyes--Infinite #7 GOD IS INFINITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "God in heaven who is INFINITE and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting, the same unchangable God" Paul O

Now, Now Paul.... I've made it only this far in the thread and have to have my say now. You know I look up to you, BUT Jason isn't "a lost cause" no one is. And those 3 little words cut into my heart. I'm sure that everyone on this board has had a time in thier lives when they searched for more than they had at hand. Some found the answers they were looking for, some are still looking. But that doesn't mean they are "a lost cause". Don't you believe in "as far as it's translated correctly"? Everyone doesn't have to translate the same thing....the same way. I take a lot of things with a grain of salt, don't sweat the small stuff, kinda what Please had mentioned before. According to some....being LDS is "a lost cause" LOL.....story of my life.....I keep believing in what others consider lost causes. Oh well! I'm going to keep reading the thread now....... ← Well, I think most LDS will agree that Jason is lost and needs to be found - then we could all rejoice. I think also we could agree that his cause is not in the best interest of furthering God's work. There, does that sound a little better? Paul O

Jason, Go look up the references for youself. I'm not going to waste my time trying to convert you to anything. You're a lost cause. But others who read this thread need to know the other angle, but you are out of the loop. Duhhhh You want me to comment on how many Israelites came out of Egypt? Well, I know you don't believe everything you read, so don't put too much stock in those inflated numbers. Have a nice day, Jason. Paul O

JASON, YOU THINK YOU'RE SOOOOOOO SMART! You ain't that smart, pal. Do the math? I've done the math. How about YOU get an education! Here is a piece from my website: The Exodus after Israel's sojourn in Egypt for 215 years. The figure found in Exodus 12:40,41 of "430 years" for Israel's sojourn in Egypt is a gross error made by priests at the council of Jamnia (near Joppa) who compiled the Masorete (Hebrew) text in AD 90. Their translation which has survived in our present KJV Bible must be rejected as corrupted text. The Septuagint and Samaritan translations as well as Josephus account that the 430 figure is the time span between Abraham first entering Canaan and Moses leaving Egypt. New Testament teachings (Gal 3:16,17; Acts 7:6) support the reality that the Exodus occurred 430 years after God covenanted with Abraham in the strange land of Canaan. The 430 year period may be broken down into two periods: 215 years (Abraham enters Canaan to Jacob enters Egypt) + 215 years (Jacob enters Egypt to Moses leaves Egypt) = 430 years total Further examination of the traditional belief that Israel was in bondage for a full 430 years will prove that this is indeed an error. First, the prophet Joseph Smith by revelation revealed that the mortality of the earth prior to the second coming of the Lord would last some 6,000 years (D&C 77) plus the grand millennium for a total of 7,000 years before the earth is glorified. If we in the year 2000 AD choose to deny the Septuagint & Samaritan translations and opt for the Masorete, we therefore nullify the revelation of Joseph Smith because 6,170 years would have already expired. We know by further revelation that the Lord will "cut the work short" and that he will not exceed the time appointed but will actually reduce the years of the wicked generation (D&C 52:11). Another reason to reject the supposed 430 year Hebrew sojourn in Egypt is because the numbers don't reasonably add up. How can the four generations of Levi, Kohath, Amram, and Moses fit into a time span of 430 years? We learn in Ex 6:16-20 that Levi lived 137 years, Kohath lived 133 years, Amram lived 137 years, and Moses was 80 years old at the time of the Exodus. I have no problem believing the long life span of Moses' fathers, but the four generations just can't cover 430 years. Let us assume for the sake of argument that a 430 year period of Hebrew bondage was true. The following scenario is about the only mathematical way to make it work, but the outcome is absolutely ludicrous! Joseph was 39 when his older brother Levi (3rd son of Jacob) came into Egypt. Let us assume that Levi was 57 when he and his family settled in Egypt to begin the 430 year countdown: 1 Levi at age 57 settles in Egypt 80 Levi at age 137 begat Kohath and died that same year 213 Kohath at age 133 begat Amram and died that same year 350 Amram at age 137 begat Moses and died that same year 430 Moses at age 80 leads Israel out of Egypt Abracadabra! We now have 430 years in Egypt. But this is false! Paul O

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Jesus prophesied that Peter would deny him before the rooster would crow three times. The Spirit foresaw this in crystal clarity. The prophets in vision saw Jesus lifted up on a cross hundreds of years before it ever happened. Eternity is as one moment to the mind of God and yet he lives from day to day in his own sphere. Our Heavenly Father’s Father saw all things long before our Father became a God. There never was a time when an Almighty God didn't know all things because there are an infinite number of Fathers going back forever. Paul O

God lives in the moment but he sees and comprehends all eternity. His capabilities are far beyond our ability to comprehend. Can you imagine having to get in line with billions of his children just to spend a little time with him? No so. God can split time into the minutest fractions and spend time with all of his children. Exalted beings operate on a different plane. I believe the Lord sees the entire future but at the same time he lives in time. Can you say there is something the Lord doesn’t know about the future? Paul O