Paul Osborne

bizabra, You will always be one of my goddesses! Paul O

Peace,Don't bother. I understand the restored gospel and scriptures and you are being politically correct in your effort to kiss up against the world. The Book of Mormon is the standard by which we measure the world being the keystone of our religion. There are those who seek to tear down Zion. If you can't see it-- well-- I guess you can't see it. Paul O

Because, Cal, YOU said there was no evidence to support Joseph Smith. I gave you evidence. Go figure.Paul O

Well, hmmm, ok then-- let Cal open a new thread and explain to me how is it that Joseph Smith was able to get so many things right about the Hypocephalus and turn it into a symbolic window into heavenly things. I extend the same challenge to debate him as well as Stephen. In fact, I'll be all too happy to debate them at the same time and they can get all the help they want. If they don't want to debate me on this board, they are free to choose another board and send me an invitation. I'll be there with bells on and go over this matter point by point until the cows jump over the moon. I'll even come into their wasp nest and they can surround me with as many cronies as they like. I'll take them all on at the same time! Peace, I think you are being just a bit sensitive to my returns on Cal. TYou know this world is made up of a lot of personalities and it is limiting to have to restrain ourselves at every move to satisfy your personal code of conduct. However, since you are the moderator, it is your prerogative to dole out justice any way you like but that doesn’t make it necessarily right even though you think it is. Cal is not losing any sleep in me thinking he is a cheat. He has his opinions and I have mine. In the two threads I have been dealing with him, I think my replies were sharp but it isn’t like I told him he could go to hell or something like that. Yes, I like to post on this board but I can just as easily move on. Paul O

Peace, Yes, I am a little rude with people that try and tear down the LDS faith through the means of tricks and lies. I have demonstrated how Cal is doing this. It is an evil and reprehensible thing to try and tear down the faith of the Latter-day Saints. Elder Mark E. Peterson more or less said those people are faith killers and the Book of Mormons says they will be thrust down into hell unless they repent. Is this an LDS board? I’m not going to stand by and watch people tear down my faith by means of deceit. I’d rather get booted than not stand up for what I believe in and point out the truth. Paul O

Not when someone attacks my prophet, as Cal does. I’m not going to let him get away with it and try and make everyone assume he has something over the prophet which overthrows my religion. Cal is not dealing with a full deck and is trying to trick us into thinking our prophet was false. I'm not going to stand for that. The Book of Mormon has some pretty tough things to say about people like that. The Book of Mormon is more aggresive than me, by far. Shall I quote from it? Paul O

Not really. It was easy. You don't realize how easy it is to see right through you. No special credit is due me.You don't worry about my salvation. That's a fact. Paul O Cal,What gift? What is it that you see in me that I have not revealed? You have no gift. You say one thing and you mean another. That is twofaced in my view. You are not at all concerned with my salvation. I called you on that and you were left speechless. Paul O

Cal,The sensen argument is irrelevant to this facet of the BofA discussion and can be handled separately. Stay on topic, Cal. Whether Joseph Smith was wrong about something else makes little difference to whether he was right about the points in question. Aside from the sensen issue, you say that the "rest" of my material is pure wishful thinking and speculation on my part; prove it! You're just talk and don't know what you're talking about! Show me how Joseph Smith was wrong in demonstrating his keen insight of things Egyptian within the Hypocephalus as he tied it to the gospel. Let’s start with the Four Quarters-- YOU show me how Joseph Smith got it wrong and I will concede that he was a false prophet and you have shown me up here on the board. Otherwise, you automatically withdraw your claim against the prophet by default seeing you have nothing to say other than you think he got it wrong based on the idea that he got something else wrong. You have a big bark but no bite, Cal. Now is your big chance to show how Joseph Smith got it wrong and was duped in giving us a sign through the Hypocephalus as confirmed by expert testimony given by Egyptologists. The prophet gave this sign to all the world and YOU can’t refute it: FACSIMILE No. 2 FIGURE 6, EXPLANATION "Represents this earth in its four quarters." (Joseph Smith) Egyptian iconography of the four sons of Horus (son of Osiris) is portrayed in figure six of the LDS papyrus Facsimile No. 2, from left to right: 1. Imseti (man headed) 2. Hapy (baboon headed) 3. Duamutef (dog headed) 4. Qebehsenuef (hawk headed) QUESTION How does the image of four Egyptian gods represent the "four quarters" or rather the four cardinal points of north, east, south, and west, as explained by the prophet Joseph Smith? PAUL'S ANSWER The coffin of the deceased was a symbolic representation of the physical world which encased or surrounded the body of the blessed dead. Under the coffin was the earth god called Geb and above the coffin was the sky goddess (wife of Geb) called Nut. The four sons of Horus were guardians of the world coffin and each god was posted at a corner of the coffin as divine sentinels of the world. This imagery is also paralleled in John's Book of Revelation when the four angels control the four directional winds of the earth at the four corners thereof (Rev 7:1). Some Middle Kingdom coffins demonstrate the religious four cardinal points of the four sons of Horus that take their place at the four corners of the coffin. EGYPTOLOGY PROVES JOSEPH SMITH'S INTERPRETATION "The Four Sons of Horus had various other relationships. Geographically, Imsety was linked with the South, Hapy with the North, Duamutef the East, and Kebehsenuef the West." (The Ancient God's Speak a Guide to Egyptian Religion; Aidan Dodson, edited by Donal B. Redford, p. 134) "In the panel nearest the head end on the left side of the box the painted eyes look out over the bolted doors of the dead man's eternal dwellings…the house coffin and its deceased occupant were thought of as ringed about and protected by a special set of tutelary divinities, whose individual stations and responsibilities had already been established by ancient tradition...The four corners of the coffin are watched over by the so-called Genii of the dead, Imsety and Hapy paired on either side of the shoulders of the mummy, Dewau-mautef and Kebeh-snewef flanking the legs" (The Scepter of Egypt; Egyptologist William C. Hays, former Egyptian Curator of NY Metropolitan Museum; p. 314) "A further strip of text usually extended along the (coffin) lid. This invoked the goddess Nut, the sky-deity whose body spanned the heavens, and who swallowed the sun at evening, giving birth to it again at dawn. It was significant for the conceptual interpretation of the coffin, which came to be regarded as a microcosm of the world, its lid symbolizing the heavens." (The Mummy in Ancient Egypt; Egyptologist Salima Ikram & Aidan Dodson & Illustration; p197) "Connected with one of the forms of Horus, originally, were the four gods of the cardinal points, or the 'four spirits of Horus,' who supported heaven at its four corners; their names were Hapi, Tuamutef, Amset, and Qebhsennuf, and they represented the north, east, south, and west respectively." (Egyptian Ideas of the Afterlife; E.A. Wallis Budge p. 107) "The four pillars of the sky in still later times represented the Four Cardinal Points, and the pillars were thought to be kept in position by the four gods who stood by them. These four gods were the Children of Horus, who were called Amset, Hap, Tuamutef, and Qebhsenuf. Each god ruled over one quarter of the world". (The Book of the Dead; E.A. Wallis Budge, p. 130,131) "In one passage they are called the four Khu's of Horus and originally they represented the Four Horus gods, who held up the four pillars which supported the sky, or their father Horus. Each was suppose to be lord of one of the quarters of the world, and finally become the god of one of the cardinal points, Hep represented the north, Tuamutef the east, Amset the south, and Qebhsenuf the west." (E.A Wallis Budge; The Book of the Dead, p. 192) Paul O

Not really. It was easy. You don't realize how easy it is to see right through you. No special credit is due me.You don't worry about my salvation. That's a fact. Paul O

Cal, The sensen is not in question here. I’m talking about the Hypocephalus and the things Joseph Smith revealed which are in agreement with modern Egyptology. Joseph Smith could not have done those things unless he was an Egyptologist or inspired of God. You have not refuted anything I have submitted. You have dodged the issue and failed to show how Joseph Smith was wrong in the many points I have raised. These matters are not wishful thinking but FACTS and I have laid them nice and neatly so even a simple thinking person such as yourself can understand it. Apparently you are not up to the task or perhaps, you are afraid. I’m not afraid. I’ll take you on at every point and every turn. I’ll devote my every muscle and fiber into showing you up. You will lose. Paul O

Cal,You’re not worried. You’re just saying that. You don’t believe that man can fall. At least, I surmise that from things you said in your other posts. See, I caught you. It’s real easy to do. Paul O

Cal, Be careful what you wish for. Don't underestimate Heavenly Father's ability to hear your every word, as he will test your resolve, in his own time and the place of his choosing. Paul O

Cal, <span style=\'color:red\'>You’re wrong!! I submit evidence to show that Joseph Smith used the Hypocephalus (Facsimile No. 2) as a sign to show his wisdom and understanding of Egyptian things as he connected them to the true gospel of Abraham. I challenge you to refute it, if you think you can. Otherwise, you loose your argument. for Critics of the Hypocephalus See also: Four Sons of Horus http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id12.htm The Crown of Light http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id13.htm The Lunar Crown http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id46.htm The Composite Scepter http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id47.htm The Eyes of God http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id48.htm Star Ship 1000 http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id49.htm The Key of Power http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id65.htm The Dove of God http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id66.htm Abraham's Alter http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id67.htm Oliblish http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id68.htm Kolob http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id69.htm Throne of God http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id76.htm Star Cow http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id71.htm Power of God http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id523.htm Paul O

Cal, I'll be sure to watch my step. Thanks for the heads-up. Paul O

Cal, I can’t prove anything to anyone unless perhaps I perform a sign or a miracle before your very eyes, but that might not even be enough. Besides, I’m only really concerned with my own skin and if others fail to understand the truthfulness of the restored gospel-- I’m not going to loose any sleep over it. Besides, I’m self centered and really only care about my self, and my family too, a little, anyway. I have what I have and I’m very fortunate to have rose to that level. I hope you can do the same, someday. If not-- oh well. It's not my loss. Paul O

Indeed! I have dozens of pictures of soldiers I downloaded from A SOLDIERS BLOG. I use them for screen savers. US soldiers are awesome! Paul O

Outshine, I love your positive attitude. :) Truthfully, I learn more about the mysteries of the papyrus when I am challenged and have to think these things through. By the way, do you think we are about to catch Bin Laden? It will be one of the happiest days of my life and I will take my wife out for dinner on the day we catch or kill him. It will be like the wicked witch of the west being drenched in water. I have prayed many times that he be brought to justice very soon. I hope the Lord answers this prayer with a "yes". Paul O

Cal, I’m a pretty independent thinker and like to speculate about a lot of things. I’m a free sort of soul and sometimes a bit rebellious. Regardless of all that, I can assure you that I would not be doing the Mormon thing unless God himself had told me to do so and gave me signs. Otherwise, I couldn’t be bothered with the whole so-called Mormon dilemma. But, as it is, God gave me too much to deny his work through Joseph Smith. It really is true. Paul O

Actually, I really don’t like fighting about it with my own LDS brethren-- but I am desperate to ascertain what really happened by exploring the possibilities based on the facts at hand. The answers are obtainable. Stimulation of the mind is... :) Paul O

Stephen, As you should know, religion in general is a speculative science and man tries to interpret what information has been given to us in what we call, ‘scripture’. Take the Book of Revelation, for example, or Isaiah, or another prophet who wrote and acted in manners we do not experience-- yet we try to interpret the best we can in a world of speculation. I’m more than prepared to handle your complaints against my work in supporting the Book of Abraham as an inspired book given to us by God. Since you have read “all” of the information on my website, I will anticipate you to maintain a discussion on a level that exceeds your predecessors who have debated me in the past. The ball is in your court. Open a thread if you like and challenge me. I will take you down very easily, and enjoy it too. Paul O

To my knowledge I have no memory of ever reading Joseph Smith saying such a thing yet I hear about it all the time in Mormon culture. If someone can provide the actual citation, I will gasp. Paul O

TEE HEE have a great day! Paul O

Thank you Ray. I feel sure that the multitude of homosexuals who frequent this board will read your post and quickly see the error of their ways and become heterosexual. bzzzzzzzzzzzz a multitude, indeed. May God help us all. Paul O

O God help me. Another gay thread. Paul O

A bottle of tranquilizers and a refill. God knows I can't live without them. Paul O