Paul Osborne

Joseph Smith was a liar. He said people live on the moon. The don't. Was he not serious? Antishock, Would you please allow Joseph Smith to have some opinions about things that may not make any sense from a physical scientific viewpoint? He was a man of his times. Cut him some slack. God knows every prophet since the beginning of the world has said outrageous things. Prophets are not divine and neither are they perfect but YOU expect them to be just that or they don’t fit your expectations. Prophets since the beginning of the world have said things to upset people and disappoint them. Even Jesus was considered a fool by some people who were glad to see him nailed to a cross. How about you stop hating Joseph Smith so much? You will feel better for doing so. Paul O

Antishock, Frankly, both you and me (Cal too) at times are full of it. We all say and do dumb things during our lives. That is what makes us human. Joseph Smith must have said dumb things too or he wouldn't be human-- perhaps a man from the moon? Prophets have strong opinions about things. So do I. And, so do you too. Paul O

Because Joseph Smith was of the opinion that there were living inhabitants living on worlds in yonder space. Brigham Young shared the same opinion. What’s the big deal, Antishock? Not every little sentence that comes out of our prophet’s lips have to be divine utterances. They are men and have every right to act and be men too. They share opinions and have wild ideas just as everyone does. Unfortunately it is people like YOU that have ruined it for the prophets in our day because every little itsy bitty word that comes out of their mouths get scrutinized to the point that if there is even the slightest flaw in any opinion-- lo, they are false prophets. People like you have ruined my prophet’s right to just be a regular guy. Poeple like you are trapping him into a box where he can’t speak his own mind!! Now, what have you to say for yourself now? Paul O

Oh yeah? Well you're ugly. Confused is only temporary but ugly lasts forever! Oh, you're just a confused woman. Men are smarter than woman and more superior too. Paul O

Prove what? Read Genesis. Then read President Hinkley's comments. It proves itself. Post them and I'll read them. You’re the one who made the accusation, yet you provide no source. Paul O

Thank you Cal. Your're a real pal. <snort--sniff> aaaahhh. Paul O

Cal,Go pick on Moses. Joseph Smith is my buddy. Paul O

Prove what? Read Genesis. Then read President Hinkley's comments. It proves itself. your confused. Paul O

Yes Bat, I liked the song. My last reply got edited out [ snip ] Paul O

I’m convinced the Church is true and the Holy Ghost has made that perfectly clear, particularly a few undeniable times. Yes, I’m convinced. If you want to drop out of the race or not join-- oh well. It’s your choice. We all choose our own destiny. I’m sticking with Mormonism until my last breath, so help me God. Paul O

Maybe men do live on the moon. I don't know. I can't see them and neither can anyone else. I keep an open mind. Just because we can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.Paul o

I can see my little ball flew right over your head. Oh well. Can't win em all. Paul O Your "little ball" didn't fly anywhere. President Hinkley was lying. Abraham was not. There's no comparison between the two situations. prove it. Paul O

Yes, and every word that comes forth from the prophet's mouth is a divine utterence because he was perfect just like Jesus and never made a mistake or made a wrong assumption. Paul O

Duh....of course they can. All they have to do is have sex with the opposite sex silly. Why would they want to do that? Wouldn't they get grossed out? Paul O

That's right, Bat. And, I'm not going to drive any other car but mine. Paul O

Cal,Those warm loving feelings of the Mormon Holy Ghost are worth more than anything else I can imagine. Since the Holy Ghost told me it's true, it has to be true regardless of any evidence that might suggest otherwise. Besides, you wouldn't want to ruin my wonderful little fantasy; would you. Paul O

Snow, You better be right about sanctuaryave’s ill inttentions or I deem you utterly pitiful and you have made a fool of yourself, as usual. sanctuaryave, I wouldn’t put much stock into Snow’s behavior in this thread-- it certainly doesn’t represent the average Mormon response. How about you cut and paste his replies and forward them to your brother? Let your brother set the record right on Snow. Gads, when it snows it snows. Someone call for a plow. Gee- wiz. Paul O

ect..Wow thanks for the info. It is a lot to digest. I have copied it so I can study it in the morning(I am at work currently) I went to see the movie The TESTAMENT the other day at the visitors center in Kirtland and I must say it was very moving. I have begun to look at the BOM more closely. I also have a brother who is a Mormon Elder with which I have had some discussions. Some of the information I have has come from him and a member of the local priesthood with whom I have been having discussions. I know that there are a world of people out there that want to make horrible remarks and argue just for the sake of argueing. I am asking because I am interested in knowing the truth. I sense that my questions are making people uncomfortable and I apologize for that. It was not my intent. I have asked these questions locally and and have gotten a sense that they are questions they shouldnt talk about. Again I am sorry for causing discomfort or concern. I will seek the answers I need in some other way. Please accept my apologies. sanctuaryave,Hang in there. Put your faith in Christ, desire to know all truth, and keep an open mind. The Internet can be confusing sometimes as we communicate with so many people. I hope you find out for yourself that the Book of Mormon is true. It is true. I found out for my self by the overpowering feelings of the Holy Ghost. Paul O

Sara was his sister you goofball. I can see my little ball flew right over your head. Oh well. Can't win em all. Paul O

Antishock,The KJV can kiss my ___. Your little tricks won't work with me. Remember, I'm way too smart to fall for your tricks. I prefer other Bible versions: I am the one who creates the light and makes the darkness. I am the one who sends good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things. NLT Copyright 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.' NKJV Copyright 1982 Thomas Nelson The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these. NASB copyright 1995 Lockman Foundation I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD, who do all these things. RSV Paul O

Antishock,I just popped in. I haven't read the thread accept for the first post. You wonder how a just God could allow such a horrible thing. Which do you prefer; a just God who allows such things or no God where everything goes and no justice or rewards are met in an afterlife? What do you think has become of that little girl? Paul O

Bat, You hit the nail on the head. It’s all about faith. It’s all about testimony and who thinks they know what about what. I’m so sure about what I am doing with Mormonism and the manifestations given me that I am going to stick it out until my last breath even if they find a letter written by Joseph Smith saying he faked everything. I can’t wait to be vindicated for having followed the right God. That will be soooo sweet. Cal, soon I’ll be dead and you too. We aren't getting any younger. Paul O

My personal favorite argument. Hey, a monkey eats his own feces so you know it has to be natural. Good thinking! Gross!! Paul O

Cal,My God is bigger than your god! Paul O

AFDaw, Thanks for sharing your history and testimony. You have really put Antishock in his place. He's toast now. Paul O