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Wonder what the variables that go beyond age are? Socio/economic status has a lot to do with health. When I was in high school when a SallyRally girl got pregnant she just aborted the kid. When one of the girls who smoked behind the cafe across the street got pregnant she had the baby. The former group tended to come from comfortable middle class homes while the latter came from lower income working class homes. Maybe the important variable when doing these studies is not age after all. Also, I am not a big fan of teens getting pregnant but God did design females to be at their reproductive prime at 18.

NAMBLA comes to mind.

Please show where and do remember what Jesus and most of the prophets were killed for doing.

No need, many prominant people used cocaine in the 19th. Century and early 20th. Century -- it was legal...it was even in some soft drinks. Narcotics of all types were legal as well. Didn't mean they were good to use, just that they were legal. Now here's the catch on Edison...would he have invented and modified so many things if he'd been drugged? Jung and Einstein hated school and didn't perform well -- were they suffering from ADHD? Perhaps high intellect is not associated with true mental illness -- that's a myth like weak, nerdy-looking people are smarter than average. ANd if lots of people with "ADHD" are smart then maybe the symptoms of ADHD need to be questioned. http://www.cta-usa.org/market/image.php?productid=108 Call to Action - Sophia's Market - View All Items - CTA Shirt: Question Authority - Jesus Did.

Wow, that's what evolutionists say about scientists who question evolution.

Pushka, interesting test you shared. Since answering 20 "yes" indicated ADHD I just stopped answering once I hit 20. I enrolled two of my sons in a special high school program which strongly emphasized creativity and advanced learning concepts. The school had won several major awards and was recognized as one of the best in the region. One of the teachers (for fun) sent out one of these tests to the staff and asked them to take it. Every teacher except one "passed" as having ADHD. The common characteristic of the teachers? Independent, creative, unconventional and highly intelligent. No wonder they tested positive!!!! One thing I learnt in grad school was that intellect, to be properly used, has to be highly focused and the most successful high-intellect people had to be able to apply extreme focus to the things they were interested in. Opps, another characteristic of ADHD. Now let's take a look at evolution (I am going to leave God out of this since if we assume God is there then He gave us the traits we have and expects us to use them, not dope them out of existence). The human brain evolved to solve problems and multi-task in order to overcome the disadvantage of having one of the weakest mammal bodies in the woods. Our young have to play to learn -- just as all mammal do...as they mature they use the skills they learn to apply them to survival (gathering food, eventually raising food, acquiring mates and killing beasts for food). The brain then is designed to survive in a state of nature. Now if the school environment is contrary to nature then the brain cannot be faulted for being uneasy in this situation. So drugging that brain is an effort to change the course of nature into something unnatural. Now it could be argued that so is a nun slapping you with a ruler if you act up and that is true -- however, what has the least physiological damage Sister O'Brian smacking you in class or dopping you with drugs that people here admit are more powerful than having expresso hooked up into your veins 24/7? Then again, we could apply advanced learning techniques into the factory system we call public education (high conformity expected, mediocracy accepted as the norm) but that might cost more than dopping kids. Migu commented: Now this is really ironic. Major drug companies finance tons of websites and groups to promote the idea of ADHD being real and drugs being good yet most people just accept what they say. Yet if you question the profit-motivation of drug companies it's as if you question God Himself. Now since you attack the "right wing" do you not see the irony???The right is generally promoted as "pro-business" yet here you have an expert being subjected to questioning of his credentials even though he questions business. Edward Bernays would be proud.

Okay everyone -- Mohammed married a young woman who was 9 years old (waited until puperty to consumate the marriage so probably waited until around 13) and he was in his late 40s or early 50s at the time. Isaac was 40 when he sought to marry Rebecca who was 10 years old. Question: Was Isaac and Mohammed child molesters? And beware of the thing about "that was then, this is now" because if we are talking morality then that must be based on God's teachings and God doesn't change the basic concepts.

Actually Goebbles (who based his societal indoctrination plan on the book "Propaganda" .. written by Edward Bernays) said that to win a point you just repeat it over and over again with conviction (doesn't matter if it is true or not) and people will accept it.

I was talking with a friend of mine who is Muslim yesterday and brought up the debates going on around the FLDS and the issue of age and marriage. He certainly did not see Mohammed as a child abuser for marrying a 9 year old. Both of us agreed that many of the PC crowd were too scared of being called "intolerant" to make such a claim even if they thought it was true though.

Mohammed married a girl when she was 9 years old (although did not have relations with her until she reached puberty). He was not a child molester.

Very good reading: PBS - frontline: medicating kids: does adhd exist?

I think there are some kids who are so off the scale that intervention is needed but this guy seems to be more correct than not: Ritalin Debate: Some Experts Doubt Existence of ADHD -- 04/18/2003

I would argue as to whether questioning the premise of ADHD is insensitive but to comply with your wishes I will not debate this here but instead open up a topic in the general discussion section.

Interesting article: ADHD among American Schoolchildren And... CNN - ADHD may be overdiagnosed, study says - September 1, 1999 There seems to be quite an emotional debate in education and psychology over issues like proper diagnosis of ADHD, treatments, etc. The rate of use of drugs like ritalin has grown geometrically in the last decade and a half and is causing concern as to long-term consequences. Personally, I find it troubling that some areas of the country have huge numbers of young boys being diagnosed with this "disorder" and being put on stimulants that may have adverse side-effects (and which many of these kids now have parents swiping the ritalin and becoming addicted to it). I am also troubled that if you go to Asian nations or places like Sweden or Russia you don't find very many kids diagnosed with this and yet their schoolkids out-perform our's quite easily (maybe in Asia and Russia kids don't dare act up in school or else the penalties are quite severe -- and one wonders if that's a bad thing). Then again, in Sweden which is very non-punishment oriented there too one finds few kids diagnosed with "DAMP" and strict guidlines on how extreme cases should be treated. Personally, if a kid needs a stimulant to be focused why not pack a Mountain Dew in his lunch? How about classrooms that don't bore someone to tears? And for once why don't we recognize that small children naturally need to burn energy off and it's not natural for them to sit quietly? Brigham Young condemned mothers who gave their little ones alcohol to quiet them down in church meetings. Wonder how he'd feel today with the drugs being prescribed for kids.

I have heard that it's done in Florida. Also, how long would some white boy last thrown in with a group of Bloods?

Why? If you have all singles together you'll have large numbers of all ages so you (if you are 35 or 18) won't get these comments. I think you miss the point -- a 30-something male is going to quit going to singles events if they aren't going to meet women in their marriagable age group. So more than likely they will meet non-members of that age grouping. Females who are in their late 20s are going to feel like there are no guys their age who are interested in them in the under-30 group so they too will quit and probably wind up married to non-members. Simple demographic facts.

Isn't it strange that we have an "epidemic" of ADHD in the USA yet other advanced nations (Sweden, Russia, China, Japan, etc.) don't and they kick our collective behinds in academic performance? And why the heck does Utah have so many people on ritalin? Is it because we project our expectations of quietness/reverence into the school environment or do people in Utah just trust corporate America, school administrators and the like more than they should?

Okay, so let's get this straight, this judge is forcing the prisons to be race-blind in placement of prisoners? I think the judge should be required to live in a California prison for at least a week (and be randomly placed) to get a picture of the real world. Hope that families of prisoners hurt and kiled due to this ruling sue the state of California for everything it has. California ready to integrate prison cells - On Deadline - USATODAY.com Now get a load of this: Oh, that's right -- but if they were so intelligent and socially competent in the first place then why are they in jail????

Perhaps, but while I generally rely upon studies to make my points here I have to offer anecdotal evidence as well (as your's are). My impression is that many women in the Church would rather not talk about such issues with men they do not know personally. I have personally known female members with a rather liberal view on what is appropriate to view on TV or the internet and I have known plenty of non-member females who have liberal attitudes on such things. Also, the studies indicate that most women involved in such activities are not chronic users so they probably aren't going to call themselves addicts, unless they belong to a religion that presents use as automatic abuse. Then again, who knows, even the 10 Commandments doesn't prohibit a woman from coveting a man, and there is no punishment in the OT for a certain other activity often presented in internet sites, so maybe women are programmed differently, who knows? Definitions and perceptions in the mind of the individual will determine if he or she will see ANY action as good, bad or something in-between.

Commentary?

Perhaps, but how many assults, rapes and murders have been commited by Ted Bundy since he got the chair?

Texas CPS officials react to court's ruling that children must be returned to parents.

Hey, anyone out there know any single 20-somethings that you could try to hook up Checkerboy with?:)

BYU News - ReleaseThis is one study done by a BYU professor -- I do not know the religious or regional backgrounds of the people researched. While porn use is higher with men, and while frequent consumption is higher with men, women are both accepting of porn as well as using it. Perhaps in the areas Palerider is dealing with if females are using porn occasionally, and only a small number are using it daily, they don't consider it a problem while those males who want to use it every day see it as a problem. Results of another survey: Porn Addiction Flooding Culture, Church | Christianpost.com

You'd think, but actually his demographic is college educated young people. I think it's the gladiator game mentality -- we all think gladiator games in the Roman era were horrid yet most people, if given the opportunity to travel back in time, would go see a gladiator game. Come on, you know it's true.