annewandering
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Did Joseph Smith ever show anyone exactly where it was? If not then a search would devolve into a massive ground moving effort since there is no clear destination pinpointed. Would it make sense to rip the area appart looking for it?
Would any owner even LET people do that?
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A religious bed and breakfast! Maybe they ought to advertise it that way instead of making their customers think mormons are nuts!
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It seems that over time, Blacks have preferred the term "African American", and so that's what I tend to use.
Now, the only way that I see that a person would be offended being called a "Liberal Mormon" was if he were a conservative, and vice versa. It can be tricky because we interpret others in our own light and not necessarily how they see themselves. I lean towards being less conventional, so it's only fitting for others to refer to me as being a Liberal, etc -- it's not offensive. But if someone said, "Hey, you're really conservative," I'd be like what!? -- I am not! Really? It would be a first, I admit.
If you refer to black people as 'blacks' dont walk unprotected in Harlem. that has slavery connotations you just really dont want to use. Its like calling black men 'boy'.
I have been called conservative by my son back when he was trying to reconcile my faith with my liberal politics. He was TRYING to be nice but I was insulted.
Orthodox LDS dont try to reconcile the world to their beliefs. I consider myself orthodox even though I wont stand at a restaurant table and refuse to be seated until the coffee cups are removed. My husbands first wife's parents actually did that. Very embarrassing I hear.
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Can you explain that a bit further?
This article in the Ensign has a talk by Gene R. Cook discussing this topic.
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1980/10/miracles-among-the-lamanites?lang=eng
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lol The time we had an 'issue' with this we found a side pew with NO one in it. Imagine our surprise when we were told the pew was taken! They told us we had to move because it was THEIR pew. And no there were no coats etc. After all EVERYONE important already knew it was their pew.
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Is the woman getting mental health help with her issues? Lonely or not she needs to be at least evaluated. For your sake, everyone she comes in contact with, and for herself.
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Considering that was in an area close to fundamentalist breakoffs, there might be some influence from them. In fact are you sure they are LDS mainstream?
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blah. Does it even matter any more?
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I grew up in an LDS small town. My grandfather, who lived on the ranch with us, was antimormon. My parents were inactive. My brothers and I were outcasts, perhaps due, in part, to my fathers heavy smoking habit, which he conquered later.
Hardly a hopeful beginning. Yet despite this I never doubted the gospel was true. It is not like I see miracles of angels etc every day. Or ever for that matter! It is the peace and occasional more direct touching of the spirit in my life that reinforce my belief. It is not an amazing conversion story but it is mine and it is true.
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Moroni would have been Caucasian which is white. I am going to back off the white. There are no races. Except maybe Gold?
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This thread has raised more issues than answers. With the black issue, it was pretty evident that the scriptures were against it from the beginning, and that everything is all better now.
It was?
But with this, there is no clear doctrine or explanation. JS kept various marriages secret, its not clear why he got married at all. Several of the marriages were with married women. The easiest explanation is that he made up the doctrine simply to rationalize his lustful behavior. There just isn't enough information about his wives either. You'd think we be able to get some first hand accounts of the practice, of what reasons JS gave them.
It is very clear why he married. God told him to.
After all if he said "I want to marry you because you don't have a husband, and God has revealed that having a husband is necessary for exaltation." But then we see evidence that he married married women.
This is a curious thing and I dont know why but it seems to me that Joseph was learning a LOT of gospel principles in a very short period of time. He may not have understood what was to be done, exactly. Or he might have known something we dont. I can think of a number of possible reasons but I guess we will just have to trust God that if it is important we will learn why. Is it important?
Most things in doctrine we end up boiling down to faith. Even the simple things. Explanations and deep discussion can be interesting but in the end it is a matter of faith.
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I thank anyone that says something that I like or that is thought provoking. People that speak from the heart especially get thanks.
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If raising up seed or having children was the main reason why do so many members argue that Joseph Smith only had children with Emma. Why have 33 wives if you're only having children with one wife?
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Good question. I actually suspect much of the reason was to separate out the LDS people from the general population. It drew them together in a way that would not have been possible most any other way. It also got them out to Utah where the church could grow and mature with little outside influence. When we were strong, gone through the fire as it were, then it was no longer so important to be separate.
Of course that is pure speculation on my part.
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Seems odd to order something and then take it away again. Where did this idea come from? How did Joseph Smith explain it? How did his wives explain it?
I dont think it was a case of allowing since He commanded Joseph Smith to practice it. Joseph Did NOT like the idea despite all the antimormon rhetoric about it. He fought against it for quite awhile till God told him to knock it off and quit stalling. I think Joseph was terrified to tell Emma. He knew darn well she was going to be ticked.
Many of the problems that cropped up later were directly attributable to the fact that Joseph fought the idea so long and when he finally did as he was told he hid it for a time leading to all sorts of weird and sick speculation.
I dont think most people bothered asking his wives. Emma was not thrilled though. Probably as much, in my opinion, because she was kept in the dark as the actual practice. Big mistake, husbands, to keep big secrets from wives.
As far as why God said do it then take it away, we can only speculate. Truth is He wanted it done and then He decided it was time to end the practice.
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A lot of us can relate to this. My dad died of cancer. We knew for nearly a year before hand the cancer was terminal.
The easiest thing for me is to just know he is not gone from existence. We will miss him for now but it is not forever. There comes a point when it is time. None of us knows how we will react in the immediacy of passing before hand. We just have to trust in God that death is ok.
My dad was close to your dads age. My mom had just retired that year. They had planned for their retirement but they never got a chance to enjoy it together. The thing is this. They got to spend their life together. They will get to spend eternity together. Whats a few years here and there? I am certain that where he is now, he is busy and enjoying his work, waiting for us all to catch up with him. I know he is enjoying it more than he enjoyed the cancer.
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We should set our sights HIGH. We were told we dont need anyone to hold our hands and tell us how to walk. We are capable of doing this. So are we up for it?
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I love the idea of building a ward from the ground up. What an inspired idea the bishop there had.
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It is not a Utah thing. It is a satanic idea in my opinion and can be very hurtful. We sat down once and were told that we were not allowed to sit in those seats. We had hoped to sit in softer seats because of our severe pain. Well that was not going to be. Now we sit in our soft recliners/bed and watch byutv in more comfort.
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I understand, which is why I said for *some* people it can be hard to overcome such situations, and we need to be sensitive to people's reasons for leaving, even if we've seen others stay and thrive in the Church after dealing with the same difficulties. We need to keep a watch out for situations in our wards that could lead to unnecessary harm being done to struggling testimonies (bullying, gossip, etc. and yes I realize it will be impossible to prevent *anyone* from being offended). We should do what we can to make church a safe place, and not a toxic one.
For some it might be impossible to overcome. Consider if every time you went to church you thought people were avoiding you. What if you saw someone at church you thought was one of your abusers, even though it was a life time ago and that person is probably dead by now. What if you felt the walls closing in on you in a very real way. What if you were terrified of being hurt every time you walked in the door? What if the reason for those fears and feeling was because you were hurt by people in the church at one long period of time long ago? Not emotionally hurt. Hurt.
Would the reason for not going be sin?
We have no right to say why anyone might not be attending church unless it is us. Our part is not to figure out why but to accept the person. If we are their VT or HT then do your #$^%$#$ JOB. Let them know someone remembers they exist. Then if you really want to know then ask them, not guess.
We do not go to church.
We have our reasons and NOT One of those reasons is a lack of testimony. The only person from church we ever see, even in our small town is.. oh wait. We never see anyone except the boys who come to give us the sacrament. It is funny, even ironic, that the only personal contact we have is the sacrament.
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There are two facets to what I said.
First, there's the idea of controlling chivalrous behavior. Contra Anatess, I think chivalry is entirely undesirable in war--at least, when directed towards fellow soldiers. If I hold a critical spotting or sniping position, and I see one of my female comrades get captured and raped on the spot: Do I let my chivalry take over, and stop that assault--thereby abandoning or betraying my position and endangering the mission?
Second, there's the idea of controlling baser behavior--sexual harassment, or whatever. Do I agree with you that it's unacceptable? Yep. But do I have any illusions that it's going to stop? Unfortunately, no; and the reason goes back to what an army inherently is.
The purpose of war is to kill people, break things, and make the enemy suffer in new and exquisite ways. The mission of soldiers, is to accomplish the above-stated purpose. So at some level, you've got to choose between having an effective fighting force, or a politically correct one.
I whole-heartedly agree.
I agree that chivalry is not a good plan in battle. I seriously doubt the women want to be treated as 'special' either. Consider this: If the soldier being beaten and raped was a man would you step in and endanger the mission?
Controlling behavior is not a politically correct issue. Its a moral issue and an ethical issue. If its wrong dont do it. Testosterone is not necessary to be a soldier. Good training and ability make a good soldier.
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I would agree and there is no reason to not let women prove themselves capable.I would think that Special Forces like Rangers or Seals or Force recon would require the type of physical ability that few men have and that would necessitate women being able to perform at the same level as their counterparts or they would endanger the unit and the mission.
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I use the word can't because, I have an amazing bunch of friends, I love them dearly,we are just a group of 3 good looking guys having a good time and when we go out, it always ends up with us getting pretty drunk,or hitting on girls, or both. no matter how good our intentions are "no drinking this weekend" "i am doing a 30 day detox" yet it never happens, same as smoking, but i only smoke when I drink.
Sounds like all of you want to do something better. Just stopping drinking etc is not enough. You need something to fill that gap. Something else to do.
Invite your friends and the missionaries and see if you and your friends can find a fit.
Is there any way to find out who we baptized in the temple?
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I dont know about now but I did find out from records that my husbands grandmother had been baptized for the dead by me when I was 12. I dont remember how I searched this out now. It has been too long.