trulykiwi
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Loved it!!!
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And before we fry these girls....they could have been laughing at something else when they looked over at you. Let's not prejudge them.
I don't think it's possible to be liked by everyone (some will dislike you just because they think everyone else likes you Ü). You are only in control of yourself. You be confident, genuine, and loving and you'll be fine. If these girls are mocking you, it only shows their lack of true self-esteem. Don't worry about them. Reach out to others, and as Ben says, they'll reach out to you (or be a friend and you'll have friends, or whatever he said so eloquently).
We all think you are lovely and sweet and wise. So there!
Thanks Gigi - I'm going to make an effort to be a friend to others.... I had a lady from Relief Society Presidency drop by today for a visit - she's really really lovely :) We had a lovely chat for an hour or so and when she was leaving, she mentioned that she was trying to put something together to prepare these younger women in Relief Society for Motherhood etc... so I told her that if she ever wants any help with anything... I'm there
lol I just thought, if I can get involved in something like that, then these young girls might just realise that I can actually be of help to them... if not now, then in the future. Who knows.. was just a thought.
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One of my thoughts was get down to their level. I mean as a teenage girl. Perhaps say..hey girls...I wonder if I can get your opinion on something. Something that would be on a teenage girl level. As you well know (take a look at this forum), people love giving their opinion...especially being asked. Just a thought.
That's a great idea... I might give it a go... (in a few weeks
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Maybe you can try being nice to them....the next time they are laughing and snickering, walk right up to them, look them in the eye, and say "hi, how are you doing today?" If you know their names beforehand, say their names, find out who their parents are, and mention that you have talked to them, in a casual way. Compliment their parents.......it will pull the rug out from under them and take their power away....and you will have the upper hand. I would suggest finding out about them and their families, make it a point to talk with their parents~make an acquaintance. Then, maybe you can approach the parents themselves concerning their bad behaviour.....
Dove, I too have seen your posts and I love the compassion and friendship that you exude! It's such an inspiration - thank you. I appreciate your idea's above and I might just give it a go. I'm going to try and be more involved in things at church this time. Really step out of my comfort zone (argh!!!) - or at least TRY
- so that people can see that, although I might be reasonably quiet (until you get to know me! HAHA), I'm a very friendly, open and honest person. so thank you for your suggestions above :) I really appreciate it! Thank you to everyone who has answered here also... that's why I love coming onto this forum - never have I felt so comfortable sharing/posting and discussing things as I do here.
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I want to apologize.
The comments originally were, for the most part, interesting, and fun to see others' views about the idea of Adam and Eve being born. It hasn't been fun for the last several pages, and for that I apologize. I was trying to lighten up the discussion with some humor above, but my guess is that it will not be taken that way. Therefore, I am banning myself from this post from this point forward. I will check out the future comments from time to time, but I will refrain from commenting.
I will let all readers examine what has been written so far for themselves. I find many of the ideas interesting. I really don't know all the answers (and maybe some leaders in the past did not either), but I am interested in the possibilities.
That is OK Webster, it's OK to ask questions. But it just got to the point where it was ones own doctrine opposed to the doctrine written plainly in the scriptures, and common sense too.
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Oh, and next time you catch them being snotty say, "I know you're jealous girls, but I'm already taken, so you can have all the boys to yourselves."
HAHA! That IS a good one... but... me being me.. I'll just ignore it and [try my best to] overlook it.
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It has always been a problem...
Jacob 2
[13] And the hand of providence hath smiled upon you most pleasingly, that you have obtained many riches; and because some of you have obtained more abundantly than that of your brethren ye are lifted up in the pride of your hearts, and wear stiff necks and high heads because of the costliness of your apparel, and persecute your brethren because ye suppose that ye are better than they.
Mormon 8
[36] And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.
You know... being reasonably new to the church, I find it hard to make scripture relative to each situation personally.... but it's times like this I realise that it's possible. Thank you for pointing those out to me...
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How is providing health care to all regardless of their economic situation unhumanitarian?
Also, socialism and communism are different. Its also worth pointing out that socialism is an economic system, a true Christian or LDS member would strive for a system of economic equality therefor supporting a socialist democracy. As the first presidency said in the Proclamtion on the Economy, the growth of wealth in a small minority creates a class system where the poor are exploited. This is occurring under capitalism, socialist reforms would work to ensure wealth and power is not accumulated by the small minority of rich and instead would be redistributed equally providing basic necessities for all.
I urge you to read a book called 'None Dare Call It A Conspiracy' by Gary Allen. That will shed new light on your socialism branding!
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Jesus was the Only Begotten where Father was the father and a mortal woman was the mother. Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother were the parents of Jesus' spirit body.
What ( I think ) really set Jesus apart as the "Only Begotten" -- was his mixed parentage -- the fact that, due to having a mortal mother, He could die, but due to His having an Immortal Father, He could keep death at bay indefinitely.
In other words, I do not feel that Adam and Eve being both the spirit and physical children of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother does anything to take away from or change Jesus' status as the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father. Jesus is the only person ever to be begotten in that manner. Adam was not begotten that way. So Adam would not infringe upon Jesus' "Only Begotten" status, because Adam was not conceived in the same manner as Jesus was. Jesus was and is unique in that.
1. Jesus was a GOD because he had a God as his literal Father, and was human because of his earthly Mother.
2. Adam and Eve would have been GODS had they have been begotten by immortal parents. They were not Gods!
3. It says Adam was formed from the elements of THIS earth. If he had have been formed from Heavenly Mother he would have been formed from other worlds or means. But it says formed of THIS earth. When the Lord created this world he saw a place to do so, and brought together the materials and elements that were unorganized. Adam was also formed of these.
Cmon guys I am wondering if a)you are not LDS, b) this is a joke to pull ones strings, or c) you guys are trusting in mans doctrine and need to seriously talk to your Stake President ha ha!!!!
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Would you care to attempt to prove me wrong? Oh wait, you can't.
Oh and you can prove me wrong?
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Thank you... I appreciate that! Gosh 10 years is a long time... but... I can see why stick round here... I myself enjoy it. Sometimes, because I'm the only one in my family to join the church (much to their distress), it gets a little lonely (as in female company/friends who understand me), so it's always nice to meet lovely people such as yourself :) So thank you for your friendship :)
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As difficult as it is..raise your head...even say hello to them....rise above them. That makes you a much better person than they will ever be with daddy's money.
Thank you... that is exactly right. Who knows... maybe I might 'lead by example'
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Thanks Ben, yeah I thought the same at first. But then, my husband is of the opinion that we need to not focus on anyone else this time and ignore those sort of things that cause contention. He wants us to worry about ourselves and continue to do right by others - and just not get into conflict that isn't needed. Know what I mean? I guess the best thing I can do is ignore it... but damn I'm such a sensitive person and that makes it harder... I just want everyone to like me! I don't have any friends in the church - we seem to have moved wards quite often... so was hoping to make some this time round as this is where we are settling.
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Hi guys, firstly, love this place - I love coming in here and helping people out on the advice board, and love the gospel discussion threads... all interesting and the people here (you guys!) are awesome :)
I wish to ask your advice on a matter. This is going to sound soooo menial compared to other people's problems here... so I apologise in advance!
Yesterday at Church, in Relief Society I felt condescended (put down) by a couple of the young women there (bout 18-20yr olds). But I let it go and wasn't going to hold a grudge - after all they are just young and sometimes you don't realise things at that age.
Anyways, last night I was talking to my husband and mentioned this and how I felt about it. You see, normally in any class I'm not one to speak up - you'll usually find me sitting there quietly listening intently to all that's going on but always keep my opinions and thoughts to myself... call it shy, I don't know... but maybe it's more just a lack of confidence.
So when I mentioned this to my husband he said not to worry about it but next time speak up and say what i mean - just don't do it in a condescending way (which I wouldn't anyway). But he also said to me, he noticed that same group of girls looking at me when we got out of the car and talking and sniggering with each other - so much so that it was obvious that they were talking/laughing about me!
I was so hurt upon hearing this, this is a new ward we have just moved into and hearing that I have young women sniggering at me makes me most upset. I know I know I shouldn't worry, just forget about it and go about worrying about my own salvation. But gosh, I just don't think he understand (or any guy for that matter), so I'm asking you ladies out there... it has made me MORE self-conscious than I already am... I don't even want to go to this new ward anymore.... I really really wanted to fellowship in our new ward and make some good friends. But why would they mock me?? I don't get it!! They are very well dressed young women - obviously coming from families that have good money, have grown up in the church etc. I think (or rather thought!) I dressed lovely, or at least as best I can with the money we have, I haven't grown up in the church (1st generation convert), and now feel inadequate!
I know... sorry to have gone on... this just really upsets me. I know that the church is perfect, but the people aren't. But I thought we all treated each other nicely at least!
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I really believe in the saying...they can leave the Church but they can't leave the Church alone.
Maybe cos it has such a massive influence on them perhaps - on their subconscious I mean. Then when they can't/don't want to adhere to the standards, they get out... and try to "reason" their way out of it....
I don't know... just a thought .... :)
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Things were first created spiritually; the Father actually begat the spirits, and they were brought forth and lived with Him. Then He commenced the work of creating earthly tabernacles, precisely as He had been created in this flesh himself, by partaking of the course material that was organized and composed this earth, until His system was charged with it, consequently the tabernacles of His children were organized from the coarse materials of this earth.
--- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v.4: p.218
But it does not say Adam was begotten in the flesh of the Father. We all know ONLY Christ was. I stand by that! You have made it too technical for people to understand and it isn't even considered truth, and I will probably move onto a more edifying thread. I have enjoyed it. Bye everyone.
Peace!
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You skipped comment #103 where I answered a challenge of yours with 2 scriptures.
Thats because georgia said it for me. The scriptures you quoted don't prove Adam was a begotten son in the flesh. Look at last posts for answers.
Peace!
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It states that Adam is the son of God because it was God that gave him life. That doesn't mean that he was his physical daddy.
I wasn't going to comment on this cos I agree and I feel georgia has said it.
We are all sons (and daughters) of God as was Adam. Like Adam we are literal sons of god, but Christ is the only one born of Heavenly Father physically, not Adam, not any of us but the King only. In the gospel sense we are sons Of Christ and that could be said as a similtude of the Father saying Adam is the son of God.
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You skipped comment #103 where I answered a challenge of yours with 2 scriptures.
Arguing is one thing, but shouldn't we be open to all truth, even if it seems contradictory? I like to hear all sides because it gives me more to think about. Many of the early saints had trouble with things Joseph told them because they couldn't consider something that seemed at odds with truths they already possessed.
I imagine that many of my favorite ideas, and probably quite a few of yours as well, will not quite measure up to the full truth that God has yet to reveal. If we arrive in heaven and find out that Adam is not his son as some scriptures say, or that Adam was not literally formed from dust as others say, should we lose faith and apostatize?
Well it has been revealed that Adam was literally formed from the dust and Eve from his rib, it would be more likely that anything above and beyond that could cause err and make someone end up becoming apostate !
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7 And I, the Lord God, formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also; nevertheless, all things were before created; but spiritually were they created and made according to my word.
But that just says everything was created spiritually first, nothing else!
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Dare I even ask the question that just popped into my head? I'm just fool enough to do it:
Does God give birth to human spirits or does He create them some other way?
Why were we created in His image? Is mankind the perfected form of life to create or do we naturally look like our parent?
If God gave birth to human spirits, did God give "birth" to chicken spirits of did He form them in a laboratory?
Or did He get them from perfected, immortal chickens who were fulfilling the measure of their creation?
Just imagine all the possibilities. He is God after all! I sometimes wonder if we are like mosquito larae in a scummy pond, trying to image what life in a penthouse is like.
All of this will go nowhere. If it is not revealed we should not talk or argue. Heavenly Father doesn't talk about Mother, what gives us the right to mention her in such a way that others can take the sacredness that don't understand. I will be saved on the revealed truths already if I am faithful, anything else revealed about these things will come, and be a bonus from the correct line of authority.
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We evolved from great apes with the aid of bacterial evolution. God didn't just sprinkle some seeds, just to use your analogy.
You did, not me. Would you like a banana?
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If you believe God can fashion a man out of clay, then breath life in him, and that clay becomes offspring, then I'd say you should be able to believe about anything. :) The things I'm saying shouldn't sound so remarkable or wierd.
Where does it say Adam was offspring? Show me!
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I do not believe man was created out of dust of the earth since I was born of earthy parents as Adam was born of Heavenly Parents. Nothing has change from this pattern since the first Adam or Ahmen. The story given of the creation of man is a story but there is a deeper meaning that most would miss.
Show me. Prove it! Seal it with a scripture!
Were Adam and Eve born?
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Cmon dude that's enough this has already been proven wrong. Look back and you will see this is a false doctrine!(to those who are steadfast in the truth that is)