Jamie123
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From the official LDS website:
When writing about the Church, please follow these guidelines:
* In the first reference, the full name of the Church is preferred: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
* Please avoid the use of “Mormon Church,” “LDS Church” or “the Church of the Latter-day Saints.”
* When a shortened reference is needed, the terms “the Church” or “the Church of Jesus Christ” are encouraged.
* When referring to Church members, the term “Latter-day Saints” is preferred, though “Mormons” is acceptable.
* "Mormon” is correctly used in proper names such as the Book of Mormon, Mormon Tabernacle Choir or Mormon Trail, or when used as an adjective in such expressions as “Mormon pioneers.”
* The term “Mormonism” is acceptable in describing the combination of doctrine, culture and lifestyle unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
* When referring to people or organizations that practice polygamy, the terms “Mormons,” “Mormon fundamentalist,” “Mormon dissidents,” etc. are incorrect. The Associated Press Stylebook notes: “The term Mormon is not properly applied to the other ... churches that resulted from the split after [Joseph] Smith’s death.”
I can understand why they say this - the terms Mormon and LDS are synonymous in many people's minds, and the LDS Church fears association with these polygamous groups.
But surely "Mormon" is a nickname. It was given to LDS members - initially pejoratively - by people outside the CHurch. Whilst I would object to someone using my identity and pretending to be me, I would have little cause to complain if someone else started using a nickname others had given me.
Also if the word Mormon is not allowed, what is the correct name for these people? Apostates? OK, but apostates from what? We're not allowed to call them Mormon apostates if the word "Mormon" is disallowed. Apostates from the "True Church"? But it's only the Mormons themselves who believe their church is "true", and not all journalists are Mormons. Polygamists? But there are other groups who practice polygamy who have no historical connection with the Latter Day Saint movement.
Any ideas?
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What's white and wears checked trousers?
Rupert the Fridge.
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How can you tell that an elephant has been in your cupboards?
Footprints in the peanut butter.
How do you get four elephants in a Mini?
Two in the front, two in the back.
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How do you tell if two elephants ahave been in your cupboards?
Two sets of footprints in the butter.
How do you tell if three elephants have been in your cupboards?
Three sets of footprints in the butter.
How do you tell if four elephants have been in your cupboards?
There's a Mini parked outside.
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Knock knock
Who's there?
Doctor
Doctor who?
Err....yes....that's right. Doctor Who.
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Q. What do you get if you put a lighted match down a rabbit hole?
A. A hot, cross bunny.
ANOTHER VERSION:
Q. How do you make a Maltese Cross?
A. Drop a lighted match down his shirt.
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Who won the 1975 Formula One Championship?
Lauda
I said, who won the 1975 Formula One Championship?!
Lauda!
I said, who won the 1975 Formula One Championship?!!!!
Lauda!!
I SAID, WHO WON THE 1975 FORMULA ONE CHAMPIONSHIP?!!!!!!!
LAUDA!!!!
I SAID!!!!! WHO WON THE 1975 FORMULA ONE CHAMPIONSHIP?!!!!!!!!!!
etc.
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I think I went a bit overboard with my april fools. I was recently baptised a week ago. I called the missionaries on April 1st and told them I got a call frfom the ward. Someone had seen me in a PETA (People for the ethical treatment of animals) protest and wanted me to go through the process again to make sure I am genuine.
The missionaries couldnt believe it and had never heard of such a thing. I then told them I was joking but they didn't find it amusing till later... Maybe finding it amusing till later they were trying to make me feel good.
I suspect the missionaries hear so many strange stories they become innured to the incredible. Other people's traditions often do seem bizarre when you're not used to them.
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Yes, yes they are.
Look 'round, the Frenchman loves its blaze,
The sturdy German chants its praise,
In Moscow's vaults its hymns are sung
Chicago swells the surging throng.
Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here!
*Comrade Jamie polishes his horns.
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Redistribution of wealth is a key tenet of Marxism. Those Democrats in Congress who voted for this are either pro-Marxist (Reid and Pelosi), or they were bribed to vote for it (Landrieu and Nelson).
And we all know that Marxists are evil!!
*Comrade Jamie sings "~~We'll keep the red flag flying here!"
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Trouble is that under the sacred cow of "Zero Tolerance" the plucky kid who stands up to the bully is condidered as bad as the bully himself. Both get expelled, which is no punishment at all to the bully (he's been thrown out of more schools than he's had hot dinners) but a major disaster to the plucky kid.
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One of the reasons I don't want to be a member of your church. You apparently believe anyone who doesn't do the things you do or come to the same conclusions you have will be excruciatingly punished in the afterlife.
I'm no expert, but isn't that precisely what Mormons don't believe? My understanding is that only a few will suffer anything like the traditional "Hell". The majority will suffer a limited period of correction, followed by entry into the "Telestial" Kingdom.
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Many is the sermon I've heard in which listeners were warned that "Today is the day, now is the acceptable time of salvation. We're not guaranteed even our next breath. You feel the Holy Spirit wooing you. Reject him not! Raise that hand, come to the altar--accept Jesus into your heart and be saved!"
LOL - I've heard many sermons of that kind too! What always gets me though is the rapid descent into "normality" once the service is over. After listening to all the scary hellfire talk, everyone goes off for coffee and biscuits and a pleasant chat about lawnmowers (or whatever). The surrealness takes some getting used to.
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Well Dang Jamie! Sorry you ran into some grumpy folks. I understand what you mean about stuff like this not really happening outside of mormonism. Where else do you get people totally geared around extending a hand of fellowship, who proceed to get ticked off or uncomfortable when you take that hand?
I've heard it said many times, that the church must be true, or the missionaries would have destroyed it a long time ago. Thanks for your charitable attempt to explain these experiences. Even though you were on the receiving end, I'm grateful you're trying to see the reasons behind the grumpiness. Understanding why people do dumb things, is one of the attributes of Christ - and it often makes it easier to forgive.
I personally believe that the only good reason to be a mormon, is you believe God wants you to be one. If you should ever come to that understanding, bad experiences like this don't bug you so much.
Good luck to you, and God bless!
LM
LOL - thanks LM. I was in a bit of a "black mood" when I wrote that. It doesn't reflect what I really think and I hope no one was too offended by it.
I've met plenty of grumpyness in my own church, and it doesn't bother me because none of these people claims to be super-spiritual. What's shocking though is when you experience unpleasantness from people who claim (like the Mormons) to have a "special joy in their lives" or a "special relationship with God" which you "so obviously" don't have. By raising your expectations of them, they make their failings seem less excusable than they really are.
I'm not just talking about Mormons here: I once knew a girl who was always telling me how God had "changed her life completely" and how "everything she now did was under the guidance of the Holy Spirit" and why couldn't I stop being such a jerk and do the same? When I'd point out that her own actions were not always beyond reproach, her response was always: "Who are you to judge me?" "Don't criticise a person unless you've walked a mile in their shoes!" But how many miles had she walked in mine before criticising me?
(By the way, she was not LDS. In fact she had nothing good whatsoever to say about Mormonism.)
Sorry...I'm getting back into "grumpy" mode myself here. What I mean to say is that it doesn't always do to take the self-styled "Mature Christian" too seriously. Christ Himself is the only truly perfect example of a Christian.
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I’ve often read about people being “long-term investigators” of the Church, as if this were considered an acceptable position for a person to be in. My own experience as a “long term investigator” was rather different. I vividly remember about 18 years ago going to the Stake Conference and meeting some of the Sisters who I’d spoken to the week before. I went up to them and said “Hello Sisters, how are you?” but they weren’t very pleased to see me. They looked at me unsmiling, and one of them asked: “What are you expecting to achieve by coming here?”
Not everyone put it in quite such blunt terms, but I often sensed an unspoken attitude of “we want you as a member or not at all”. Once I was even told to put a timescale on things: “See if you can get a testimony within the next month.” I’ve never known anything quite like this outside Mormonism. It finally ended (after about 2-3 years) in one very unpleasant session with the elders, one of whom accused me of having a testimony all along and suppressing it. Shortly after that, I finally went back to Anglicanism.
P.S. I do have happy memories of my association with the LDS church, and I met a lot of great people. I just sensed an unhappiness amongst certain "key" people at that time (partly - I suspect - because the church had burned down and the ward had since been divided into 2 branches) and the missionaries seemed particularly irritable. They were quite different from the two beautiful joy-filled Sisters who first introduced me to the Church. I’m a bit down myself at the moment, and I’ve been brooding over unhappy memories. I’ll get over it. And thanks for reading my depressed ramblings.
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You can't actually be thinking Ram does not realise this.
It's surprising how many sensible-seeming people don't realise it.
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1- receive these things
2- ask God if these things are not true
3- in the name of Christ
4- ask with a sincere heart
5- with real intent
6- having faith in Christ
The last one is probably the most difficult for many people. The BoM assumes that the reader is already a Christian. For anyone else, the promise isn't a lot of use; it would be like telling a Christian he could get a testimony of the truth of the Koran by praying to Allah in the name of Mohammed, and having faith in Mohammed.
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What do you think?
I don't know. I can't find the source for this actual statement, but from what I've read it looks as though BYU scientists did experiment with electric aversion therapy in the 1970's, even if the Church now accepts this was misguided.
Also it would be stupid to assume that everything bad or (if you'll excuse the pun) shocking reported about LDS members must be an anti-Mormon lie. After all, the Mountain Meadows Massacre really happened and was ordered by high-ranking Mormons, even if their actions are now universally condemned.
[sorry Hordak - you posted while I was writing the above.]
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I'm not sure where I read this, but I've read of a time when all students at BYU who felt "same gender attraction" were ordered to leave (even if they were completely celibate) and were denied credit for the courses they had completed unless they submitted to electric shock therapy.
Is there any truth in this, or is it more likely an anti-Mormon slur?
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Like the episode where a seemingly powerful full grown man is revealed to be the relatively young child of two super-beings who let him create his own planet
That's The Squire of Gothos. I agree it's an excellent episode.
I like TOS but I like TNG better as (in my opinion) there are more lead characters and more interesting interaction. In TOS the limelight is mostly hogged by Kirk, Spock, Bones and (to a limited extent) Scotty. Everyone else is peripheral. But it's still excellent stuff.
Here's my list of preferences:
1. The Next Generation
2. The Original Series
3. A close tie between Deep Space Nine and Voyager
4. Enterprise
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The irony is he was a fellow of Trinity College Cambridge.
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Hi - nice to meet you. I am not LDS either, but like you I have a fondness for the Mormon people. A lot of wonderful people contribute to this site and I'm sure you'll enjoy it here :)
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Every time I think about it, I come to a different choice. But if I'm forced to choose then:
1. Plato's Republic - partly because I've never managed to finish it, and partly because what I have read of it has really made me think.
2. The Lord of the Rings. I'm not one of these people who re-reads it every year, but I have read it several times and never yet found it tiresome (except for some of the more tedious bits between Mount Doom and them getting back to the Shire, but even those have grown on my with successive readings).
3. For light relief, Three Men in a Boat by Jerome K. Jerome. This is another book I'd not easily get tired of.
By the way - these are based on the kind of reading I'd need to keep me sane, rather than what would be particularly useful to the Eloi. That's more-or-less what I had in mind when I posted the question.
Life with just 3 books would be tough though, and other books I'd yearn for would be David Hume's Dialogues, Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis, Shakespeare's plays and sonnets, the poetry of Wordsworth and Tennyson and....too many more to mention!
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Why is it a predictable question?
LOL - well what else was I going to ask? Have you ever built a time machine and battled Morlocks in the year three million?
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Right at the end of The Time Machine (the 1960 movie, based on H.G.Wells' story of the same name), after the time-traveller has departed back into Earth's future to help the Eloi fight the terrible Morlocks, the following conversation takes place:
Filby: He must have taken something with him...
Housekeeper: Nothing... except three books.
Filby: Which three books?
Housekeeper: I don't know... is it important?
Filby: Oh, I suppose not. Only, which three books would you have taken?
I know it's a very predictable question, but which three would you have taken?
(Please don't include The Bible, the Book of Mormon, or any other books of scripture: I'm assuming you keep a full set of those in your time machine anyway.)
P.S. I'm still trying to decide what mine would be.
Use of the term "Mormon" for "Mormon Fundamentalists"
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Yep - but there are several such churches and you might want an umbrella term to refer all of them. Listing them all, giving each its correct name is going to be quite a mouthful.
Aha...but "splinter groups" from what? The Marx Brothers' Fan Club?