Christos

I didn't actually know till recently that it is recorded in Mark (and Matthew) that Jesus the Christ tought about marriage in Heaven. I've always believed that logically for the church of Christ to become the bride of Christ the church must not be married in any other part. Mark12:24-25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. Is this not utter proof of the non-existance of earthly marriage sustaining through to heaven. Remember that when we are raised again we will be new people. 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. So what is the meaning of this thread? Basically if you do believe that marriage sustains through to Heaven please give a valid Biblical (excuding LDS scriptures) proof of it. :)

Ok, I am on these forums because, I am on these forums. Need there be any explaination for what passes through my mind? What am I trying to accomplish. Nothing. I am on no mission (sorry for the pun). If we truely are all brothers in Christ, all part of the Holy Catholic and Aposolitic church (Catholic meaning universal from the greek) then there should be no disagreement between us. I read somewhere in LDS doctrine that if a person was LDS and then left the church that person will not be forgiven......talk about pressure

What's funny? This Sunday is Forgiveness Sunday!

I've never dated before (and I don't really plan on doing yet). But what I would like to do is to go to the beach. I love the beach. The Beach at night is so cool as well, a few candles and a little fire (obviously making sure it is legal and is public land).

What are the benefits of worry? Pray that your community will be protected. Surely if the surrounding trees were cut down it would prevent the risk of a fire attacking the commiunity. If that would look bad aesthetically have the trees replaced with trees that don't loose moisture so quickly or are used to a hotter climate. I do not know what it is like to live next to forest fire potential forests as I live in England but I know it would would be pretty scary. Just pray. Have total faith in the God.

It says "one Faith". If the bible were to say "one denomination" then I would stick with one and only one. It isn't like I am part of multiple faith systems for example, muslim, buddhist and Christian. Orthodoxy isn't very big in England and the church I go to is in a community hall rather than a purpose built building (thus the restaurant and not a barbecue like most other orthodox churches do). I am probably mainly Orthodox, that is because I am CofE by birth, Free Methodist for cell meatings and Orthodox for main services. The difference is that LDS doctrine is radically different to other Christian doctrine and so it wouldn't be right for an LDS Bishop to preach in another Christian church. (note that I am not denying LDS of being Christian). But if two churches hold the same doctrine it is surely acceptable for someone to preach between denominations. There is only one church, one faith. Christianity is built up of many religions, though it is only one faith. There is little difference between Methodism and Church of England (apart from tee-totalism due to the temperance movement) and little difference between Church of England and Orthodoxy, doctrinally. If I were to go to an Orthodox church bearing a book of Mormon I'm not sure if I would come out alive. I wouldn't go to a Catholic church because their doctrine is different to Orthodox doctrine, they believe in Purgatory, mortal and venial sin and the infalliablity of the Pope. The same reason is why I no longer go to the LDS church.

I do show loyalty to my churches. I have been with the Church of England for since I was born , but with this parish (ward) for about 6 years. I still go for evensong (evening service). I have been with the Free Methodist church for 3/4 of a year and though I don't go to the services anymore I am involved very much so in the cell life of the church, in bible study and stuff. I have been with the Orthodox church for a month now, I know that isn't long but I have only started going to it. Today because it is the start of meat fare (no meat for a week, lent starts next week!) we went out to a restaurant. I love Church and I have a good mix of East and West, Charismatic, Evangelical and Ancient. I would say though that the Free Methodist church is more like a meeting house than a church and though it is good for establishing Christian fellowship the teaching tends to be limited and basic. Dreams, like angels and miracles are not to be taken from God and God alone. Satan uses dreams, miracles and angels as mediums for his evil work, pretending to be good. I do believe that fortune tellers are true, so too are Ouija boards BUT they are from Satan. It is amazing how much power Satan has over the Earth. As it says in the book of Job, the world is Satan's kingdom, some cultures take that too far and start believing that Earth is Hell (Gnostics). Not even hell belongs to Satan. (sorry for drifting off topic). Anyway I will show you my dream. Whether or not it is from God is quite irrelevent. Dream It was a cold day and me and my sister and my mother and father left the house to go to church. We walked down the icy road and on the left there was the old clinic that has been converted into a Mormon chapel complete with a golden statue of Moroni on top, on the other side of the road (where the mormon church used to be) there is a massive tall tower, looks very cathedral like, the grounds were perfect and like a church there was a hall attached to the tower. On the top of the tower there was a statue of Moroni, again in Gold. I thought it was a Christian cathedral and so discouraged my parents from going into the church. In a large field ahead of us there were six white towers which had just been erected in a modern design. On top of one of the towers was a large gold statue of the angel Moroni. Then me and my sister carry on (no further mention of parents). We come up to another church and I go inside. There is a witch in the hall, pretending to be a priest. She is a female witch, quite beautiful and dressed in either deep purple or black. The church was empty and my sister starts to attack a painting on the wall and I tell her to stop but she won't. Then the painting is removed from the wall and there is a change in the wall, it is a liftable wall. In the corner there is a small black lever. I pull on the lever and the wall rises to reveal a sort of vortex or gate into another dimension, a blurry circle of many colours, mainly green. The witch is shouting at us and telling us not to look. We push the witch into the vortex and she dissappears forever. Then we start rearranging the furniture. This is not a big hall and you could be mistaken in thinking it is a room of a palace. There were two tables. One wooden and bland with chairs and the other was marble, white and elaborte. The wooden set was in the middle of the room with the marble one to the wall, we change it so that the marble table now was in the middle. I then see that an altar has been revealed, like a protestant church altar, simple white stone, long like a table. I was transformed into a dog. People started to come into the church to worship and I light candles. There is one guy who comes into the church wearing shorts. Another worshipper asks me why that guy is allowed in the church if he is wearing shorts and I say, "Lets look at the priorities, surely it is better that he is coming to church than he is wearing shorts". Then I take a gold idol of an Egyptian Pharoah head out to be worshipped. I place it on a table and people light candles for it and a long line develops of those who want to kiss it. End of Dream. This dream is so vivid, even now after nearly a month of first recieving it. (8th February) (edited on 26th February to read "gold idol".)

I think the question which tilts it towards Christianity the most is "Is Jesus God?". I know that I am not mormon but to believe that Jesus is not God is to think that the opening of the Gospel According to Saint John is incorrect. For a long time I didn't believe Jesus was God. I was paying too much attention to "Son of God" rather than the actual meaning of that. The trinity is an awkward thing to grasp and unless you are going to go through weeks and weeks of self debate and uncertainty (like I did) you are best just to accept what is written in the Gospel. Jesus is not only of God but he is God incarnate.

You scored as Christianity. Your views are most similar to those of Christianity. Do more research on Christianity and possibly consider being baptized and accepting Jesus, if you aren't already Christian. Christianity is the second of the Abrahamic faiths; it follows Judaism and is followed by Islam. It differs in its belief of Jesus, as not a prophet nor historical figure, but as God in human form. The Holy Trinity is the concept that God takes three forms: the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost (sometimes called Holy Spirit). Jesus taught the idea of instead of seeking revenge, one should love his or her neighbors and enemies. Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross to save humankind and forgive people's sins. Christianity 100% Islam 58% Judaism 42% Buddhism 38% Hinduism 13% agnosticism 8% Satanism 8% Paganism 8% atheism 0%

It is now three weeks on the day that I typed my leaving post. I would like to share with you what I have been doing. On the Sunday before my leaving letter I had gone to a Greek Orthodox church. I have been to that church again since then and will go this Sunday. I have been doing a lot more studying and set my path straight. I know what my aim is and so I spend all my time worshipping and praising God but in a much stronger way now. About 3 weeks ago I recieved a rosary I had ordered online. It is an anglican (not Catholic) rosary. It has 33 beads plus an invitatory bead and cross. I spend some time each day praying the Jesus Prayer, usually I do it 100 times in the evening. You cannot know God by feeling alone but by truth, guidance and revelation. I feel that my time in the LDS religion was worthwhile and I learnt a lot, afterall there is no such thing as a bad experiance. I missed church last Sunday and so I had to find a church which was open on Monday for mass. I looked round and found there to be only one church, it is a high Roman Catholic church. So I went for the midday Mass and I enjoyed it. Though I wish I knew more of the responses, I knew most from my Protestant up-bringing and personal research. I accepted the Eucharist at that church (though that troubled my mum, she says I am Church of England though I know that I belong only to one church and that is the true church of Jesus Christ). There was no wine, just the bread. I have since had many dreams and visions concerning the LDS religion, dreams about temple building and stuff. That is all for now. Just to let you know I might stay on these forums as a semi-idle poster. Mainly just checking this thread. The other forums I use are www.christianforums.com and my name on there is ramesses. In Christ Christos

I think I will go now. It seems (and I know it is inevitable with any religion or faith system) that we (including myself) are all very narrow minded. I do not think highly of other people, we are all the same, filthy sinful creatures with "skeletons in our closets". There is no true heirarchy on Earth apart from the illusion of one. If we were to strip everyone of their robes and institutional titles we would only see a sea of naked bodies, each unique yet meaningless. There is greater meaning to life than the lack of meaning. Ecclesiastes 1 2Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. We are all human and we fight by mouth and thought rather than sword we are certain in what we believe, yet how will we ever know what is truely true? Faith is a much greater thing than we like to believe it is. Faith is not simple. It appears simple. A computer appears simple, it has simple casing with an on/off switch and a few ports on the back. Once opened it looks a lot more complex. Many many years are spent learning about the inside of the computer and how it can be used or how it works. Faith is the same. Yet what we learn through faith we never challenge and it should not be challenged if we believe it to be infalliable. But the works of tradition or authority should always be challenged, who is one man to preach unto another? Authority should and must always be challenged, the authority figure is only right in his own estimation. Proverbs 26:4-5 Oh how stupid the King James can be sometimes The Jewish Bible translation (the Jewish bible is not a contradiction in terms, it is a bible made to help Messianic Jews and uses the same names for the books as a western bible) I'm not quite sure why I posted that . I do not fear the truth, I embrace the truth in my heart as the truth is infalliable. However "a truth" is not true but only true to that person and though they may embrace it in their heart it can be proven wrong or simply not accepted by another person simply because they have reason not to. The truth is that (as the famous Handel song puts it and Job 19:25-26) I shall leave you all now. I believe the bible is true, infalliable and the inspired word of God. If it isn't are we to read decieving words? Anything that is false or decieves is not of God and therefore the devil. Do not believe just the King James. That was written in 1611. If you like old (and readable) english translation there is the Wycliffe which was written in 1395. However I read many translations. I cross reference also. The K.J.V. poetic as it may be is not entirely accurate. English language has changed since then and some words have even changed meaning (semantic shift) such as behavour used to mean "Conversation". Study further. I leave you all in Christ Your fellow disciple Christopher ps: hope to see you in Heaven (I will not return to this post or site. I have no need to, oh and the first half of the post was pretty random but I am a random kind of guy )

I was in the church, it was when I came to the LDS church that I felt that I had left it. I started to feel like an outcast from the Christian community and once when I was walking home my cell group leader (from church) drove past very slowly. I was in a suit carrying my Bible, gospel principles and book of mormon and felt extrememly tense. I don't think he actually caught on...only my bible was really on show but I was walking from the direction of the LDS church. Since going back to church I have felt a lot safer and I feel that I am home again. I accidentaly stumbled across this passage: 1 Timothy 4 1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. Notice, Some shall. The church will continue but there will be some who fall away. Surely it is disrespective and even blasphemous to suggest that the sacrafice of Christ wasn't enough for us, to suggest that the works of a human man, would restore the church greater than that of the Son of God himself? Look at that from my side. I am sick of hearing James 1:5. I know that is the passage that inspired Joseph Smith but the amount of times I have heard that of LDS folk I feel like removing it from my bibles. On a much bigger picture there are 66 books in the standard bible (more if you include the Apocrypha or other books somtimes included in Protestant bibles, like Ecclesiasticus and book of Solomon), there is more than one passage suggesting we should ask for the truth of God, seek and ye shall find. Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you

It isn't my heardening of heart but rather my submission to the warning given in Galatians 1:6-9

I agree, a most excellent lesson. Of course salvation is not free, it is only free to us. For us God sent the most important and expensive thing ever, his only Son which we out of our arrogance and disbelief crucified to a cross. When I watch the passion of the Christ I always have a slight fantasy that Caiaphas is going to keep his mouth shut and that they would vote to have Jesus released. :) of course that would almost remove the entire point of Jesus' life.

Oh okay It is quite remarkable how many songs one man wrote. BTW is that a cat in your avatar? I have my cat on my lap at the moment and she loves me a little too much, she is purring away and digging her claws into me. I'm sure she means well but it hurts

To be honest there always was one thing that held me back very much. Galatians 1:6-9 6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. I am seeing now that the thing that held me back was myself. I was leading myself into something without much thought, I was answering yes to all the questions. I have been excited about the Gospel for many years. There is only one Gospel but many accounts.

I'm sorry I didn't tick every box on the list. I think you will find that those three properties sum up everything that you said. Remember being a Christian is not academic, if it was the means of salvation would be some sort of examination. I could sum it up even more and simply say that God is Good! Everything from God is good, God is Good. I do not create my own God. I refuse to do that. Greatest of all God is the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Everlasting Father. Laudamus Te

Each to their own.

I know that Apostasy means to leave the Gospel. I have been a state of Apostasy myself, for two years I refused all the word of God claiming it not to be divine but manmade. This was when I was between 12-14. At the age of 14 I left my Apostate state. ps. the link you gave me is 95% irrelevent. It is easy to search for a word but to put that verse into absolute context is more difficult.

It is in the smilie archive on these forums. If you click on "Show All" below the smilies a pop up will appear and it has a list of many many smilies. hint: widen the window so you can see the image of the smilie

The church that Jesus built never did fall into an Apostasy. Jesus never said that will happen: Matthew 16:18 (K.J.V.) One could interpret this in two ways, Jesus named Simon Peter (meaning rock) because it is upon Peter that his church should be built, but I don't believe that is true. Jesus goes on to say that upon This Rock he will build his church. He is referring either to the Earth or Jerusalem specifically. Also Jesus says that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, this meaning that the church will stay correct, the believers will not be punished to Hell for it. The word Apostasy means that a single person leaves the faith, not an entire church. Isaiah 40:8 states: Luke 21:33 says :

I got confused with the book of Enos from the BOM. I'll search for it on BibleGateway.com. I have been shown it before at a priesthood meeting at church.

This is one of my favourite Bob Dylan songs, Times have Changed. My other favourite is "Blowing in the Wind", it reminds me of Ecclesiastes A worried man with a worried mind No one in front of me and nothing behind There's a woman on my lap and she's drinking champagne Got white skin, got assassin's eyes I'm looking up into the sapphire tinted skies I'm well dressed, waiting on the last train Bridge #1: Standing on the gallows with my head in a noose Any minute now I'm expecting all hell to break loose Chorus People are crazy and times are strange I'm locked in tight, I'm out of range I used to care, but things have changed This place ain't doing me any good I'm in the wrong town, I should be in Hollywood Just for a second there I thought I saw something move Gonna take dancing lessons do the jitterbug rag Ain't no shortcuts, gonna dress in drag Only a fool in here would think he's got anything to prove Bridge #2 Lot of water under the bridge, Lot of other stuff too Don't get up gentlemen, I'm only passing through (chorus) I've been walking forty miles of bad road If the bible is right, the world will explode I've been trying to get as far away from myself as I can Some things are too hot to touch The human mind can only stand so much You can't win with a losing hand Bridge #3 Feel like falling in love with the first woman I meet Putting her in a wheel barrow and wheeling her down the street (chorus) I hurt easy, I just don't show it You can hurt someone and not even know it The next sixty seconds could be like an eternity Gonna get low down, gonna fly high All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie I'm in love with a woman who don't even appeal to me Bridge #4 Mr. Jinx and Miss Lucy, they jumped in the lake I'm not that eager to make a mistake (chorus) Blowin' in the wind: How many roads must a man walk down Before you call him a man? Yes, 'n' how many seas must a white dove sail Before she sleeps in the sand? Yes, 'n' how many times must the cannon balls fly Before they're forever banned? The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind, The answer is blowin' in the wind. How many times must a man look up Before he can see the sky? Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have Before he can hear people cry? Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till he knows That too many people have died? The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind, The answer is blowin' in the wind. How many years can a mountain exist Before it's washed to the sea? Yes, 'n' how many years can some people exist Before they're allowed to be free? Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head, Pretending he just doesn't see? The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind, The answer is blowin' in the wind. I actually seem to like all of Dylan's music and I think his voice is good in a distinctive way. Louis Armstrong had a terrible voice due to nodules building up in his throat but his voice is one of the most distinctive of all time, and I like it :)

There is most definatly a God. I know because he has rescued me from many situations and even rescued me from custody for a crime I never commit. (believe me, the custody officer did not want to let me go ) I have recieved visions and prophetic dreams from God and even a Psalm. He deserves so much more praise than I can ever give him and if there is a place in Heaven I would want the most, it would be to be like the Cherubim, to worship and praise God continuosly. John 4:24 tells us : God is the almighty, the creator of Heaven and Earth. The ultimate ruler of all things. The three qualities of God are: Omnipotence : All Powerful Omniscience : All Seeing Benevolence : All Good Laudamus te, Benedicimus te, Adoramus te Glorificamus te We Praise thee, We Bless thee, We Worship thee, We Glorify thee.