Dr T

Hi Traveler, Thanks for the lesson on this. To make sure I'm getting this straight, I'll see if I heard you correctly. You are saying that God the Father needed a counsel to run things by, to educate them on His plan for salvation and this is what they chose: People would not/do not understand some things unless they are part of the covenant. Can you explain that more? As for sin, (sorry I have some confusion here) you are saying that Jesus' atonements shows us the knowledge of good and evil. This is the part I'm confused about, I thought you said that we all choose to sin because, in so doing, we can know what choosing good is. Sorry if i missed it. You are also saying that God the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost all work in unison because they could not accomplish all this on their own. I'm sure I didn't cover everything you said but I'll end with this last piece. You are saying that humanity is unable to chose good and inevitably would sin. Would you say that God tempted us (which I do not think He does) or Satan? Is it something in our body? What makes people sin? Thanks again, Dr. T

Oh. Now I see that. Sorry "Advanced Moderator."

Hi Sgallan, Just so we're clear. You are saying that it is not ok to place "absolute rules" or our own persoal standard onto someone else. Is that correct? If it is, are you making that an absolute standars? Thanks

Hey SS, I thought that only Moderators could get that info. How did you locate it? Thanks

I see that we do take different things from scripture Traveler. You see the tree of K of G&E as symbolic. Ok, can you tell me what you see it symbolic of exactly. How did humans fall/become seperated from God? How is that relationship restored? Thanks for you thoughts Treveler.

No, I wasn't sure if it was "the good" of "falling before God in respect for His greatness and our depravity" or acts of "good behavior."

Thanks for the info. I was just curious as to what you all were talking about. Thanks again :)

Thank you Marsha. When you say, I don't understand that part. I use this site at work, home and my laptop. Does that show up as 3 different addresses?Thanks

Hello Traveler, Choosing good in what way? Choosing to believe that He saved us? Thanks

Hi Traveler,] So you are saying that the churches in Joseph Smith's time were not seen as abominations by God? Thanks

Hello Traveler, Here are my thoughts on the issue. When I say we are mortal, I am talking about being human (mortal limits) not god. You make a good point when you point to the creation “when you eat of it you shall surely die.” Death there however is talking about a spiritual death. An important side note to that is how Satan tricked Eve into partaking. He told her “"You shall be as gods." This approach seems to be continuing today. I’ll try and explain how my point of view (POV) differs from yours. We read about sin entering the world in Gen 3. We also see that this sin, through Adam, makes occasion for all to die (Rom 5:12). Eph. 2:1 says, “And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;” is talking to people that were still alive physically, but tells them that they were dead because of sin (a spiritual death). We then see in Jn 3:16 that salvation is in Jesus for those that believe. 1 Peter 1:18-19 also tells us that our salvation is not bought by anything but Jesus’ blood. We then see starting in Lk 16:19 that men get divided for eternity. See Matt. 25:46 for an example of this. And Lk 16:26 also says that this separation cannot be changed. Then Jn 3:36 tells us “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” When Jesus was talking to Nicodemus (see John 3) He told him that he had to be born of the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of heaven. The spirit that died as the result of man's sin must be reborn in man. I’m also curious about another tree God placed in the garden. The tree of life. God took extra precautions after the fall to keep Adam and Eve away from it. If they were going to live forever (physically) anyway, why would God have placed something like that there? The word “dominion” there was about our task of watching over and caring for the world. Although it belonged to the Creator, we were called to tend to it. After the fall the heavy toil and sweat of our brow accompanied that curse. Dr. T

Hi srm, Ok. I was quoting a general statement for discussion sake. My quote was the LDS believe that God saw them all as abominations. Would you disagree with that statement?

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That has to rank as one of the worst things that can happen. I hope she is found safe and sound.

Hi Sh1n1ng F0rc3, No need to apologize. It wasn't even long. I loved reading your thoughts. It is kind of late and I've very tired. I'll have to reread it and respond later. It is nice to meet you and I look forward to hearing what you have to say. Dr. T

Interesting thoughts all. Thank you. I hear what each of you are saying. John Doe's point of having a limit is understandable but then taking the heart of what JT said, does that put someone in the "enlightened thinker" position that he so hates? Dr. T

What exactly is an IP and how do you know they match?

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OH, Aristotles. They did come up. One of them is Ari. Ok. Thanks MrsS.

Hi Pushka, Would you be like that with someone you admire but see often?

Hello Idacat, How was the experience of writing a book for you?

Hi AK, Thank you for your understanding. I've been wondering where you have been. I hope you are well. I understand that analogies always break down. All that aside, I find it difficult to understand that if we are saying that glory gets passed along, that does not seem to be the case with your God. He is the only one with whom you have anything to do. He says he is a jealous god. If he was really passing on glory, pointing to the one that preceded him or any of that type of thing, why doesn't anyone talk about the specific deity that preceded him? See sir, that is the part that is troubling me right now. Best wishes to you and your family.

Hi Enoch, Why such strong convictions about that?