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Fiannan, Where was she? Did she have to leave because of that?

Hey Traveled One, You are correct. We have gotten away from the OP. It is my fault. I apologize. About apostasy, you ask, that is exactly my question. I am not the expert on this issue. I thought that the LDS members here have heard about it, read about it, have had discussion about it, etc. and would be the appropriate people to ask about it. My initial thought though, were that apostasy was complete not partial. I look forward to learning about what is taught to LDS members. Dr. T

Hi Ray, I posted that because of the depth in some of your posts. You write a lot into such a short arrangement of words, while annotating so much of it. Because I appreciate what you are trying to do, I have to smile. I shake my head because I think, "This man has a good heart. Now, if only he could be concise and direct about what he types..."

Ray, Sometimes your posts just make me smile. :) My head is shaking but I'm smiling.

Thank you Pushka. Fiannan, can you give me a source for that? Thanks

You don't think that you are saying, "If we enjoy sin, God will let us continue in sin in heaven." Are you saying that whatever it is that we enjoy that will follow in the afterlife. We will continue to sin or worship God for example? Thanks

So we are offended by God telling us we do "fill in the blank". Is that the same way we react between people and people or is it different?

So it wasn't you that said that? Hopefully the person who said it can let me know. Thanks

No, I do not find that hard to understand Traveler. What is your point?

So you posit that the after life will consist of the things we enjoyed for eternity?

Hi Maureen, Karma as is Buddhist and Hindu thought? Thanks

(sidenote, Traveler, In another thread you said Caucasians were the first people here not natives or mexicans. Do you have any resources that claim that? Thanks, Dr. T)

Good question Shan, I hear what you are saying. You seem to think that if God kill His children. There is a lot that goes into this topic. Let's first think back to the Bible and remember that there were "killing of His children." The flood for example. When that was all done, remember the rainbow and what God said about not doing that again. Dr. T

Hi Traveler, Good example. It's hard for me to see how something like that offends. If possible, please help me understand their offense. Thank you

Hello all, Talking to Ray started me thinking more about the concept of apostasy. (thanks Ray!) Since the LDS church claims an apostasy, I'm wondering what the signs that it happened. Could anyone tell me what that would be like, look like, feel like? What if the LDS church is in another apostasy right now. How would you know? How did the believers during the time of teh apostasy feel during that time? Were they aware? Did they continue to hold fast to their beliefs? Were those beliefs "good enough" for God because they were sincere? Did the sincerity not hold any water? I know you are not mind readers and you can't speak for them but what are your thoughts on those types of questions? Thanks, Dr. T

Hello Winnie G, You said, What do you mean by that?

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Why more work?

Thank you Ray. I will try and look at those soon. :)

Will you please give me a reference to "God commanding man to do it that way." I’d like to look into that. Thank you, Ray :)

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts so far. The more I look at this question, the more I wonder about someone’s core beliefs and their justification for them. I then think that anyone in opposition to them, no matter what motive they have for addressing such beliefs, would have a hard time not being offensive. I haven't done much reading/thought about relativism and I tend to out of hand dismiss it as “not my philosophy.” I wonder though about core beliefs such as sanctity of children. "Child abuse is wrong" or people's thoughts about same sex marriage. If we were to disagree with whatever topic that is opposed to someone's core belief, if we spoke up about it, aired out thoughts about it, it seems that it would be offensive (at the core) to that person? Like telling someone that the love of their life is “unfriendly” and “rude.” What about war, sexual perversion, cheating, lying, theft, religion, etc. When we speak up against it, wouldn't it offend people who base their actions/beliefs on some justification/rationalization about the appropriateness of that act/belief/behavior? Would we consider motive and then claim that “it is ok” to address? Do we hold out tongues and allow the opportunity to pass? I’m just looking for your thoughts. Dr. T

Is not God's authority all encompassing? Why the need for "laying on of hands"?

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