Royalohh

well we have sisters at this time so no hugs from me there but they hug my wife and daughter all the time when saying their goodbyes. might be a regional thing like the wheat.

I stand corrected I wasnt paying attention to those dates and they should be 1900 to 1914 there have been alot of posts bordering on criticism so I want to make something clear. I am not looking for hear-say. What my goal was is simple, to see if anyone had any hard facts any links to talks and or ordinances refering to my subject. I made mention that my wife was told by the bishop when she refered to it all basically that well it was a long time ago. for some people thats great but I like to know more I am looking for dates and talks and the such not just what people think. Thank you to all that have posted. there have been some really good links to talks that my wife and I have both enjoyed.

I remember reading a story about a woman giving a blessing and stating something to the effect of "bye the authority of my husbands priesthood" or something similar but I cant seem to find it again. Is it the story of sister Snow and her Oxen? Has anyone else heard of this or anything similar that has any proof other then something we have heard. like a conference talk or such?

I am looking for any information Gospel Doctrine on the following issue. Now what I am going to talk about gets a bit deep and can be confusing. I will try to keep it clear. OK where to start, My wife was in relief Society and a Question was asked. She admitted to me later she only caught part of what was asked and wishes she had never said anything at all. The question had to do with women giving healing blessings through their husbands priesthood authority if the husband is not present. My wife answered that their have been instances in the church where this has happened but didn't get much further then that before she was pounced upon and mauled. Needless to say she is very embarrassed. Now it does not end there. Someone went to the bishop who then called the Relief Society President. This Sister then informed my wife she mistaken in her belief and it went down hill from there. Now my wife has done a lot of research on many things and she happened to find a few articles from earlier leaders of the church talking about sisters and healing blessings and priesthood authority and healings of Faith and such. What she found goes a long way in explaining what she was trying to say but it is very old, and I mean 1900 to 1914 (edited dates) kind of old and I have not been able to find anything recent that touches on this subject. Now we have talked to our Bishop and his explanation was simple well that was a long time ago. Well I am sorry I need something more then that. So if there is anyone out there that can help me find anything that has to do with wives using their husbands priesthood authority or standing in and laying on hands with the husband while giving a blessing. I do have the Talks and may even have a link to find some of what I was talking about earlier I just do not have access to it at the moment so if you want it let me know and I will get it to you. Thank you in advance for your time.

I was working at a school K thru 12 when a teachers aid saw me in the hall and told me about the first plane. Many of us were standing there watching when the second one hit. Alot of scared children and adults that day so many questions I just couldnt answer.

Being as our ward is such a distance from the Stake building that we go to church at our children actually use the high school. there is a ward that uses the Church Building but their school boundries run in that area and there is a bus that the youth can catch to get to school.

There may be an issue with her about the Seminary being held at the public school, She just isnt letting us know about it. as for talking to my daughter of course we do... I am using this thread more as a sounding board listning to what people have to say and seeing if there is more I can say or do to connect with my daughter trying to understand her isnt easy for sure and thats all I am trying to do.

Some questions Royal: Does your daughter feel that she might be missing out on other things, having to go to bed early, that might be making her dread Seminary? Is it the "academic" part of Seminary that she might not be looking forward to? - since EFY, etc look more like social/activity based events. Is she a morning person or a night owl? M. This is the first year my daughter gets to stay up till 10 and no we leave it up to her if she wants to go to bed earlier then that. one plus with home school is if she gets all her work done she has free time in the afternoon and if she wanted could easily take a short nap. I dont see her fearing the academics at all unless they are going over math then she might have a few problems lol. as for the is she a day or night kinda person oh most assuradly shes a night owl. so am I but we all must learn our limits and face the dawn even if its noon when we do.

That is just killer funny you go girl free those gnomes !!!

Honestly I think now is not a good time to be bad mouthing the man for anything he has done period!!! Shanstress have a little respect please and try not to take everything so personal. This is about a good man who died I give my respects to Him and my heart felt sympathy to his family. I respect the man and cheer him for the life he lived the excitement he showed and the obvious love he showed for his work and his family. I hope we can all live a life like that. let us remember the old saying if you cant say something nice dont say anything at all shall we.

This isnt about my fears of whether my daughter will leave the LDS Faith If anything its her rebelling against me and her mother not wanting to do something we consider important but that she for now sees as a pain. We wish her to go to Seminary for so many reasons a better understanding of the church and its doctrin a part of it yes but I believe there is also something learned and gained by doing it and acomplishing the task of getting up early working to learn the scriptures and learning the values we as her parents cherish. Its interesting because she loves EFY and Super Saturday and Young Women on wednsday she is always ready and willing and happy on sunday for church, never a complaint there but so adament about not wanting the Seminary class kinda frustrating actually.

Id love to talk about this more Heather (seriously thinking about making a new Genaral topic) Probably not here though what do you think new Topic or would it be one of those Flame war topics best not even started? opinions?

So you know I have no problem with talking about homeschooling just tired of the negative talkers. I will talk with anyone that have serious questions even those that question why as long as its an honest question and not one to start an argument. as for the the ADHD and medication that was mentioned. My daughter was diagnosed with ADD and we have done MANY things to try not to medicate but for a short time we ended up having to a little over a year until we noticed changes in her and stopped she still has some attention problems but dosnt need the meds anymore. of course that is another thing we have to take into account with her decisions not to do seminary. I just wonder if other parents have gone through this with their daughters or sons at this age. might have to track Ben down I think he has a few daughters around this age and see if hes been through it.

Yes I hear you shanstress and I have read those articles and if I was asked if my daughter was a morning person I would say not a chance. But (you knew that was comming right?) I am not so old that I dont remember what it was like when i was a kid 5 or 6 am early mornings late nights and so on. I sometimes think its funny how all the sudden todays children dont have enough chemicals in their bodies to do the things we did and our parents and grandparents did and have been doing for the last 100 + years..... Well this is a good topic for another thread lol. and yes I believe children need rest and more then 5 or 6 hours but if she can get up early to watch a cartoon or go meet her friends then dog gone it she can get up early to do seminary.

Why would you assume that someone would reply with a negative comment on home schooling? M. Maureen I wish it wasnt easy for me to assume someone will but we have been homeschooling for many years and there is always someone that will start the negatives when they hear about it. In and out of the church. I could write a book I swear. I just wanted to put it up front "if you dont have anything nice to say then keep it to yourself"

I can just see it now Ed sitting at work Ed: yeah so I took a scale and wrapped it and left it in the drive this morning office guys: HAHAHAHAHAHA Mail man: Hey Ed a package just arrived for you Ed: hmm i wonder what it is? hey its ticking "BOOOOOOOMMMMMM" oh my!

Yes there are issues for sure. We have sat down with her talked and tried to get her to talk to us and figure out whats going on. She is being a bit stubburn not wanting to really talk to us. That is also unusual for her I have always been able to sit with her and talk and can usually get to the bottom of a problem pretty quick but not this time at least not yet. We (meaning my wife and I) are starting to lean towards her going through some church issues. I found out last night she hasnt been paying her tithing and she has not wanted to go to YW more and more. We are going to talk to her leaders this sunday and see if they have noticed anything also. She isnt kept locked up she has many things she does and opportunities to do things plus the co-op we go to. I am leaning more towards Lazy, she also just got back from her Grandparents was there for the last 6 weeks only been home a week and I know she was spoiled rotten while she was there. We are getting the Seminary information we need to teach her at home and yes we are going to make her get up and do it at the same time as if she was going with the group.

Ok heres the deal. My daughter has just informed her mother and myself she dosnt want to go to Seminary. This is totally out of the blue. She was ok with it and talked about it for a long time now blam she is totally against the idea. A little background, one we homeschool ( I really dont wanna hear any negatives about this ) we are doing a little investigating and trying to find a reason for the change, havnt found one yet and cant get a good reason from her other then I dont want to. She knows everyone in seminary and shes not the only one homeschooled. the only thing we have so far is her best friend recently moved away and maybe shes feeling seperated from the others. the other thing is we have had a run of bad luck and are down to one working vehicle. and due to policy the teacher isnt allowed to give rides to any of the students so no way to get her to Seminary due to me leaving for work at 5 and so forth. Problem solved right .... Wrong my wife is ordering the things we need to teach her at home untill we can get her back to classes with the others. I agree with my wife I feel she needs to go thats our decision period. the thing is i have that nagging thing in my head that keeps saying .... Hey what about free will dosnt she get a choice? I then start arguing with myself about how much freedom and choice to give a 14-1/2 yr old (yeah she lets us know that 1/2 I am waiting on the 3/4 to pop up soon) . Yes I know they have to make mistakes to learn and I know if you let them run free that it can be a bad thing also sooooooooo.... What I am asking is for any of you Parents of Seminary age girls and boys have you faced this? are you facing this and whats your thoughts?

I am saddened to hear what it is you have gone through because it reminds me of things that have happened to me the feelings of isolation and then the doubt. As I have grown through these things I realize that much of the problems were of my own making, low self esteem led to me thinking others didnt like me or care to be around me so I strated to isolate myself which led me further away from the truths of things. there were some very mean and uncaring people that started it all and I just continued downhill. it wasnt untill I moved to a new ward and made or should i say forced myself get to know some people that, that all started to change. I think you have a chance here to really learn and grow in your testimony, but I also think its going to be a tuff time for you. your going to have to trust new people and put your heart in a position to be hurt again, I wish I could say hey no prob go talk to the bishop he will fix it all for you but things like what you are going through right now take time. time for you to learn and figure out your feelings your faith. I suggest you try to start over, read your scriptures maybe even take the discussions again and reaffirm what your foundation is then you can take the steps you need to move on with your life in the direction you need to go. My heart goes out to you and so do my prayors I dont know what health problems you face but I know that when a person is sick or in pain it is harder to focus on the important things because our minds or so focused on ourselves. I guess what im trying to say is when I am at my worst when I cant see strait because of the pain I can tell you the only thing that helps me is by doing something for someone else and remembering what my foundation is. I hope and pray that you can find what you seek and I know that you are not alone not here or in the church. Everyone faces a crises of faith at some time and you can count on the advisary to kick you when your down. hang in there prey often and seek counsel from your bishop or stake leaders.

Look I dont want you to misunderstand what I am about to say so I am telling you now I do not mean to offend. You are young only 16 and have alot of things ahead of you. the chances of this girl being the one day woman you will marry are really low more then you can imagine. not to say it cant happen just really slim. I know in that teenage frenzy that all of us have gone through and your having to go through now it seems like your being singled out or cut out because you dont measure up. well its just not true! I have a daughter and she wont one on one date till shes 18 thats that I dont care who it is that asks her period end of discussions. dosnt have anything to do with the boy at all. As parents we set rules for our children the church has standards that me and my family follow. they are good standards that help young men and young women your age stay chaste. I dont care how strong you think you are things will happen and the overconfidence of youth will mess up your life and hers too. Honestly I think you should show more respect to her parents and to her, focus on learning more of the church and why those rules are so important to us and you will find a peace there. If you and this young lady are ment to be then it will happen but not today or not even the next 2 or 3 years so dont get so wound up, relax and if i might say Prey.

My Daughter (14) first saw the show last season and LOVED it and got the rest of the family hooked on it. We started watching it when it first came on this season and noticed Benji right off. My Daughter was like going nuts when she heard him talk about getting back from a mission recently LOL. We have been watching and honestly I think he has a REALLY good chance of going all the way. It is funny to see all the signs CTB lol. as for him dating his partner I havnt seen anything about it but they really do have a chemistry together. You do realize that his cousin is Heidi right. good chance she is LDS also and My daughter said she heard the Allison could be also. hmmmm dont know though. Its a fun show to watch though have to tape it so the Daughter can watch it being as its on activity night lol if I miss taping it I might not live to see the next day.

Thanks for that Char it did fit in well with the topic

Thanks for everyone sharing Ideas and thoughts. I think the getting the community informed and involved is a great idea too. I can only hope the way I think I will act is actually the way I will if it ever comes to the point of having to rely on food storage and things are just that bad.

I used to download music all the time but then this whole thing came out about pirating and all so I stopped and I wont get any more unless a judge says its ok or a law is passed that tells me I can. For the time being its illeagle so I must stop. I have a neighbor who downloads all the time also movies. I don't let my children watch those movies unless I rent them or buy them. In my mind its against the law so we shouldn't and no amount of justifing makes it ok to do so. Just my opinion EDIT: Just wanted to add that I am referring to non pay downloads. as far as I know paying for downloads from a lagit is perfectly legal.

I can think of many "ADULTS" that do not act as mature as my 14 yr old so I think maturity is really something we gain with time I look back at some of the things i said an did in my mid to early twenties and think I must have been the most immature person around. I look at my Daughter and I would put her up against any other child her age no problem in most cases but there are just SO many things out there and no way for me to help her prepare for them all and I think we as a people tend to fall back on the more immature side of our nature when we are faced with new and unfamiliar things. I guess what I am trying to say is I don't know when they are if there is a magical age when one minute your immature and the next mature but we have about 18 years or so to prepare them the best we can.