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I would speak to a priesthood authority. It sounds like its giving you enough grief. A Bishop can take it from there and either talk to you two together and figure if there is something that can be done, or he can send you to therapy if you feel that its necessary. It takes two people to make a marriage work, and obviously there are some responsibilities not being met. Honestly before you go to a Bishop, I would talk to him first and see what you can solve by yourselves. Communication is KEY in a marriage, and if you bottle your feelings in yourself and only vent them here, you're not really giving him a chance to defend/ make things right for himself. Once you've tried to have this talk with him on "what can be do to be happier with each other", If he is unwilling to cooperate, thats when i would take it forward to a Bishop and tell him you've done everything you can.

Me and my friend cameron got both of our wifes hooked on minecraft for the xbox and we play all the time. Looks very nice!

Why a rude response? I never made it my business, but thanks for the bold and unthoughtful assumption? My friend started going back to church and through inactivity had questions he wanted answered before the long scheduled "return and report" meeting with his bishop. What am going to say "get away and dont ask me these questions you creep."? That's definitely the way to keep friends. He's read everything on here and has chose its better to not worry and will clarify with the bishop when his meeting comes up. This thread can be closed

Ah, that explains it. Thanks, and also thanks for the comments anywhere you are in the forums. Bini and I definitely enjoy them and I'm sure many others.

PC, i have many memories of my mission in Florida of people pointing out scriptures in the bible stating things like "...God, the highest God".. Sometimes Christ being called "Lord of Lords" which isnt exactly the same thing.. But i specifically remember Deut 10:17. Whats your opinion of this scripture? Is this to say our God is the highest of other gods? Or is it saying our God is the only God?

Found it. This was copied from the thread Hewitt created about Being Atheist and Homosexual "There are ethicists, and even education theorists, who agree with you. As an end-goal, I do too. However, keep in mind that Solomon said the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Fear may drive some into the kingdom--even the Telestial one. Grace, love, and hungering and thirsting after righteousness may be what propels them to higher glory. So, to clarify my point--whether one finds the straight and narrow way by an appeal to love or by the fear of hell, what matters is that they begin their journey on that gospel road. The higher motivations will come. ""

Just wondering about your story lol. Im fairly new, and saw that you're a senior moderator of LDS.net, and your religion is Protestant. If you don't mind me asking (and certainly with all due respect), what interests you to be so active in a LDS forum? Also, i could be mistaken, but i remember seeing you comment recently on certain actions leading to the Telestial Kingdom, a doctrine i thought was singular to LDS doctrine. Do you share these views, or was i just mistaken? Ill try to see what thread i was looking at.. Im just intrigued I served my mission in Jacksonville Florida, very much populated with baptists and protestants. i enjoy hearing about people and their affiliation (sp) with the church, especially those who are not members. I guess they call it "True Christianity" when those of different sects, such as yourself, can still be so involved and caring of those who share different beliefs.

I like to use a kind of reverse strategy when solving things with my wife. Her whole family is very volcanic, she was grown and raised as the youngest also, so sometimes she can be a hot head lol. So solving things sometimes, you really have to get good at how articulate you are with your words. for example, dont say "whats wrong with you, why do you always have an attitude?!?!?" try "hey, is something im doing bothering you? you seem extremely distant and annoyed at me, and i want to make sure everything is ok." This doesnt solve the problem, but it brings attention to the fact that you see something is obviously wrong. Just like another member said, we only have one side of the story.. maybe she is mad at you for some reason? Whatever it may be, communication is the key. Also, memories. Sometimes its nice to sit back for a second and look at some old pictures.. wedding pics.. talk about the good ol days. Sometimes experiences like this trigger thoughts of "how the heck did our marriage get here?" and then the caring attitude of -lets solve this- comes out. The best advice though.. Pray and fast. We only know one side of the story, you and your wife may only be seeing one side without knowing it, But God is omniscient. Some say "i pray so much and dont get anything back" Well pray harder! pray longer! Its your wife for heavens sake lol. hope this helps

Is there a specific aspect of the church that you are having a hard time grasping? AKA "having a hard time holding on the iron rod" Also, what aspects of married life are you wishing to learn more about? Another great book i would suggest is one at deseret book called 100 questions to ask before you get married. It has great questions to ask each other to prepare you for things to come, and where responsibilities fall. specific questions receive specific answers. As far as marriage life though, best two words you could ever learn are these: Yes ma'am.

It most definitely does.. I go paintballing with guns with friends and slingshot paintballing with some of my young men in the ward. no matter how fast that thing is coming at you, the paint just seeps through if it breaks.

I think of it as buying food on the sabbath. The old ox in the ditch analogy Christ gave to the Pharisees. You definitely shouldnt be making someone else work or purchase things on the sabbath. But if youre driving home and still on the road and completely starving, The Lord understands your choice isnt a great one.

My personal opinion is that whether its in the genes, or mentality, i dont believe a portion of the attraction is a choice. BUT, it is a choice to act on those attractions, and the more you act on them, the less they become a choice. I look at it as a similar concept of addictions to alcohol. Some people have it in their genes to be alcoholics. If they choose to give in to alcoholism, they are choosing to become addicted to it, and being addicted to anything restricts your choice. Therefore, it would be easy for them to say "its not my choice to drink, i couldnt function without it" Everyone has a road they are asked to walk. It is not my place to judge Hewitt for how he has walked his, but I can come to the conclusion that It is in my genes to be a sinner. Doesnt mean i was born to be a sinner though. I have all kinds of attractions to envy, lie, steal, harm someone else, and worst of all cut off that jerk that didnt use his blinker. If i am to be a loving person though, i must not obey the carnal mind, but rather the spiritual. Not making this up at all, i have three males who have same sex attraction in my life, one is my uncle, who chooses to be openly gay, a Zone leader from my mission a year ago who just came out of the closet and now is openly a cross dresser, and a third who has been fighting same sex attraction since he was 7. All were raised in the church except for the last. He was a convert, listened to the teachings, and for the first time in 20+ years, found an attraction to a very beautiful girl. From what i understand, they dated three times and decided to part ways, but the point is, is that he walked all over that road he was asked to walk and not for a second did he look back. Sure, he's not married yet, but my believe is finding that spark that makes a mans knees weak when a beautiful woman walks in a room was a huge mountain my dear friend climbed. Fighting same sex attraction will always seem like a victory that can never be won. The only reason i know this is because same sex attraction is a sin, just like my weaknesses are sins, and my battle for self mastery always seems like a longshot. Your an Atheist and I am a Christian, knowing we cant find a religious middle ground, take a lesson from nature. Jim Watkins once said " A river cuts through rock, not because of its power, but rather its persistence." With God all things are possible my friend. 1 I do embrace who you are because who you are is not what you are. Your identity as a spiritual child of God has nothing to do with your choice of behaving homosexually. 2 I need God because he helps me just like he helped my friend. I cant do this alone, otherwise I would have given into my specific carnal attractions a long time ago

Lol Im extremely surprised this thread is still alive. To answer the last statement, simply google "airsoft injuries" and it should answer your question entirely. I'd take bruises and welts any day over missing teeth, chipped teeth, broken skin, swollen knuckles.. and buying new lenses every time i get shot in the mask. You'd be replacing paint with blood lol. As for our decision in case anyone is wondering, we decided to leave the garments folded and waiting for us on the bed when we got home. Just as everyone has said, we are taught the doctrine and expected to use our best judgement, and to me, body oils.. sweat stains.. etc are normal wear and tear per say. But me purposely and unnaturally staining them with paint just urks me. Some paintballers can get around it, more layers.. different paint ( some have the texture of ground down chalk and water, others is just an ooze. the ooze is the one that stains the worst and never dries) but i cant control what paint someone else shoots at me and your friends must be having better luck than I, but Im wearing military issue camo and its still gets through my layers. Staining them on construction jobs.. automotive jobs.. etc to me is in the same category of working on the sabbath, sometimes you cant get around it and you have to fulfill your duties and do your best. But sport and work to me are different categories. Again this is entirely my opinion and am not forcing or trying to convince anyone. I am just doing my best to keep my garments as white as i can. Just throwing a drop in the water bucket.

Sorry it took me a while to answer back! thanks for all the responses and sorry for the "squirmish" details lol. He has a follow up interview this week and he's looking forward to it to show his progress. one question though, obviously my use of the term "penalty" was misused, and thanks for the correction. Im having a hard time interpreting your response though. Are you saying yes, there is a higher repentance for heavy petting, therefore he should go and clarify? Or in your other sentence, should he not worry about it because " the adversary surely wants this young man to question and fear"? I showed him the responses and his last inquiry was something like "so all i am required to do is answer all questions honestly? even if the bishop may not ask all necessary questions? And if my case by case situation is that he did ask all necessary questions, what if he didnt ask detailed questions? Is petting and heavy petting treated exactly the same, yes or no, is his biggest question that would solve all worries. Obviously following the spirit is answer #1, and he has prayed a lot about it from what he's said. He hasnt received an exact answer of one of the other though, at least not yet. thanks again guys.

Talk to your bishop man. i just posted in the advice forums about a friend that had gone inactive. Deep down inside you, it seems you have the desire to be better, but having a hard time finding the drive. Sins or no sins, a bishop is amazing. he's someone that can guide with the spirit to help you in your personal spiritual progression, no matter what step forward you need.

From what I understand. my friend began to confess dry thrusting and then the bishop asked after that "Was there any petting" and my friend said yes. Without any detail the bishop began to tell him what to do, so my friends biggest concern was after the bishop had asked him if there was any petting involved should he have said yes AND heavy petting or should he be okay by just saying there was petting. He wasn't withholding anything he was just answering with the best of his ability, he thought that's what it was called he didn't know the difference between the two. Is there a higher penalty for heavy petting or are the treated the same? That's what he's most concerned about.

Hey guys, im a recently married RM, and one of my best friends from all the way into 3rd grade became inactive and moves out of town very close a lady in pecticular. He's been to the bishop just recently for petting, dry thrusting and self gratification and felt amazing coming out of the office. He has a two month probation and then is when he will talk to bishop about being ready for papers or not! Not the best news but a step forward is still a step forward! He's been reading miracle of forgiveness and loves it. Here's the help needed! It had never struck him that petting had different categories, he thought petting was just touching a girl inappropriately clothes or no clothes, chest or down below (trying to keep it PG) He said the bishop never asked details, it was just what did you do and how often did it happen. Miracle of forgiveness said something like petting, and especially heavy petting, are extremely close twins with fornication. I've checked this book and mormon doctrine (however reliable it is )and and could not find something that would tell me heavy petting was more rash or a heavier sin than just petting. He is wanting to know if his confession and feelings were legitimate or if he needs ti go back and specify what kind of petting it was. Please help! He's eager to move forward and anxious he did something wrong. He really doesn't want the bishop to think he was holding back details like you hear so much about, but of he has to go back he will Thanks

i personally think this is where you begin to get into the topic of opinion. I dont think the Lord will condemn me for my reverence of not wanting to purposely stain them as he wouldnt condemn another for feeling the need to wear them as much as he felt comfortable. When we get -this- far into should or shouldnt i, its honestly up to you and the lord. Some feel when youre sick you should stay home from church, others feel you go until youre absolutely incapable. thats why i asked for opinions. If my garments had a stain, yes i would dispose of them. others have a more rigorous lifestyle like farmers for example where a stain is a daily occurrence.

perfect, Thanks Skippy and other mod for the informative correction

I just bought a alpha black tippmann on ebay for $85 and im stoked lol. Haven't been since I've been off my mission for 9 months

Looks like me and the wife decided to go without the garments. Thanks loudmouth mormon, your input made sense. If priesthood leadership sees it ok to go work out without them, surely they would understand not wanting sweat/dirt/ and more importantly paint stains. But again this is my personal outlook. Those who would still wear them, I support your decision. And just for good measure, skippy no hard feelings, though I must completely disagree with your reasoning behind calling garments your g's. Just because im viewing this thread from a smart phone and choose to short hand write my responses doesn't at all mean I have any less respect for my temple covenants than anyone else. Also, many times I call them g's outloud, and have never been corrected by anyone, more importantly my grandparents who are temple workers themselves. I would ask you don't be so quick to judge on such little things. I understand and support your opinion of what you refer your garments as, but I don't believe a mod should enforce his opinion on anyone by changing my words. If you would like to show some references on a prophet or apostle enforcing this I would gladly change it myself. Still no hard feelings. I just ask that we agree to disagree

Thanks for the input guys. Appreciated it all except skippys scripture.. highly doubt the want to understand how to respect the temple garment during a certain activity could be put in the same category as needing to be "compelled" in all things lol.. thanks for the wisdom pal.. But anyways, I've always worn my garments during sports like soccer, ultimate frisbee, baseball, etc because im not pro enough to say "this restricting my game". Whoever commented that garments shouldn't make you sweat anymore than without them, it honestly depends on the day, type of garment, and how much you Run. But I live in Arizona where its climbing to the 100s and beyond lol. But like I said, that's not really the reason at all its purposely going to an activity fully aware that your garment will be unnaturally stained( as opposed to body oils) that my question derived from. My mind seems to be directing me to either having a certain pair of paintball garments or not wearing them for th e activity. The two best and opposing statements putting me on the fence are the two: "Dont have a pair designated to be stained because then the mentality of "ordinary undies " comes into play, and the last mods statement of going to work and getting motor oil on them at work everyday. Great personal opinions and to me both are right in their respective ways. Thanks for the input guys, ill speak with my wife and come to a conclusion

Hey guys, simple question: What's your opinion about wearing/not wearing garments while paintballing. Ive only always worn them while paintballing because i feel a little weird without them, but i HATE that the paint ALWAYS seeps through my shirts and stains my garments. also, it gets extremely hot running around with all those layers.. so what do you think? Im a fairly young endowed and married member of the church, so i dont exactly know the do's and donts of garments. ive heard the "three S's" talk, dont wear them during sports swimming and shower, but i know some members feel they should wear them during sports anyways. ps please dont only give the answer "its your personal opinion" because im asking for yours. Ill use your opinion/ info and a prayer to figure whats best. my biggest complaint is the stains..

i would simply say a burning in your chest as you described is the spirit bearing ITS testimony to YOU. or it was a testimony from the holy ghost when it descended like a dove at Christs baptism. YOU bearing YOUR testimony is usually verbal, most cases at the podium at church. so burning in your chest gives you something to have a testimony about. your testimony is your faith/belief, that you share in word and deed. hope that helps

last time ill comment on the subject.. really this time. Dravin you are correct, the scriptural version of the logo is one word at a time and in caps. my plea wasnt exactly what the logo's form or font it was in, just simply that it was there. the logo comes in many fonts, and forms. just because Nike decides to make their logo one letter at a time down a shirt still doesnt mean its not their logo/copyrighted name. Snow, my evidence was mormon doctrine, a book written by an apostle that is neither published by the church, accepted as doctrine (though still has spiritually correct statements like another poster commented) and it does not have the logo.. evidence of logo is still present, dravin cleared that up. evidence of a book written only by one apostle considered not doctrine.. also cleared up by a quote dravin made, which somehow seems very similar to what my friend said to me... hmm. strange.. (sarcasm) Ill say this one last time, because i still fail to see my hypothesis has been proven wrong, though im still open to be wrong. logo does not directly equal doctrine. logo means published by church. only a select few things are published by the church. (scriptures.. living christ.. pmg.. church handbooks..) all things that i have seen published by the church i have considered doctrine. if anyone knows of a book published by the church they want to opening say is not doctrine, message me. id love to see what you got. and i believe dravin, you were the one that said the Friend magazine had recipes in it, haha that was a good point! made me smile, of course its DOCTRINE jk well. my counter statement to that is some book of mormons have pictures in the front. theres no way the PICTURES could be accurate with nephi looked like this.. alma looked like that.. they are just put in a doctrinal book for the readers accommodation. though one may come back and say "No you said ANYTHING with a logo, the book of mormon has a logo, those pictures are inside the book, your proving yourself wrong!" not really. just because the pictures are in the same binding doesnt mean its part of the Book of Mormon. but anyways.. the one second thought of does the miracle of forgiveness have the logo turned into an open debate that im done debating. i can see both sides of it. ps- Snow, theres nothing wrong with having a friendly disagreement. life is too short to get flustered at small things, even if some dork you've never met on a forum has another opinion. thank you and goodnight. lets be adults and get back to the context of the thread.