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Well theres a distinct difference between a watch beep, carbon dioxide and smoke detector beep, and an alarm clock beep? yes, all of them are beeps, but if we all had our eyes closed, we could still all tell which is which? what does the beep sound the most like?

Shdwlkr, I know you havent said this exactly or anything close to it, so dont stone me here, but saying "are some people suppose to be single" is just like saying "Has God made it so, that some people will live their lives single?" am I correct? Dont take me wrong, but Im going off the deep end ONLY to bring some clarity. A great example is when my best friend who was like a brother to me was shot and killed in a truck my family gave him while i was 6 months out on my mission. I hated life.. hated everything.. and worst, blamed God. I know you dont blame God consciously like i did, but digging deeper into your question, it really is what your asking. And the answer is a flat out No. Dont assume that because your life has been a hard one to travel that it is the way its suppose to be forever. Also more importantly, Dont blame God's plan for you for your single life when you should be blaming the person who murdered your first wife and the other two who left you. Should you forgive them and move on? Of course? But is the blame still theirs? Most definitely. You've just had a run of bad luck, for lack of a more meaningful term. Get on your knees and listen to what God has to say about you before you listen to some selfish women who have turned you down for erroneous reasons. To be fully honest, Im glad they did say those things outloud. Showed their true colors and showed their not worth your time :) Keep your chin up and dont sell yourself short. Also remember Priorities. Spouses need attention and time just as much as a farm needs water. If you are choosing to work an 80 hr week, you yourself are choosing to lower the amount of time you could be spending looking for a mate and taking her on those cheesy dates she loves like goofy golfing and bumper cars. Poetically speaking, youre falling on your own sword. cut some time out of your weekend and make some friends. Its not too much of a sacrifice. Also, i havent read into to much detail about your son, is he old enough to help on the farm? ps- Next time a woman says something like that to you, ask them to eat their make up instead of wear it, and hopefully someday they'll be pretty on the inside as they are on the outside

Alucard1975, please stop putting a blind eye to your responses so we can all just get over this... ..This very month you have decided to join LDS.net to offer your opinion. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOUR OPINION. NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE. Lets get that on the table and stop talking about it. I am fully aware i posted a question on a public forum. The point is, there is a happy medium. You don't have an ultimatum of "fuzzy nice pretty comments and rude comments. Dont try to mask your offensive ways of responding by a table cloth of your "point of view". We never said you had to stop responding. We said lighten up. There are a million ways to say something my friend, and consistently youre choosing to be rude, my thread and many others. There hasnt been a single other person to back you up and say that you havent been rude, so take that into consideration and make a change. I havent seen any threads created by you, so this tells me that you joined to offer your opinion. AWESOME. We need more opinions. Here's a bit of advice. No one is going to take your advice in the ways you've offered it. Asking you to be kind with your words has nothing to do with comments that shower warm fuzzies, its just being civil. Can we please move on now?

Seriously. lol

before the dispute goes any farther, Can you provide exact scriptures that specifically say that "those who abide in the spirit world are claimed by satan" This would solve all issues. if you wish for me to site all the scriptures i just used id be more than happy to and find ya more if you like

The statement "Satan claims them" is similar to the statement that Satan "Seals you his", and that only happens if your done for, judgement is over, and theres nothing you can do with your standing with God. Look at Christs life in the Gospel books of the bible, especially Luke.. 1. Christ is put on the cross next to two thieves. One probes him with taunts and temptations, the other pleads that Christ had mercy on him and mention his name to God. Christ say "on the morrow you will be with me in paradise" BARE IN MIND THIS DUDE WAS A THIEF AND IM SURE A MURDERER. 2. Christ returns to Mary and says "touch me not for I have not acended to my father in heaven"... So he didnt go to heaven.. 3. the 2nd book of 2 peter talks of Christ "preaching to the spirits in prision" during the time he was gone from this world.If Satan "claimed" souls in the prison, namely this thief Christ just promised he would be with in paradise, Why did Christ go there to Teach to them after his death for three days? I hope Im not struck down for speaking for Him, but i highly doubt Christ would walk into the spirit prision just to tell them "Hey i just wanted to let you all know that for the next three days im going to be talking to you all about how youre all lost and claimed by Satan"... That seems like complete bogus doesnt it?... The only conclusion is that they were not claimed, but rather in a position of change, meaning they could be redeemed.

A lot of uneducated mormons have think there is no such thing as hell. This derived from the doctrine of "outer darkness" I remember some of my friends saying " i dont believe in hell, but i'd never want to go there!" lol Anyways, hell IS real. all of the Fire and Brimstone both the Book of mormon and Bible talk about, The LDS theology agrees with it. To my understanding, if you go to DC 19, It talks about that if someone does not accept Christs payment for their sins " They must suffer even as i God, the greatest of all" what this is to mean is that After judgement, if you did not accept Christ, you will go through a Purging in Hell. The fire will cleanse you, and however many sins you did.. is however long you stay in there... kinda.. but you get the point. Hell Is NOT forever though. Once your sins are burned out of you and you have paid for them , you will be thrust into the lowest Kingdom, The Telestial, which is still a magnificent Kingdom but is not the highest. Remember, ANYONE who has ever walked on this earth and gained a body were numbered with those who accepted Christ in the beginning of the premortal existence. All of us were promised an eternal body and a Kingdom no matter what.. as long as we didnt deny the spirit or Christ. This is where the Doctrine of being "saved" comes from. You are saved from eternal death and hell, but being saved DOES NOT mean you are EXALTED. You will still be in heaven. you just wont be in the highest.

TumbledQuartz, dont mean to be repetitive, but I would really like to know the answer to the question i asked earlier. Quite honestly, and with all respect given, i couldnt care less what your husband thinks of you, Im more interested in your opinion. Are you content with yourself? If you didnt have your husband nagging at you about your weight, would you even think about it? Lets be honest, people come in all shapes and sizes. Sometimes asking someone to lose weight is like asking my 5ft wife to grow a couple inches. Ive seen too many times, big boned people try so hard to be skinny, they accomplish it and their body just goes into absolute shock because it just wasnt made to do that. everyday they were fighting head colds.. flu.. the shakes.. all those symptoms all because they went past their limits. Have you ever heard the phrase "you wear it well" , in reference to someone asking about anothers weight? numbers on a scale mean nothing, If you have a sincere smile on your face and life is good, to me that constitutes "wearing it well"

PS a fresh start will be amazing for you. Moving for college means = singles wards = kids your age. I love new beginnings. Reminds me of the Song Boston by Augustana.

Anon, Though i kinda see where your bishop is coming from, i still dont agree with his statements... Obviously you've had some hurdles to jump over and Im glad to hear that youre willing to jump them. But If i could defend the Bishop that cant defend himself here, sometimes conversation between men and women get so misinterpreted. Obviously because men most of the time are very short and brief, without a lot of emotion to read. I REALLY doubt he meant that you were a waste of time, or that trying to help you wouldnt be worth it to him. Some disciplinary actions take more time than three weeks, and if youre moving soon, I bet what he failed to convey was that he thought it would be better for you to have the whole repentence process monitored by a single bishop than try and split things between two. I will be honest and say me and my wife had some hurdles of ourselves that we needed to get over while we were engaged, and i had just moved into a new ward that was just getting a change of bishopric the next sunday. He listened intently and simply challenged me to relay everything that i had told him to the next bishopric who could better help me, compared to the little time this bishop had. It made sense to me at the time and we did. Long story short were happily married in the temple now :) Sometime we are our worst enemies and when our heart have a heavy feeling, we tend to look for the bad. I would take your meeting in a different light and Im sure you could come to a better conclusion of what your bishop meant. hopefully that helps

Just do yourself a favor and remember how happy God is that you made the correct decision to stick to the hard road and take the necessary steps to get back. I worked with a lot of ex-members and they became so discouraged that things didnt happen instantly... what in the world will people think of me... blah blah blah... The heavens are roaring harder than a stadium of football fans because you made these good decisions.

It is just strange to look back at all the things that led to his decision of leaving the church recently and this was distinctly one of them. It completely devastated my friend and his siblings. his father said he wouldnt pay any part of his mission and told my friends sister that he wouldnt pay for or have anything to do with her marriage if it had anything to do with the temple. My friend took second jobs and worked his way to his mission and just barely got back. Its just tough times... His dad is a stubborn nut though. One of those guys that you could be speaking complete logic, and if he doesnt agree with it, you might as week be speaking greek.

One of my friends dad left the church completely out of the blue and it was a bit of a shock.. But looking back on some of the things i believed led to his exodus, i was wondering about something he said to me and my friend when i was staying at their house. His proposed that we watch a certain rated R movie because it was rated R back in the 90's. This, to him, meant that it really wasnt that bad, because back in those days, everything was taken too seriously, and a rated R movie back then would be the equivalent of a PG-13 today. Me and my friend were 15-16 around that time. He watched it because obviously he had faith in his father, but me in the other hand decided to leave respectfully. I said even though i agreed that the world has changed its explicit ratings to allow more and more, to me, its more of a obedience thing than it is a rating issue. The Law of obedience is only second to the commandment to love the Lord thy God. anyways, would anyone have taken that differently, have same or opposing takes on it.. just wanted to see the disscussion on R movies nowadays. Ive heard some people say the advice to not watch R movies is similar to the advice to not single date when your 16. Its not a commandment, just a word of warning as long as nothing sexual is in the movie. Now obviously "nothing sexual" can be taken many ways as to whether someone interprets that as full nudity or a silhouetted sex scene, but i digress.

Is there such thing as a weaknesses section? Its certainly not on the members records that shows priesthood ordinations and baptism dates...

Swiper, Ill try to not deviate and answer your question clearly best way to let her know is dont blurt it out all at once. Sit her down and prepare her and just say " hey sometime is troubling me and i need to discuss something with you" I can tell you have animosity towards the church, your greatest mistake would be taking that and aiming it at your wife. Also, a lot of us members on this thread are asking you a lot of questions we may or may not have the right of asking, but thats up to you.. what i dont believe is up to you is to be fair to your wife and please allow her to ask these questions.. but be mad and short with her when she is persistent in asking a lot of questions too.. your conversation with her will definitely be devastating, but dont allow it to get hostile. Remember, in her heart she believes that if you two live worthily, you can stay sealed. Any marriage outside of the temple always says "until death do you part". By leaving the church, your leaving this grand belief and way of life in your marriage. I dont know how serious your wife is, and Ive heard two sides of this story.. Some wives stay with their husbands no matter what.. some leave with divorce because in their heart, they may feel "If i cant have him forever, why have him now?" again, i dont know your wife... but just be cautious ok? Can we at least agree that you're leaving the church UNTIL a testimony falls out of the sky? I would think that would be a worlds difference to your wife than just saying "Im leaving no matter what".

Something that Ive heard that has always helped is keep a drink near by. Drinkers, whether its coffee alcohol soda.. sugared drinks for diabetics.. sometimes the mental habit of simply having a drink of anything helps the addiction of caffeine. So grab your favorite drink. I used to be addicted to red bull, im partially an insomniac and tried it and it turned out to be a great mistake.. i just kept orange soda around because its a favorite next to code red mountain dew, but i didnt want something that also had caffeine. after my headaches went away, i enjoyed a coca cola or mountain dew occasionally

Not to disagree with some prominent members here, but at the time, she had no affiliation with the church.. Would that also mean that she did not know that it was a wrong thing to do? If me and my wife had an abortion thats an entirely different story, we KNOW that its wrong.. Im really not sure, and i really dont want to say "no its ok", but i sincerely doubt that she would have penalties for the "light and knowledge" she did not have at the time.. ....... When i first started this comment, i did not realize your wording. I thought you said she wasnt a member. If she WAS a member, inactive or not, i believe she should. I still feel the bishop would compensate for her not knowing, but the doubt and worry is completely not worth it. better safe than sorry :/

What are you trying to say?!

Haha, hope everyone doesnt get sick of me and my mission stories... BUT Im an RM of a year ago, my best convert story ever was a best friend i gained on the mission who was ex communicated. It took him FOREVER to get back in the groove, haha but it was a fun process. anyways, Im 100% positive he did not immediately get his old garments back on. Excommunicated means back to square one. His brother had also been excommunicated a year back, and that brother recently just got the aaonic priesthood back when i was working with my friend. In a sense, youre treated like a new member. when youre rebaptized, you are watched slightly by the bishop. he just makes sure that youre taking your re baptism seriously.. paying tithing.. attending regularly.. and soon enough accepting a calling. When a yr has been up and you and the bishop feel that youre ready, you would go through again. He MAY allow you to do baptisms for the dead, which technically isnt "going through the temple", to help you stay on fire and keep the progress going. hope that helps

A lot of my friends absolutely loved the movie, i did as well. Honestly, I believe if i saw The Dark Knight Just before Rises, i still would have loved the third movie. Reason being, i stood in awe when i saw Batman Begins... SO MUCH progression in the characters.. they make batman so real.. so human.. it was captivating, especially since batman has always been my childhood favorite. Some of the things i absolutely loved about this series and the third movie is how believable the story is. Bane isnt just some "hulk" figure that got his hulk body from Venom in Spiderman (i believe that's where he got it), but either way he doesnt have this freakishy huge body with a zipper for a mouth. The Use of catwomans goggles as the trademark "cat ears" for her costume instead of sticking cutesy costume ears on is a small detail... just different things like that. Lots of points in the movies, i didnt feel like i was watching another marvel movie. Loved the story, loved everything. Things i didnt like The biggest complaint Ive heard about the movie is Banes Voice, and how hard it was to interpret what he was saying. I agree, though it didnt bother me, i was so into the movie and what was going on. Other things like daughter of the guy who led the League of Shadows, how she dies... her AND Gordon were in that truck.. the truck fell and somehow she tragically dies slow and painful.. and Gordon skips out of the back of the truck a little woozy? Also, how does batman come back from an atom bomb? Is the movie implying he survived it, or implying at some point he mysteriously got away from it just like he disappears on Gordon on the tower so many times? Some others of my friends said it was lame that Nolan brought back a lot of the same characters he used in inception.. I didnt mind it though Last thing that surprised me.. Anne Hathaway. She stikes me too much as the cute best friend of some lead actor in any chick flick.. Im trying to say this correctly, but catwoman is supposed to be menacing, seductive, all that kind of jazz. (and no people, i wasnt hoping i would be seduced lol. Im just talking about accuracy of the portrayal of the character) and believe it or not I believe she did an amazing job. Catwoman wasnt at all seductive without reason, which would have been cheesy, and they actually made her a bit of a robin hood, though at heart she still was a thief. I still give the movie a 10 out of 10.

lol your maturity in how you speak to people says otherwise.. Whatever those "many" experiences caused you to wake up on the wrong side of the bed, you can have them.

lol I suggested the idea. he was ok with that as long as i didnt name names. I dont know why you would point out that he should go to a bishop when he already tried to meet with him a long time ago but had to be scheduled for a later date. Bishops are busy. Sometimes, its not so bad to talk to friends and to be so curious about your standing with God that you would do anything to find answers. So, in this case, theres no reason to post here unless your looking for an argument. Judging by any other post you've made in any thread, it seems thats all your willing to do :) So dont have too much fun kid.

Does Stephanie Meyers live in az? Does that mean you live in AZ? I live in az so i was just wondering, lol

I just commented in another thread that it is hard to love someone that doesnt love themself. Get yourself together, pray hard and long on your knees to the point of tears and get up and do something. Maybe try things like even though she wants time, sending flowers to show her youre thinking about her constantly would help? Remember that the past is the past, and i think it would be exceptionally important for you to forget her faults if you expect her to forget yours. I hope this doesnt come off wrong or with too much levity, but i think it would be fun to date like the old days. once you guys get over the first couple of bumps and have become close enough to be civil, plan some romantic and fun dates. A lot of times men and women forget what its like to try and impress their spouse with simple things like how sharp they dress, how caring they are, did you hold the door for her.. etc. Are your dates awkward? i think a good thing to pray for and ask of your wife is a fresh start. Memories are always good too, have a date where all you do is go to the places you proposed, look at pictures, all that good stuff that got that ring on her finger. Too many times in the short amount of time ive been married do i leave the magic of marriage in the past and forget how fun it is.

Worldly appearances attract worldly people. If he took you for what you're really worth, he would understand nothing else mattered. The only comment i wanted to add was your question of "can a man be in love with a fat woman?" strikes me with a deeper question: Is the woman happy with herself? Its sometimes trying to love someone that doesnt love themself. If you find yourself wallowing in sorrow, embarrassment.. etc.. lets put it easier, happy wife, happy life. If you feel content, he should feel content. if you feel you would like to shed some pounds to gain more self confidence that all these people say they gain from losing weight, he should help you and support you just like any husband should support any righteous thing his wife would want. This definitely may not be the case, seeing some of the rude things he has said to you, but everyone else has seemed to cover their opinions on that side of the conversation. I just wanted to give something else to think about The only thing I'm trying to get at is you can only change yourself when any argument happens with anyone. So one of two things needs to happen, be content with who you are KNOWING there are amazing guys out there who look at your waist size like hair color, they dont care. Choice number two is if youre not confident, do whatever it takes to be confident. MEN LOVE CONFIDENT WOMEN WHO KNOW WHO THEY ARE :)