Jezebel2011
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But if the person has truly repented then the sin is gone. Why would something that is gone be a deal breaker? Is someone being truly Christ-like if they still punish someone for something they have repented of?
My wife tells me that she is ashamed of some things she did before we met. I tell her that if she repented of them then I don't care and don't want to know. Why? Because if she repented then they have been wiped away.
Would Christ want to us to judge each other by the sins we have committed? Or should we recognize that we are all sinners and show love and charity towards each other?
Totally agree with you on this one.
I converted in my 40's. I have a sexual past. However, for more than a year before I converted I was celibate and continue to be so, according with the Covenants I made on baptism and Endowment.
I would expect any non-member to have had a sexual past, so I have happened to end up in a relationship with a non-member I know that he will have sexual history that I don't want to know about.
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I wonder how far this goes. Would you expect him to tell you if he had previously been guilty of rape? Of the sexual molestation of a child? Of identify fraud? Of murder? Of arson? Of beating someone into a coma?
It may sound like a nice idea to say what's past is past, but since past performance is the best indicator of future performance, I would think that past actions are extremely relevant.
I meant a normal sexual past, not illegal activity
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PC, here is a talk by Elder Dalin H. Oaks on divorce that you might find some food for thought on LDS thinking: Divorce - general-conference
A quick excerpt that is probably most pertinent here:
Excellent excerpt to use
In our Ward, the husband of one couple and the wife of another had an affair, which led to divorce.
Both born in the Covenant, both had Temple marriages, the man had served his Mission from 19-21.
The two of them had a child together and got married not long after the child was born.
It has taken them 7 years to get their Temple Recommend back and their Endowment. So it can be done but does take a long time - rightfully so in my opinion.
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Where relationships are concerned I have always considered that the past of any man I have dated is the past, it is part of what made them the person they are now.
From that point of view I wouldn't want to know.
Even from an LDS Member perspective the very fact that you have acknowledged and repented of past transgressions would be enough for me.
Do you really feel the need to tell all about your past?
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"choose the one you love, love the one you choose" Gordon B. Hinckley (I think)
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Go to Heart 2 Heart website. (I can't find the Web address right now) It has a comprehensive list of questions to help you determine whether it's emotional abuse. It also provides a lot of resources for support. I have found it very helpful.
I looked up the website and the address is
Signs of An Abused Woman | Battered Women | Emotional, Psychological and Mental Abuse
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Secluding you, limiting the time you have with friends and family. Putting those close to you down in attempts to alienate them. making it feel so you have no one else but the abuser. Name calling, put downs, making you feel unworthy.
Psychological / emotional abuse is far worse in my mind than physical. The wounds can take a lot longer to heal, if they ever can.
That is so very true.
My ex kept telling me that nobody would have me, that I wasn't worthy enough to have anyone else love me, that nobody could ever love me, that he was my last chance, etc.
I am have now been out of that relationship for just over 18 months.
It took me a year before I was able to go on any dates and even then I am very wary. Not that I am expecting it to happen again but I am so emotionally scarred from what happened that it is so difficult to move forward.
It was because of that relationship that I ended up joining the LDS Church. I had started praying for a way out of that dreadful relationship, I found the mormon.org website and started investigating. Then joined the Church. Was baptised within 2 weeks of seeing the missionaries for the first time.
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It can come in different forms -
Making all the decisions without any consultation
Belittling
Bargaining ie you can do xyz if you do abc first
I went through an horrendous relationship where this happened to me, and the reason that I ended that relationship.
I can give you dozens of scenarios of what went on -
I would go into my favourite store. He would say "if you spend 30 minutes in there I will spend double in HMV"
If you make me a gingerbread cake I will allow you to watch xxxxx tv programme
Deciding where and when I could go, if I could go.
Locking me into a room until I agreed with him on whatever subject.
Just basically forcing me to be under his control.
Not allowing me to talk to my friends.
Allowing me to go with my Mother on holiday for a week then berating me for it even a year later.
Not being allowed to go shopping without him being there.
Emptying my purse to see how much cash I had on me, so that he could decide what he was going to spend it on.
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Provided that you can answer truthfully and honestly the questions below then you are deemed 'worthy'.
None of us like the last question, by the way. It seems immodest to say yes to that question.
If you know in your heart that you are Choosing the Right now then leave the past behind where it belongs, in the past and move forward with your life.
Good luck with your Mission application
1. Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?
2. Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?
3. Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?
4. Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?
5. Do you live the law of chastity?
6. Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?
7. Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
8. Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?
9. Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?
10. Are you a full-tithe payer? Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?
11. Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?
12. If you have previously received your temple endowment: Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple? Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?
13. Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?
14. Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
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Have had experience with a few JW's and believe me when I say that they do have some very strange ideas that they come out with on every subject under the sun. Stuff that they have been fed by the hierarchy.
JW's do have Elders in their Church but they are the folks that run it, apparently.
It is hard to believe that supposedly modern men can come out with such garbage as a woman whom has been raped is her own fault. That is from the dark ages and doesn't belong in modern society.
Have had a look at the beliefs of JW's and rape. Apparently if a woman does not scream, even in the event of being held at gunpoint or knifepoint, the JW's classify it as 'fornication'. So, when they question a member on having been raped, if it becomes apparent that she was too frightened to scream and shout, they will disfellowship her.
How is your friend doing now?
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I am especially concerned about one of my late Father's aunts who married a Dutch man way back after his family had fled the Netherlands to escape the Nazis.
Since both he, his wife and their children are all now deceased I would guess that I am considered family. Their work has been done at the Temple.
I am not sure whether this man was Jewish or not and there is no-one left in the family who would know.
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I was asked in my first Temple Recommend interview if I would wear the Garments at all times. That to me is a covenant... Is that not standard operating procedure for the first Temple Recommend interview?
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No, well it wasn't at mine, I wasn't asked that at the Temple Recommend Interview.
All that was pointed out to me at the Temple when I had the interview immediately prior to taking my Endowments.
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My friends and I had a discussion about this just the other day.
We are concerned that we might - inadvertently - have submitted, or submit people from our own family tree that were Jewish, that we didn't know were Jewish.
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This is a beautiful piece of writing -
The Temple Garment: ?An Outward Expression of an Inward Commitment? - Liahona Sept. 1999 - liahona
and one of many of the most the important quotes from it
And in a letter to priesthood leaders dated 10 October 1988, the First Presidency made the following important statements regarding how the garment should be worn:
“Church members who have been clothed with the garment in the temple have made a covenant to wear it throughout their lives. This has been interpreted to mean that it is worn as underclothing both day and night. This sacred covenant is between the member and the Lord. Members should seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit to answer for themselves any personal questions about the wearing of the garment. … The promise of protection and blessings is conditioned upon worthiness and faithfulness in keeping the covenant.
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"It is expected that members will wear the garment both night and day according to covenants made in the temple. Members should not adjust the garment or wear it contrary to instructions in order to accommodate different styles of clothing, even when such clothing may be generally accepted.
The garment should not be removed, either entirely or partially, to work in the yard or for
other activities that can reasonably be done with the garment worn properly beneath the clothing."
I guess one way of reading it could be that you are supposed to wear it according to the covenants made in the temple, but not necessarily a wear-your-garment covenant.
For me I try and look at things in a scriptural/historical context. What did Joseph Smith, teach about the garment and how it should be worn? What do the scriptures teach about the garment?
The way that both the Bishop and the Stake President (whom is American btw, from Utah) explained it to me is that wearing the garments whilst running a marathon would not be possible, or whilst swimming, but that they should be put back on as soon as possible afterwards.
They advise that we wear cotton garments for doing yard work (gardening to us!) and suchlike.
Our missionaries wear their garments even when it is a blazing hot Summer and doing gardening for Church Members - have seen that for myself.
I guess the simple answer is that we can start slipping up and not wearing garments when we should be.
Am not going to get into the history of garments, have read the historical reports on the whys and wherefores, since in Joseph Smith's time Members were not all required to wear them.
It seems to me that a lot of the original rules & regulations from JS's time have been changed over the years, including the WoW.
I had a little controversy with one of our past missionaries over the WoW itself, since another Member thought it perfectly alright to drink a glass of wine when she fancied it and I said that it wasn't. The missionary said, and I quote "the WoW is not a commandment it is only a guideline". Needless to say I didn't and I don't agree with him since he was not correct and we had long discussion about it but I didn't succeed.
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"In 2012, the question about wearing the garments was slightly modified to clarify that the garments should not be worn separately."
The question was not that!
The piece quoted says -
"added a clause about wearing them as instructed in the temple"
The question is not quite that, it is about wearing the garments without modifying the way that you wear them, ie, not tucking the cap sleeves under sleeveless dresses, etc
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They have just - in January - altered one of the questions on the Temple Recommend interview.
The Stake President had just got his letter from the First Presidency that day and shared the information.
The question is not for first time Recommend holders, though, it is for subsequent
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We are going to have major problems in a few areas -
Firstly young adults inter-marrying other family members since they don't know whom their biological Fathers are - and neither do their Mothers (in a high percentage of cases). One only has to watch Jeremy Kyle to see that fact.
Secondly - it poses huge problems for our Temple Sealings when doing work for the dead. Simply because if a couple aren't married they cannot be sealed, and therefore the children cannot be sealed to the parents.
Have experienced this with an LDS friend at Church whom is 83 shortly. Her parents were only 16 and not married so she cannot be sealed to her natural parents. Yet SLC have allowed the Sealing of her Mother to her Step-Father and herself to them. Which is very odd to me. The lady concerned is very upset about all of this.
Our Society is falling apart at the seams and yet nobody seems to be the slightest bit bothered about it.
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Maybe this is TMI, but my garments arrived today. I got the poly-cotton ones in several sizes, with the plan being to try on the smallest size and then I'd know which of the larger sizes I'd need.
Well, I fit the smaller sizes, so I will probably have wiggle room in the next size up - as long as the bottoms don't fall down!
The fabric is fine for this weather, but I wonder if people wear it all year? It can get a little warm out here in the summer and I wonder if I should splurge for one of those a Dri Lux or DriSilque top? The info page says that the nylon mesh is good for hot climates, but it felt strange to me. Any females use that material in the summer?
I've got my appointment with the bishop this Sunday and am planning on going to the temple late this month or early next. Yay me!
I love the DriSilque garments :)
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These celebrities bring a lot of revenue to the USA or Canada or the UK or wherever else they are from.
They pay taxes which bring billions of dollars into your country and thousands of people from overseas into the USA to visit concerts, bringing money into your hotels, restaurants and other such stuff.
So what if New Jersey wished to honour one of their own in this way. It is for one day where one State shows its own respect.
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I met with my Branch President today after the block and in his office.
I apologized to him for my angry outburst and for blowing up at him. For the things I said in anger.
He was astonished- he took no offense at what I had said, or how I had said it. He didn't think I had been rude, or out of line.He knew I was really upset- and I was only the fourth member who had come to him regarding the same bag lady.
He graciously accepted my most humble apology. He then said. ."We are totally flummoxed regarding her and Bro & Sis Bringhertochurch. They have been talked to regarding her bringing coffee, tea and sodas into the church building, not to mention the chapel. They shrug it off.
She has been talked to, counseled, explained to and she shrugs it off.
Granted, we don't want to discourage anyone from attending church, member of not. But, when it is flauntingly disrespecting our standards, well, we are at a loss at how to get it across to her." end quote.
I suggested that perhaps she would respond better if one of the brethren nearer her age would greet her at the outside door, IF she is carrying, then escort her to the kitchen. Once in the kitchen, explain that the drink and her food must remain in there. Tell her that she is more than welcome to visit it after each class, to partake of it, then leave it there and go attend the next class. BUT the drink and the food must remain in the kitchen until she leaves to go home.
Regarding Bro & Sis Bringhertochurch, they just might possibly need to be counseled by him and/or a member of the Stake Presidency or perhaps the Branch Mission Leader and/or Stake Mission Leader.
But if they don't get it- they just don't get it. I am confident that he will find a way. He has been gifted with the mantle of the Bishopric.
Have a read of John 13: 34-35
All of our Wards in our Stake have folks who take sweeties into Chapel, drinks in bottles, children with anything from chocolate to biscuits/cookies/cakes plus colouring books, noise toys, etc.
They are all our brethren with all their foibles.
We have a cleaning rota with about 4-8 people each week whom clean our Ward. They tidy up the place, vacuum and wash windows, empty rubbish bins and clean up after our brethren - no less than you would do at home for your own family.
Allow an old lady some dignity to attend Church when she wants to do so, in her own way, without judging her for her every movement.
Where is the love of others in your Ward? As far as I can see it is very sadly lacking
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John 13: 34-35
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This is one of the reasons I did not care to attend BYU, they put too much emphasis on dress. When I attended an EFY dance I was asked to change because my shorts were too short, they were maybe a half inch off my knee, lol. I agree people don't need to look like they are going out to da club or completely sloppy, but use some common sense.
I've noticed the leggin trend coming back a lot of girls wear them at church. I couldn't tell much from the picture. She didn't have any cleavage showing, but I guess if she were wearing garments they would be showing at the top. Nothing for this guy to get in a fuss about.
No, they wouldn't show at all
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I don't wear garments but I have seen them on others growing up. I recall my father's neckline not as low as my mother's neckline. Do female garments tend to show more neck than male garments?
The women's garment necklines come in different styles for a start. Some higher, some lower.
I have not had to discard any of my pre-LDS clothing in order to wear my garments which, I have to say, surprised me too.
I bought a dress on the net which arrived the other day, has the same neckline as the dress on that BYU student. I tried it on yesterday with my garments and all is well. The difference being my dress comes below the knee - but then I am a lot older than her!!
Common sense needs to prevail here I think.
I don't agree with girls wearing shorter dresses and thick tights, though.
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