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Wow, I really want to see what some of the more learned LDS have to say about that. Having not been LDS very long, I pretty much just read the Bible and believe what it says. However, in my experience, I don' think LDS men really get into the "ruling over us" that much. I think I am pretty much treated like a princess. Our faith is not really into punishing us. In fact, I know The Articles Of Faith addresses that very pointedly. I've been both a very fundamentalistic Evangelical, and a Muslim and know how women are blamed, but not in The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

NO, I've been the grumpy one!

You probably wouldn't be surprised to know that I am pretty radical to be LDS, and I've gotten in trouble for it. I am not candidate specific, but foreign policy weird. People are people. I love this church with my heart and soul.

I would have thought that the book of Mormon was metaphorical but I've had so many experiences, I just won't go there. And though lots of people say there is not any proof about the veracity of the BOM, more and more is being found all the time. Please don't despair. I actually write science fiction feminist romance stories but as far as saying the BOM is my material goes, nope.

Well, don't feel down. I have seen enough of the Mormons and the reasons for faith in Joseph Smith, and what Heavenly Father did that there is little doubt in my mind. Their loving kindness in worshiping Heavenly Father saved at least one life, MINE. H

Actually, there are several levels to the job of being an electrician. On the physical side, I wish I had let the guys do a lot more of the phycial stuff, instead of having to find I couldn't do it and then let them. An electrician must know the law, and Oregon is one of the toughest states for law. I mostly knew more than them, and because of my nature, we mostly obeyed it. It costs less to do it right the first time than the second. There is then the courage/common sense side. In the morning when I got up, I made my mind up that no man was going to disgrace me on the job. That was very hard. After about 15 years on the job, it came up that I was often the boss. But sometimes, I was so afraid for the people working for me, that I mothered them through some work that I saw as potentially really dangerous. There are dishwasher sized switches that need to be pulled out, and pushed in to live 12,500 volt circuits and I was terribly, terribly frightened of them. I have actually walked into a vault after an outtage to find one of them pushed out and still smoking. That is not supposed to be possible. Perhaps all that stress is what eventually led to my leaving the job under clouded circumstances. I worked at the trade for 32 years. It has been a whole process to learn to be more like the women around me. With my looks and genetics, I would have never been prom queen, but at my age, most other women don't look much better. To answer your original question, men are men, and I was so ugly that there was not a lot of harassment, even if I would have wanted some. :)

Actually, with the un-numbered number of stars in our own Galaxy, and the countless number of Galaxies, I would be very surprised if there was not other life, most probably smarter than us.

Master Orator is 21 years old. What would you expect him to say? :)

It is my devout and humble hope that binary thinking will eventually die a natural death. I toured the local rose garden the other day and there are so many variations in roses that it is impossible for me to categorize them. Most of us are comfortably ignorant using the male female binary model, but in reality, there are an infinite number of statistical variations around the norm. It is a source of great comfort to me that our church accepts variation without over spiritualizing about them.

Thank you for your informative post. I have much to learn about the LDS sub culture. It is surprising to me that he did the same thing with the same girl twice. He did not mention wanting to marry her. He just needs to face things with the College, and it does seem he is trying. As far as him finishing his degree in another College, it appears that is one option open to him. He may view what has happened in his life as a great disaster, but maybe he will learn from it, and in a few years it will all be in the past. I'm not coming at this from a sanctimonious position. I doubt that anyone here has destroyed their life as much as I did in 2004. Heavenly Father has forgiven me, though there is still the remembrance at times.

Boo Video? Does youtube have it?

Did you ever read that little blue book on the shelf, yes the one that has all the dust on it, that's the one. Right on the front, what does it say, Yes, The Book of Mormon. Hmmmmm In that book and that other one, what's the name of it, yes, the Bible. Both foolishly advance the idea that principles and morality are the foundation of a society. Maybe in Canada it is OK to place educational advancement over morality and principles, but not in the USA.

But, it is our church, and our University, and those who run the university make the rules. If the young man had Sinned once and repented, I would be sympathetic. He sinned the second time, and does not sound repentant at all. You young boys miss the point entirely, and you know so little about life that you don't even know what you don't know. Go in peace my child, but most certainly go.

Hey don't go dissing on old Ron. He frankly told his friends that his books were science fiction but some folks took it seriously, so Ron decided to make some money. He started the religion on a bet with one of his newsie friends. If he'd have just paid his taxes, he'd have been home free. Instead he had to buy a retired Navy ship and live on that. I wonder if the ship cost more than the taxes would have?

That is hard core. And to think that some thought I was a Navy Seal. Don't they realise that there are no female Navy Seals? LOL

Well, I understand that the costs are much less for church members who can keep their honor. Didn't apply eh? They can probably do with out you.

Um, yer dash board says you're Mormon. What are you doing with a Methodist Gun?

Yes, well I'm new, OK?

Not when I was growing up it wasn't. Of course I wasn't Mormon then either. Where I grew up, if a girl got in trouble, she was a slut and the guy just enlisted in the Navy or left town. This idea of blaming the guy must be something peculiar to LDS culture. Let's talk about this another way. When I was young, when the girl felt it had gone too far, despite her own drives she knew that pregnancy with out a husband was a bad deal and could say NO. Of course the guy would say, Oh, but I am in pain, you don't know what you're doing to me as if she was hurting him. Women, generally being of a sympathetic nature can be manipulated into things despite their own common sense. Yesir, there are two sides to every story.

I don't mean to sound harsh because I was thrown out of a church once and haven't been back. Well, let's take the Mom of the Girl's point of view. You did it not once but twice. When a girl gets pregnant, she doesn't just get to walk away from it. Lots of men think they can and many seem to get away with it. Are you thinking of the gravity of your sin, or graduation? You did not mess up, you SINNED. That's serious, you realize that, right? You know, this gives you a break in college. Perhaps you could go serve a mission? People seem to do a lot of growing up on missions.

I am sorry, I meant no criticisim at all. My only police experience was 66-69' in the Army Military Police and most of that was as a desk clerk. In those days, they barely let women in the military at all, and never rode in a patrol car alone. In comparison, what we actually did would seem to be more like county police. When my unit went over seas, I was transferred to a state side unit. The prevailing philosophy at the time was if you took out your weapon, expect to fire it.

We all talk while we are driving and think it is OK, but I have had a couple times when even that had to stop. If I am driving downtown, I have to stay out of conversations because I can and have run red lights, so I know I must somehow be less than those women who brag about multi tasking. I also had an incident recently where a man that was riding in my car with me on the way to a Fireside, and he brought up a subject that was very painful for me. Suddenly, I did not even know where I was, experiencing complete disorientation. I actually had to pull over into a parking spot, tell the man that we could not talk about that, breathe deeply a few times and then figure out where I was. I was quite shaken, as was he. It really pointed out to me that when I am behind the wheel, it needs all my attention.

No, thank you very much. So, I suppose it comes down to doing as my original instructor said, "do it right the first shot". I'm not very good at protecting myself, but were others are concerned, I act much more instinctualy. I've had a life time to try to understand that one. One last question. The city of Portland, Oregon had a rash of officer involved shootings where the one they shot ended up with dozens of bullets in him. I'm wondering why they'd shoot so many times? Is there a legal issue?

I have nothing fancy because I really am not a gun person. I just have a holster and the gun. The man who taught me to shoot, would hit me on the back of the head if I did not hit the target the first time. So, maybe I just need a big gun that fires only one, or two shots?

I'm thinking I'm too invested in FB. There are people on there that I should not be around. It is just hard trying to figure out how to Un friend people.