Cal

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  1. I agree regarding nuclear power. However, our auto manufacturers in cooperation with our polititions have been dragging their feet on the production and promotion of fuel efficient automobiles for over 20 years. The technology exists to make cars twice as efficient as they have been until recently. There is absolutely no valid reason for not requiring that all vehicles evolve toward hybrid, or better, engines.I agree that food is not the problem--our own midwest farmers can produce enough wheat to feed the whole world. But air, water and soil pollution will cause catastrophic damage to life as we know it if we don't get population growth and fuel consumption under control in both the USA and other developing countries, especially China. China has done the best job of any large major developing country in addressing its population problem--their methods may seem draconian to the hardcore bible thumper, but, despite rightous chest thumping, the world cannot support an unlimited number of people, especially at the standard and methods of living we are accustomed to in the good old, fast-food eating, petroleum burning, CO2 producing USA.
  2. At present, the only energy source capable of meeting future needs without increasing CO2 omissions is nuclear power. Alternative energy souces just don't have the potential to provide what we need. You'd need to basically pave over Texas with solar cells, cover the entire Northern Plains with windmills, and so forth. Wind and solar are way too land-intensive to be economically or environmentally sound; geothermal is limited to a few sites, and hydropower is already maxed out in the U.S. -- environmentalists will prevent the building of new hydropower dams, and we've pretty much dammed everything dammable anyway. As for the "food crisis," I'll believe it when I see it. There is plenty of excess capacity in the U.S., Canada, Australia, Ukraine, Argentina, etc. We pay people not to plant, just to keep commodity prices from dropping into the basement. Plus China will not be adopting an American style diet, particularly the dairy aspect. Asian cuisine generally doesn't use milk much. PD--I can't imagine a better suggestion!
  3. Why do you think the LDS church is so wealthy? Imagine the drain on the cofers in SL if we paid every Bishop, SS teacher, SP, home teacher etc!
  4. I appreciate the story Winnie and you learned a lesson that many of us need to be reminded of. Of course, all one has to do is read the BoM to get the Word on blaming the beggar's woes on him.
  5. Cal

    Gayness

    PD---the problem with your argument, as I may have said before is, what makes it wrong? Arson is wrong because it interfers with anothers right to life and property. How does gayness fit in? Also, acts like arson, burglary etc are, as you know, malum en se? They ought to be shunned by the very innate harm they cause to others. It is far from clear that gayness, practiced privately, as most hetero sexual acts are, is harmful to anyone else.If society just arbitrarily decides that a certain life style, with no particular harm to anyone else, is going to be discriminated against, then that is a societal problem, not the problem of the gay, but a problem of the rest of society. Gayness is not going to go away because gays are discriminated against or persecuted. It has genetic components, as we have discussed, that simply won't go away with the wishing. The essence of my argument is not that everyone should be gay, or even be forced to associate with a gay person. We are all free to chose our own friends. But thatis a far cry from insisting that gays be given the right to be who they are, and at least some civil rights to go along with it.
  6. Cal

    Gayness

    I wasn’t talking about whether or not a person is born to be “gay”, or not, I was stating that the child would be more inclined to think that being “gay” is “okay” because he would have grown up around it without it seeming to be a “big deal”, regardless of whether or not is truly is a big deal. Or in other words, people can subject themselves to just about anything and eventually come to think it’s okay or the “norm”, even when in fact it is not okay or the “norm”. I was simply stating that fact. I think the ideas of considering something...lifestyle or otherwise, being 'okay' or 'the norm' is a matter of personal choice...I do accept that some people have been abused (I am not talking about within homosexual relationships with children they adopt here) as children, and they may feel that the abuse is normal behaviour...however, to gay people their sexuality is normal, it's only the people who object to it who feel it is abnormal or wrong...as long as they do not abuse the child in their care I don't feel that they are going to harm the child or alter the way that the child is going to view his or her own sexual preferences. And I say that to find out whether or not something is right or wrong, we need to Ask God whether or not it is right or wrong. After all, God will be our judge, and His determination of what is right or wrong IS what is right or wrong, and it will be based up by the common consent of everybody who has ever lived on this planet. Heh, right now, I'd say the odds are greatly stacked against the people who are going to be voting that homosexuality should be considered "okay". Where is this petition where we are going to see the ballot say: check here if gays are ok______ check here if gays are not ok_____
  7. Cal

    Divorce...

    Also, you seem to miss the point. The point was that really hot girls USUALLY don't get stuck with Seattle 2's, so money doesn't become that kind of issue.The issue for guys is, is the girl all talk (as you say) or is she the real deal--does she really want to take care of the guy, or is she just interested in procreating and mothering, or worse, just spending his money.
  8. Cal

    Divorce...

    Talk is cheap, Babe. People say all kinds of things before they get married. It's actions AFTERWARD that count. And, I hate to speculate, but if you are happy being poor, as a girl, then you are probably a Seattle 2. Disrupt knows what I mean. California 10's are rarely content with bankrupt guys.
  9. Cal

    Divorce...

    Uh....are you referring to ALL stay at home moms? My husband insisted that I work up until I was pregnant with our fourth child.. After that I simply refused because it wasn't in the best interest of our family. If I'd been looking for praise I would have continued being "superwoman", but I was dead dog tired! I agree with your general train of thought. There is very little true altruism in the world. Completely unselfish people would never be able to survive long enough to pass on their genes! There can (and should) be a balance though. According to John Nash (as crude as he was), we should do what is best for us AND the group. No matter what we do, it is ALWAYS motivated by something that benefits oneself. Whether it also benefits someone else is not the point. A lot of people feel good doing things that benefit others--we call that altruistic, which it is, but it is NOT unselfish--since the person doing it does it to feel good. I call that the good kind of selfishness. Selfishness that benefits others is the best kind of selfishness. The worse kind is that which damages oneself or others in the process.
  10. Cal

    Divorce...

    I'm glad you have all the answers. Too bad they don't address the question. I don't recall asking or commenting much on what women get when they get divorced. Second, the divorce rate varies from state to state--in many states it is over 50%. As to you comment on why I got divorced, you know nothing about me or about the details of my marriage. Shows how mindless you are--commenting on things you know nothing about. Third, you are simply assuming, as many of the women on this thread have, that I am somehow against spouses treating eachother with the uttmost of respect and consideration. You completely misinterpret my comments, reading in things that suit your fears and prejudices. As to the divorce rate in the LDS church, it is about 33%, about the same as the divorce rate of couples from other faiths that attend church regularly. First, who said that I had all the answers? I was just pointing out that the things being discussed here are not what makes a happy marriage. People that have sex every night (with their spouse) and are wealthy still get divorces. Second, the question was about divorce not what makes a healthy marriage. I was addressing peoples opinions on healthy marriages. As far as I can tell no one gave good info on divorce. Third, the only thing that I am assuming is that you believe the things that you posted in your original post. Based on that I am not surprised you have been divorced. Don't misinterpret my assumptions. Fourth, what planet do you come from where people only do things for selfish reasons? Do you really go into any action thinking what is in it for me? I can only imagine how this attitude helps in marriage... You may not realize it but no one does anything where there is nothing in it for them, even if it is just the avoidance of feeling guilty for NOT doing it. Give it some thought, it will dawn on you what I am saying. That is just how human nature is, deep down. We use the terms UNSELFISH to simply mask our one and only motivation for doing anything--to feel good. Give me any action a humans take and I can show you how it is at its root, selfish. I challenge you! Take me up on it, I dare you,
  11. Cal

    Divorce...

    Every kid needs a dad like Tom---a lot of us would have made a lot fewer mistakes with women if we had.
  12. Cal

    Divorce...

    Wow--what a misinterpretation! Where did I say anyone was being "honored"? All I said was women shouldn't complain about doing housework when they don't contribute much financially. What is the matter with that? I guess women are so special that men should just bend over backward, let them have everything they earn, run around town shopping all day, and let the house go to seed.
  13. Cal

    Divorce...

    I'm not surprised that some of the females here think what I have said is a little off. I've know only a few females that will even admit that there are any inherent differenced between males and females at all (other than the obvious ones). The reason they think I am 'off' is because they really don't understand men. Women are in total denial about how men are, and men, have a pretty good idea what most women are about--mainly because women are real good about revealing it in the form of nagging, complaining and whining. Men tend to keep their mouths shut about their feelings--so women really don't have a clue. For example, I dare you women to come up with a guy on this message board that will deny that the first thing he notices about a woman is what she looks like. You don't like to admit it but that is the truth about men--they are totally visual, always have been, always will be. It doesn't mean that they are superficial. That is just a label women put on men because they wish they didnt' have to compete based on their looks, because they are so convinced about how great they are on the inside---sorry ladies, a lot of you are not even that great on the inside--certainly no better than men in that department. We just want different things than you do.
  14. Cal

    Divorce...

    Yes, you are right. I said them same thing about being selfish awhile back. :) Selfish? The idea that marriage can only survive if people are totally selfless is pure rubbish. There is no such thing as selflessness, unless you are mentally and emotionally ill. Human beings do not do anything that is not selfish--even if it is the most altruistic, kindly and humane action one can imagine--we ONLY do things that either make us feel good now, or we think will benefit us in the future--the issue is not selfish vs selfless, it is selfish that hurts others or selfish that benefits others. For example, why does a woman SAH and take care of the kids etc. Because she is being selfless--nonsense--it is because she knows 1) if she doesn't her husband will not be please and perhaps leave her and 2) feels that she is pleasing God, her parents and she will get praise from her friends, family etc which will make her feel better (wanting to feel good is the prime motivator of human behavior, and it is, yes, selfish--not bad, but selfish)
  15. Cal

    Divorce...

    I'm glad you have all the answers. Too bad they don't address the question. I don't recall asking or commenting much on what women get when they get divorced.Second, the divorce rate varies from state to state--in many states it is over 50%. As to you comment on why I got divorced, you know nothing about me or about the details of my marriage. Shows how mindless you are--commenting on things you know nothing about. Third, you are simply assuming, as many of the women on this thread have, that I am somehow against spouses treating eachother with the uttmost of respect and consideration. You completely misinterpret my comments, reading in things that suit your fears and prejudices. As to the divorce rate in the LDS church, it is about 33%, about the same as the divorce rate of couples from other faiths that attend church regularly.
  16. Cal

    Divorce...

    That wasn't the point laddie.....you said NEVER. I couldn't stand silent and let that one by. OK, I'll defer to Disupts statement---hardly ever.
  17. Cal

    Divorce...

    I can't speak for others, and not to start a war or anything....but I can remember good looking rich guy with, (even married to) a woman most men wouldn't look twice at. But I, in all honesty, can't remember ever seeing a good looking rich woman with a short, fat, ugly guy. I would venture a guess that there are, couples like that, out there that don't have their faces plastered in the newspapers, or flashing on the tv. Happy,compatable, mutt and jeff couples that don't give a flying rat's butt who notices them or not. But you have seen tons of old ugly rich guys with young, beautiful girls--- a lot more than old ugly ladies with young poor guys. And what you REALLY don't see much of is poor ugly guys with hot young girls.
  18. Cal

    Divorce...

    Love and loyalty, I'll pay for..........nagging, complaining, fat, and lazy, I can do without.
  19. Cal

    Divorce...

    Sounds to me like the women on this thread are having a little trouble getting it too.Why do women think they are the only ones that deserve to be "got"?
  20. Cal

    Divorce...

    Give me a freaking break!What's love got to do with it? Why do women think that if a guy expects the SAMH do do the bulk of the house work that somehow he doesn't LLLLOOOOOOVVVVVEEEE her? What a load of female, mushy bologna! We're not talking about LOVE, were talking about reasonable expectations, that have nothing to do with LOVE. And I already, I think several times, that a father should spend time with the kids--loads of time, if he can manage to find time between toilet cleaning!
  21. Cal

    Divorce...

    The last line is funny, and the rest is wishful thinking! I'll be damned if I am going to work my bum of to support some lazy stay at home mom, just to hear her nag me about the dishes and the floor, and complain that I don't pay her enough attention. Men who make good money don't have to put up with that---your requests are an invitation to get yourself "kicked to the curb, honey!". Disclaimer: Nothing in the aformentioned statement is to be construed to encourge infidelity or abuse. Let it be known that this author totally and fully supports a loving and mutually respectful marriage. Let it also be known that cleaning the toilets for a fat, lazy, stay at home mom, after the guy busts his bum at work all day, is against public policy and should be against the law! Why is it that all men assume the woman is staying home eating bon bons while watching soaps??? I work really hard! I do all the books, bills, housework, kids, chauffering, homework with kids, meal planning, shopping, buying of presents, mailing of packages, hair cuts, and even remodeling, repairs, yard work, etc. Why should I work around the clock while my husband gets off at 5 and sits in front of the table expecting dinner and later hours infront of the tv? Why shouldn't I expect and get a little help around the house at least on week-ends? Weekends? Ok, the guy can mow the lawn, trim the trees, pull the weeks, edge the grass---but don't think we are going to fall for the trick of you sitting on your lazy bum all week, and then telling us how you have all this stuff for us to do, in the house on the week end. We do yards--that's it.
  22. Cal

    Divorce...

    Well, according to Cal's argument, it's because what you (and I) do at home doesn't have enough monetary value. I guess if a man only makes 40,000.00 a year, then he might qualify to have to help around the house a little. The whole "titt for tatt" mindset (for lack of a better term--maybe pushka has one) seems a little silly and immature. I never doubt my value to my husband and my family. Having a good, loving spouse and well adjusted children is immensely valuable to most people. Just because someone's job doesn't directly generate income is no reason to dismiss it as unimportant or of inferior value. That comment about stay at home moms being fat and lazy is astonishing to me. Curvy, I didn't say YOU were fat and lazy AND I didn't say the work SAHM's do isn't worth something. I has lots of value--just not much economic value as compared with what many men earn. Try to limit me to what I said, and not extend to me what I have NOT said. Many of your are reading things into my comments that are simply not there. And yes, women should recognize that if they want to SAH and be supported, they shouldn't be complaining about the house work, any more than their husband should be complaining to his boss about his long hours. Should a man appreciate what his wife does at home? Answer: Yes, the same way she appreciates what he does to support the family. Does he ask her to come to work with him and do his job for him? They why should she expect him to do HER job for her? (I'm not talking about spending time with the kids--that is a separate issue.)
  23. Cal

    Divorce...

    The last line is funny, and the rest is wishful thinking! I'll be damned if I am going to work my bum of to support some lazy stay at home mom, just to hear her nag me about the dishes and the floor, and complain that I don't pay her enough attention. Men who make good money don't have to put up with that---your requests are an invitation to get yourself "kicked to the curb, honey!". Disclaimer: Nothing in the aformentioned statement is to be construed to encourge infidelity or abuse. Let it be known that this author totally and fully supports a loving and mutually respectful marriage. Let it also be known that cleaning the toilets for a fat, lazy, stay at home mom, after the guy busts his bum at work all day, is against public policy and should be against the law! Why is it that all men assume the woman is staying home eating bon bons while watching soaps??? I work really hard! I do all the books, bills, housework, kids, chauffering, homework with kids, meal planning, shopping, buying of presents, mailing of packages, hair cuts, and even remodeling, repairs, yard work, etc. Why should I work around the clock while my husband gets off at 5 and sits in front of the table expecting dinner and later hours infront of the tv? Why shouldn't I expect and get a little help around the house at least on week-ends? Because he has spent his day supporting YOU that's why! :)
  24. Cal

    Divorce...

    I don't think the person who works long hours outside the home should have to come home and scrub toilets. (unless they get some kind of perverse pleasure from doing so.) But just because a homemaker doesn't bring home a paycheck, there is still enormous value in what he/she does. If I died, it would cost my husband a fortune to hire someone to do all of the things that I normally do. It's a team effort. You make it sound like it's some kind of a war. Spouses should be on the same side. There is also a lot of value for my husband to have a wife who takes good care of herself physically. (I'm putting myself out of a limb here, I know, but I'll say it anyway.) He's a very public person and for whatever reason, it makes him look better in the eyes of his peers if he has a wife who appears attractive in public. I'm not only talking about physical attractiveness. A spouse who can communicate well and make others feel comfortable can be an enormous asset to a businessperson who's business demands a lot of social interaction. You are off on a tangent, Curvy. I don't disagree that a SAHM contributes plenty. My point is that she shouldn't complain about doing it, nor should she expect a husband, who is making twice what she can possibly contribute (doing housework etc), to mop floors and clean toilets. It's a matter of fairness and equity. If women don't want to be expected to do all the house work, then get a job and pay for a cleaning lady and day care--but don't expect that there are very many men who are going to take kindly to the voice of complaints about how they never sweep the floor, when the guy is out there making twice what she is worth economically. Disclaimer: I seem to have to make these disclaimers because I continue to get misinterpreted by the lovely ladies out there: Women are to be appreciated for what they do!!!! (So are men, right?)
  25. Cal

    Divorce...

    Sorry for answering this one so late. If you are a SAHM then by definition you don't work anywhere but at home--so where is this income coming from. And you have gone outside the conditions we started with. I was addressing the situation of a SAHM, not someone working (whether at home or otherwise) and bringing in income.