Cal

Peace---you are truely a fountain of non-sense (and I mean that in the friendliest way possible) :) You earlier stated that you felt sorry for the Catholics you saw mourning their dead relatives. How do you know they were mourning because they thought they would never see them again? How do you know they weren't just missing them terribly? On top of that, maybe they are just rational enough to realize there is no guarantee death isn't really the end of ALL of us. After all, it is a matter of faith, not fact. Also, the Catholics believe in the hearafter just as much as we do. And, most of the ones I have asked say they believe they will see their dead loved ones again. So, why all the "we know something you don't" stuff?

AFD---you are ignoring my question. Apparently you don't have an answer. The missionaries and Church leaders commonly try to "sell" the Church on the basis that 'families can be together forever". This implies that if you don't join the mormon church, you won't. The fact that the mormon church teaches that we can baptize everyone for the dead is irrelevant to the question because obviously, according to mormon doctrine of free agency, not every non-mormon is going to want to be baptized, before or after death. So again, what is the OFFICIAL doctrinal basis for IMPLYING that non-moromons won't be able to hang out with their relatives in the hearafter? The fact that I may or may not believe in mormon scriptures is irrelevant. The point is YOU DO. So let's hear an answer.

Peace--allow me to explore your position a bit, if I could. The first thing I would like you to make clear to me is the following: As I read your posts you are making it clear that your belief system is rooted experiences INTERNAL to you, and has nothing to do with the outside world. Do I have it right? In other words, when you read JS saying he spoke to God, or the BoM claiming to be a literal history of the Native Americans, you accept it based on feelings you get, not on external verification? And, that you are willing to have faith in something, even though there is a strong weight of the physical evidence against it?

Peace--thank you for all of your assertions about your knowledge of the afterlife. Now, would you like to answer the question I asked at the beginning of this thread? I'll restate it for you-----what LDS Scripture states that non-mormons CAN'T chose to hang out with their relatives in your HEARAFTER? (and I don't want an answer like "We are taught that......) Mormons are "taught" all kinds of absurd things that I'm sure even you would consider NON-DOCTRINAL. I want to know a SCRIPTURAL source for this doctrine.

(Since we don't seem to be able to edit--pardon my misspelling--HILL, not HEAL

Regarding upheavals-----read my geologically correct lips---THERE WERE NO UPHEAVALS NEAR THE HEAL CUMORAH DURING THE LAST 5000 YEARS. In fact there haven't been any for at least 10,000 years when the last ice age scoured the area. So much for the Jaredite or Lamanite artifacts.

You don't need proof to believe.....humm? I'll bet if proof DID exist you would be more than happy to acknowledge it, right? Let me ask you, when JS said he was God's prophet, did he need PROOF to make that claim?

When I hear this, I always have to ask the question: Where in Mormon scripture does it say that Non-mormons CAN'T hang out with their families in the hearafter? I'll save you the bother find trying to find out-----NOWHERE. So again, why is it such a big deal that Mormons think that they can be together forever, when there is nothing in mormon scripture that precludes anyone and every one from hanging out with their families if they so choose. Perhaps you are drawing an inference from DC 132 or 131 that in order for a marriage to be recognized of God in the hereafter that it has to be a Mormon (priesthood) marriage. Granted. But, how do you leap from that to the idea that Non-mormons can't be with their families in the hearafter. The scripture says NOTHING about that. The only conclusion I have been able to draw from this mormon claim is that it is a way for us to coerce others to join our Church. It is sort of like "join our church or else you won't be able to hang out with your family members when you die". As far as I can tell this is one of those false doctrines that needs clarification by a statement from the First Presidency.

Traveler, I can also cite several cases where MORMONS also enforced their belief by force--just read some of the diaries and histories of some the events of the early saints in Utah---the Mountain meadow massacre was not the only example. There were numerous cases of physical punishment for disobeying the brethern and it wasn't a matter of law--it was good old fashioned religious persecution---so be careful when you get so critical of early Christian atrocities--we have a few of our own to cover up.