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  11. Fat hate

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    If a fat person is fat because they sit around playing video games the majority of their time, then that person will not make it to the Celestial Kingdom without repenting; not because of their fat condition, but because the person is being slothful, which is a sin. We are commanded to be anxiously engaged in doing good.

    If a fat person is fat because they eat McDonald's hamburgers every day, then that person will not make it to the Celestial Kingdom without repenting; not because they are fat, but because the person has an addiction, which is sinful. We are commanded to bridle our passions and desires.

    The truth is that we must be purged of all ungodliness before we can enter in to the Celestial Kingdom. Being fat is not sinful, but becoming and staying fat can and very often is a result of sinful choices in life.

    It is clear to me that anatess was condemning sinful behavior, not fatness and appearances. And the truth is many people are fat and/or stay fat because of sinful behavior and choices.

    Regards,

    Finrock

    Keep in mind two things.

    First, we are only human. Heavenly Father knows that we're going to make mistakes, not do everything the way we should. Our aim should be to do as much as possible right, but if we're honest with ourselves, no one is going to make the right decision 100% of the time.

    Second, If a person is spending the majority of their time playing video games, we should actively reach out and try to get them motivated, not judge them and say you're not good enough.

    If a person is eating McDonald's all the time, it doesn't necessarily mean they have an addiction. Perhaps they simply don't like to cook, or aren't very good at cooking. Or they simply like the food.

    To keep English terms friendly to all. as per dictionary.com, the definition of an addiction is:

    "the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma. "

    I don't know about you, but to stop eating McDonalds(or any fast food) is not going to cause severe trauma to me.

    Thirdly, as I said before, none of us is going to be completely perfect when we die. While that should be our goal, to be as close to it as possible, we have to face facts.

    Finally, did you even read my previous post? Or MoE's? If you believe Heavenly Father is like that, someone waiting to point out our mistakes and judge us for being what we are, human, sinful beings, then obviously our opinion of a loving father is different. Being overweight is not a sin, we all make poor choices at some point in our lives. The key is, to remember we're all human. We make mistakes, mess up, cause discord at times. But, that in no way gives us the right to judge each other, because only God is the perfect judge.

  14. Fat hate

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    I've been watching this discussion all day, and decided it's my turn to throw in my two cents.

    From a medical viewpoint, I would be considered obese. I don't make great food choices, a lot of my meals are quick-and-easy. I live by myself and most nights don't want to bother making an entire meal. Do I know better? Absolutely. But knowing and doing are two totally different areas. Now add into this that I have genetics(hypothyroidism) and medication(anti-depressants) working against me. Both of these make it hard to lose/keep off weight. In fact, my medication is known to make people gain weight. I walk most places(I don't have a driver's license). I climb stairs(living on the third floor of a building with no elevator). I also have two or three vertebrae that are sitting on top of each other, making it hard for me to stand in one position for long periods of time.

    So anatess--would I be one your kids should not associate with? Because I make poor food choices? Or would you have your kids look past that because I have medical issues that affect my weight as well? If you judge me because you percieve I make poor choices, then am I able to judge you with the same standard? It's not in any of our places to make the judgement. You talk about loving people beyond their choices, but that you may choose not to associate with people who make choices different than you. How then do you show Christ's love to those who may have a different worldview than you?

    When I joined the church, I lost numerous friends, some were the ones who had the biggest influence on me as a child, others that were college friends. They chose not to associate with me, simply because I made, what was in their eyes, a poor choice. Say I were to leave the church, would you shun me because I made, what may be in your eyes, a poor choice?

    Do any of these factors make me less of a person? I hope not. I hope people can look beyond the obvious and see what kind of person I actually am. If they can't, then I don't want to be their friend, because they are only befriending what they can see, not what is beneath the surface.