Snow

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  1. Shelly - the "Church" doesn't say that because we don't believe it. At least I don't. Do you want me/us to say something even though we don't believe just to help you make your point? That's goofy.
  2. Shelly, I am going to ask again and also ask you to be honest and specific. Show me where God said that: "... if God is three *beings* then He is three Gods. Period. This is why the doctrine of the Trinity works: because God is one Being, with three persons *within that one Being.* If God were three separate, distinct, complete-within-themselves beings, then He would be three separate, distinct, complete-within-themselves gods. I say that you are just grabbing that out of thin air and that God says no such thing.
  3. That's silly. Nothing PROVES that God has a body. You can't put God in a laboratory and run experiments on Him. In the Bible there are only the opinions of mostly anonymous people who wrote about God thousands of years ago. The Bible, as a single entity is not consistently explicit on the matter but individually there are numerous passages that are written in a way that depicts God physically... Genesis 1:26-27 Man is in the image and likeness of God ... as Adam's son is in the likeness of him... Genesis 5:3 Genesis 32:23-30 See God face to face, (and physically fights with him for that matter) Exodus 24:9-11 See God Exodus 33:11 Speak with God face to face as a man speaks with friend face to face Exodus: 33:21-30 Body parts of God Numbers 12:5-8 Mouth to mouth Hebrews 1:1-5 Image of God James 3:8-11 Similitude of God Genesis 6:3 Man (God) is also flesh Acts 7:55 and so on... I haven't thought about this recently but I'm confident that I could demonstrate that ancient Jews thought about God in a physical, anthropomorphic sense whereas the idea of an non-physical God is a latter idea based on or in harmony with pagan Greek philosophy.
  4. Huh? Where on earth did you get that from? It doesn't even make sense. Besides which, if God couldn't be the creator and occupy space then he wouldn't be all-powerful. Is that your point = that God lacks the ability to do both?
  5. Is that your opinion (yes) or God's opinion. You can write something and say it is so, but so what. We all agree that God is one but we reject that you - or the creeds and councils of the 4th and 5th century - describe that oneness. Here's a question for you. Can we just believe what's in the Bible, or do we also have to believe what you say and what is not in the Bible?
  6. No. I am not confusing the meaning. In religious discussions about the nature of God, "essence" has a very particular meaning. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are all believed to be on the same essence, not merely of the same nature. What you are talking about, in a theological context is nature. I doubt that. Many Mormons, (whether or not they are right) believe that God is subject to some force, law or principle. Most other Christians believe that God is sovereign and not subject to anything outside Himself - everything else is subject to Him.
  7. ummmm? I've been Mormon since Gidget went to Rome and I've never heard that before. Kinda, most/many Mormons I talk to think of a god that is limited in some way - like God can't act evilly and still be God.
  8. Better yes. However, Being spirit does not preclude one from also being flesh and blood. The Holy Spirit is God and is spirit only but Jesus, like you and I, has a spirit and also a body of flesh and bone. Numerous passages in the Bible, OT and NT, seem to indicate that God the Father also has body parts to go along with his spirit. Moreover, you likely believe that spirit is spirit and matter is matter and one is not the other. Mormons, on the other hand believe that spirit is matter,
  9. Come on. Now you are suggesting that criminals are dishonest. Sheeze.
  10. We KNOW we can? You mean that you're convinced that you can. It's hardly a matter of knowledge. Seriously? No reason? Without being too technical "seeing" requires an object off of which light is bounced. Tell me how that works with a spirit.
  11. Says who? God? Are you claiming that God lacks the ability to be one God in three distinct beings or that you, Shelly, refuse to allow him to be? You've read the Old Testament, right?
  12. If Adam was the first man, how do you explain all the other other men that existed during the last 200k years?
  13. Then you, or your friend, must believe that God is not omnipotent. An omnipotent god could have literal offspring that were divine, or not divine or orange stripped unicorns. Yes, but all that changed when God, Jesus, took a body of flesh and bone, died, resurrected with a body of flesh and bone and took that body up into heaven.
  14. I'm hardly Trinitarian but here's my 8 cents: Number 1: This is silly and your friend couldn't possibly believe that. Trinitarians believe that God is all-powerful and being all-powerful could certainly have children that weren't God. Number 2: Trinitarians don't believe that either. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God and Jesus had and has a body of flesh and blood. Sound's like your friend is not really a trinitarian.
  15. I guess... but I think statistics also show that atheists are incarcerated with less frequency than believers.
  16. I don't (at least not as depicted in scripture) and I'm Mormon. Mankind was in existence all over the place for 100-200 thousand years before the time of the Fall.
  17. That's an odd, and inaccurate, claim. The Bible doesn't represent "a single point." It represents 66 books (or 73 or more depending on which version you prefer) written by numerous authors over hundreds and hundred or years.
  18. In the Book of Job, Satan colluded with God to slaughter Job's family.
  19. By an invisible, magical, super-bad creature? Not that I know of. How would I be able to tell if I was?
  20. So, what, exactly (which words), are you suggesting is mistranslated and what is the correct translation of those words. By the way - I am not conjecturing. I quoted the passages verbatim... but anyway, if I prayed about it and got an answer, would you accept that answer as correct and factual?
  21. I don't think this is an issue of what Joseph said or revealed on the subject. Rather this was about what the author of Mark said about the subject.
  22. In Priesthood this Sunday we had a lesson on the 2nd coming from Chapter 43 of Gospel Principles. In response to the question: How will we know when Jesus' coming is near, the text quoted Mark 13:28-29. "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: "So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors" . ... as if that was something that was going to occur in the future prior to the 2nd coming. The text (and the lesson) completely ignored verse 30: "Verily I say unto you, that this ageneration shall not pass, till all these things be done.'[/] Obviously the text was referring to something that happened or was to have happened 1900 years ago, not something that is yet to occur in the future?
  23. I don't "know" that. I hear and read people saying that but I've not seen any evidence that it is so. Are you aware of any evidence other that say-so?