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I happen to LOVE Rosie and ALL her view's and comments on "The View" She tell's it like it is!!!! You go girl!! :)

Did you know that Orin Hatch own's part of the pharmacatical company who is in favor of this stem cell research???? HUMMMMM Itn't it maybe out for the money??????

What do you think of Orin Hatch's position on Stem Cell Research??????

Oh my goodness YOU think Elizabeth is the only level headed person on "The View"?? Holy Hannah you've got to be kidding?? lol... Rosie,Joy and Barbra rock!!!!!! :)

I have a question the LDS church say's we should not have any other gods before us,If thats the case why are we told that in the next life we can be god's and goddesses???????

I've suffered 3 miscarriages...Each one was difficult especially the pregnancy where I was the furtherst along I lost 1 @ 2 months,1@ 2 1/2 months and 1 @ 4 months all of my miscarriages were difficult one's. For me it took alot of time..I was finally able to get pregnant and carry my son to full term,he's now a healthy,strong young man whom we are very proud of that was 23 years ago and with the help of my OBGYN Dr's carried him to term but it also took me 8 long years of fertility drugs,but he's certinally been a blessing to us....Morn your loss,no one can tell you that the hurt will go away compleatly cause for me it never has,you suffered a loss,go ahead and grieve your loss,it just takes time....And sometimes talking to people who have been in the same situation can be more understanding..My prayer's are with you..Bluesaphires_n_diamonds. :)

The father has every right to be notified of a impending adoption or intrest in one! As my son and his ex-g/f was involved in a situation concerning something kinda simular to this situation but the ex-g/f's parents wanted these two kids to give the baby up for adoption my son the father was totally against it...Luckly for us both the kids at the time (age 16) decieded to keep the baby they never married each other but they BOTH RAISE his precious little girl she's now 6 yrs old,and the joy of all our live's both my son and his ex-g/f were raised in the LDS church and come from good parents... It's very hard to know just how to advise our children in situation's like this but for us the decision for them to keep and raise my precious little granddaughter is the joy of our lives. I wish you much luck with you and your family!! Bluesaphires_n_diamonds :)

Mrs.S: First of all Iam sorry that you took offence to my expression of the word "honey" in my last comment to you since that is a word I use often. Further more HOW DARE YOU COMMENT AND EVEN QUESTION "IF' IAM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN OUR CASE TO MY SON AND HIS EX-G/F... I take offence to your comment,I certinally am NOT a lier!!! my GOODNESS MRS. S LIGHTEN UP!!!!!!!!!! Bluesaphires_n_diamonds. For Your Information the AGENCY I am referring to is the agency Father has freely given to ALL OF HIS CHILDREN. As in: Your son and the Mother of his child have the agency to choose what they will or will not do. Such as break the law of chastity, which they freely did. The CHURCH will never take away anothers agency. Thus you saying that they were forcing your son and the girlfriend is in error. People, Human Beings, Natural Man were doing the forcing. Mrs.S: I also learned at a very early age to NOT LIE isnt that what OUR(LDS) church teach?? And my parent's also taught us that. Further more I dont mind the comments by everyone pro and con thats why the question was posted in the first place to get other's opinion's. I was also under the impression that the member's of our church were NOT supposed to be MEAN OR NASTY(unlike you),at least thats what the church had taught me and also my parents in my humble opinion a person can get their point across without insulting other people or member's of the LDS faith!! Any way by the way this comment that follow's my comment to you is from my sister "Red Ruby" whom just so happen's to be my younger sister she posted the original question at my request as her and I were talking about this issue. Unfortunatly due to the remarks and unfriendly comments she asked them(ppl in charge of this forum) to remove her from this forum. Now unfortunatly because of the responce she recieved from people like you I probably wont ever be able to convert her back into the LDS faith but dont get me wrong that now isnt the only reason why I dont think that will ever happen... Thank-you Bluesaphires_n_diamonds.

Mrs.S: First of all Iam sorry that you took offence to my expression of the word "honey" in my last comment to you since that is a word I use often. Further more HOW DARE YOU COMMENT AND EVEN QUESTION "IF' IAM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN OUR CASE TO MY SON AND HIS EX-G/F... I take offence to your comment,I certinally am NOT a lier!!! my GOODNESS MRS. S LIGHTEN UP!!!!!!!!!! Bluesaphires_n_diamonds. For Your Information the AGENCY I am referring to is the agency Father has freely given to ALL OF HIS CHILDREN. As in: Your son and the Mother of his child have the agency to choose what they will or will not do. Such as break the law of chastity, which they freely did. The CHURCH will never take away anothers agency. Thus you saying that they were forcing your son and the girlfriend is in error. People, Human Beings, Natural Man were doing the forcing.

Bizabra: YES the LDS Church DOES AND DID TRY to put MUCH pressure on my son and his ex-g/f to give their baby up for adoption along with the ex g/f's parents and their bishop,thank goodness OUR LDS Bishop understood my son's position on this issue and he respected my son's feeling's and applied NO pressure what so ever!!!! And WE as a family appreciated that very much....Please dont try and patronize me by saying that the path to "HECK" is paved with good intention's...All Iam saying is that in the case of our family and "MY" Granddaughter the decision that was made to keep her and NOT give into the pressure's put upon these two young kids at the time was the RIGHT CHOICE FOR THEM AND MY GRANDDAUGHTER AND OUR FAMILY!! Bluesaphires_n_diamonds..aka "J" :)

Hummmm so if there's no debate on this subject where you live where's that? Bluesaphires_n_diamonds

Mrs.S: Iam sorry to disappoint you but in the case of my son and his ex-g/f/s situation YES they most certinally DID TRY!!!! I have the paper work at my home in UT to back me up...Honey I'am sorry to say but in OUR case YES THE CHURCH AND THE AGENCY'S did try to do exactly that!! Also the person who started this tread "Red ruby" is my younger sister by 2 yr's after her and I were talking we decieded to post this question to see if the LDS church had advised anyone else the way the LDS Family Social Service's tryed to do to my son and his ex-g/f.

I said it before and I say it again, redruby is a troll - LDS do NOT FORCE their beliefs, doctrines, or anything else on another human being. Mrs.S: I'am sorry but YES the LDS church does force (or at least they TRY) we expirenced this as a family when my son's ex-g/f was pregnant with the baby at age 16yr's both my son and his ex-g/f had both just barely turned 16 when they found out she was pregnant with my granddaughter. On the ex-g/f's parents request we(my son and I ) attended a meeting in Provo,Ut up on the BYU campus at LDS Family Social Service's at the time since my son was a minor we were advised by our attorney to NOT let my son go into that meeting by himself..As our attorney predicted the first thing that was asked was for my son to come into the office and talk with the gentleman by himself,so pressure could be placed on my son to give into what the church was advising young unwed teen parents...I have the LDS church's policy paper that the gentleman gave to us this day!!!! Needless to say they(the church's) policy is to give up that child to a LDS family,so they can have the many blessings of having that child sealed to them,have the LDS loving family,ect....Needless to say my son and his ex-g/f refused to give the baby up for adoption,that was 6 almost 7 yr's ago,and "WE" are all so lucky to have this precious little girl in our live's,she's the light of my eye's and our entire family's!!! My son is a excellent Dad as is her Mom a excellent mother..She couldnt of asked for any more loving,caring parents even though my son and his ex-g/f never married each other,my son supports his daughter,pay's child support and love's her with all his heart,and is very involved in his little girl's life!! So YES I just wanted you to know that it's been "OUR" experence that the LDS Church did TRY and put pressure on my son and his ex-g/f....Bluesaphires_n_diamonds..aka "J" :) I said it before and I say it again, redruby is a troll - LDS do NOT FORCE their beliefs, doctrines, or anything else on another human being. Mrs S: Please check out my post on #49 it's directed to your comment above as to the LDS church's so called approach of NOT putting pressure on young unwed teen's whom become pregnant at a early age,as to the Church's Policy on this. Read my post and then maybe you'll understand how and why I feel the way I do...Bluesaphires_n_diamonds..aka "J"

Don't eat berries, walnuts, pomegranates either then, if tannic acid is bad. Wonder why those items weren't banned in the WoW, if tannic acid is the culprit? Berries and walnuts are in the top 10 list of healthiest foods to eat... but then, so is tea. Maybe this tannin isn't so bad after all! http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/lf_hl_nutr...D_27396,00.html Josie and Shanstress70: Look in the dictionary or enclopedia and just see what food's contain "Tannic Acid" It's interesting as to what all I found just about everything contain's Tannic Acid such as Apples,diffrent fruits,beans,green bean's,pea's,carrot's just to name a few,so it's NOT just tea or coffee that contain's this so called harmful ingreadent. I grew up LDS all my life as Iam from Utah,but reciently I have come across many things and policy's that I'am having question's to reguarding the LDS faith..T/Y for your comments...Bluesaphires_n_diamonds..aks "J"

Tribune: So your telling me that it's NOT the caffiene that's in coffee or tea but its the tanic acid that is the problem..Did you know that "Tannic Acid" is in anything that is grown in the ground??? Such as beans,green bean's,pea's,carrot's,ect... Look in the dictionary,or encyclopedia what all contain's this acid is listed and believe me there are many more than what I just mentioned... I was raised LDS all my life but I have certin question's that bother me and I dont understand our church's reasoning to some of the question's I have it seem's that there is a double standard here... But thanks for your input. Bluesaphires_n_diamonds

Ok so coffee and tea are both mentioned in the WoW ok,so if a person drinks coffee or tea that will keep them out of the temple right?? But if a person drinks coke,pepsi,mt.dew or any other cold caffeinated drink that wont keep them out of the temple? If thats the case then I think that's a double standard in our church(LDS)caffeine is caffeine no matter what form it happen's to come in weather its in coffee,tea, or soda's. bluesaphires_n_diamonds

I told her I didnt know,but I would ask on here and I also asked a returned missionary friend of mine the question tonight.. Bluesaphires_n_diamonds

One of my sister's posed this question to me yesterday(Sat) Can LDS people drink decaffinated coffee and still be worthy to go to the temple? bluesaphires_n_diamonds

I have never said that your son or ex girlfriend should not be trying to raise your granddaughter. I have not said that your granddaughter should be given up to adoption. What I have said is that I do not think that because of this success that you should denounce adoption or think your son and his ex girlfriend are better than others that choose adoption. Though I support adoption I do not look down on those that keep children and do the best they possibly can and make ever sacrifice to raise them. I have been accused of being hurtful because of my stand. Can you accept that you are hurtful towards those that choose adoption? For every story you can tell of abuses in adoption I can give ten stories of abuses of children in single parent homes. This is not a reason to oppose adoption. I have simply stated that children are more likely to be abused in homes where there is not a father and a mother. I am sorry you oppose this idea. I tried to bring another point. I pointed out that my wife and I made plans for our children should we both for some reason die. We not only chose a family but even made legal arrangements in our will and with the family of choice. Did you make arrangements for a "single" parent to look after your children? What arrangements did you make? I can understand that in some cases it would be better that children be left to a single parent family - but I also recognize that in most cases I would recommend that responsible parents seek out a family with a father and a mother in the unlikely event that both they and their wife be taken. I have tried to make a number of points. One: That the needs of the children be a priority. Two: the needs of adults are secondary. Three: that adoption not be demonized or that such a choice ever be considered less loving for the children. Four: that the attitude of "I cannot give up my child" is not a valid excuse nor is it a better attitude or a sign of a better parent. Even G-d the Father recognized this is not the best attitude. I beg and plead with all on this forum not to demonize adoption. I also recommend that if there is a young lady that is currently pregnant and stuck with a father that is not committed to marriage and willing to be a loving husband and father in the home - that you prayerfully consider adoption. Adoption is not evil nor will you be condemned (looked down on, talked behind your back or thought of as less or not as good as them) by any righteous person for considering or choosing adoption any more than supported by good people for raising your child. The Traveler Traveler: I have NEVER said that I oppose adoption sometime's adoption can be a wonderful thing especially to couple's who can not have children of their own. It took me and my husbond 8 year's for me to be able to carry a baby to full team,after several miscarriage's, fertility drug's, ect so I do understand the adoption issue!!! Luckly I was able to get pregnant and carry our son to full term and he was a normal,healthy baby,he was the only baby I was lucky enough to have(yes he's the boy thats refered to in all this,the unwed thing). I dont believe for one second that my son nor the ex-g/f EVER had the attitude or excuse as you put it "I can not give up my child" In my opinion the decision for my son's ex-g/f and my son to keep this precious little girl was the best decision that could of been made...Traveler we dont live in a perfect world ppl make mistakes and lots of ppl learn by these mistakes. I just hope and pray that you take your blinder's off and realize maybe everyone isnt as perfect as you think you are or sould be,believe it or not..... not everything is black and white,there are many shades of gray also. My husbond and I also did make arrangement's as to if anything happened to us (god forbid) that our son would be well taken care of.So your not the only person who makes those kinds of arrangements for their child or children!!! Bluesaphires_n_diamonds

Traveler: Just two comments..1st I dont believe my son nor his ex-g/f made a mistake in them BOTH decieding to keep my granddaughter and NOT to give her up for adoption!!! As I've stated before she is the light of our eye's and such a precious little spirit I cant imagine her not being in our family so as for my son and his ex=g/f the decision NOT for adoption was the right one..2nd NOT all LDS adoptive family's are the right family's either my granddaughter's grandmother on her mother's side was given up for adoption to a LDS family when she was a baby,Iam sure the bio mother strongly believed she was giving her baby to a very loving family,but sorry to say my granddaughter's other grandmother was sexually abused for years by her adoptive grandfather which has caused this poor Grandmother years of emotional scar's. Bluesaphires_n_diamonds

AMEN TO THAT WINNIE......I TOTALLY AGREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will say again I'am so extremly happy that my son who the question was posted in behalf of he is the one that this situation happened to and his ex-g/f both at the age of 16 YES its been a strugle for them both. But they both finished high school and continued their education's. The ex-g/f kept the baby she didnt give into the churche's pressures nor the pressure put upon her from her parents,ultimatly it was the g/f's decision and my son's even though they never married each other they have joint custody and the g/f and my son both are great parents...Luckly we have this precious little girl in our family and our lives she's such a joy she now is 6 yr's old and the light of all our eye's especially mine...(Her Grandma)..Bluesaphires_n_diamonds aka "J" :)

Thank your for your story. I am grateful that all has worked so well for you. We have several friends that can only have children by adoption. My daughters (and sons) are very close to these families - we have taken these adoptive families and children with us on vacations. When my daughters were still young (prior to dating) we had them involved with the families as they have adopted children. They have helped with the young pregnant mothers and have fasted and prayed with mothers and the adoptive families concerning the children. If it was not for our boys we would have had young women from the LDS social services in our home. Many of these young ladies face problems without the support or strength that you have. Our daughters have baby sat the adopted children. My wife wanted to make sure if our daughters were to get pregnant out of wedlock that they would have a good view of the other side of adoption. Although my daughters are now married and did not have an out of wed pregnancy they have been able to help and counsel and give support to some of their friends. I have tried very hard to teach my children to make decisions and be prepared in life before a crisis; of which we have had our fair share. May I add one more thing - one adoptive young man I have taken with me and trained him as a white water rafting guide. He is not a perfect kid but one any mom would be pleased with (I am his uncle). He is 17 and he plans, when he is 18, to look up his birth mom and thank her for giving him birth and placing him with his family. And in case you are wondering - I am very hard in my training of white water rafting guides - mistakes can be fatal. The Traveler Traveler: By the way I to also live in Ut,but we live in Provo. Thank-you for your comment. "J" aka Bluesaphires_n_diamonds. :)

I didn't say that we care and are doing the right thing. I said that no one is perfect. Traveler, I'm not sure you are aware, but you come across as very self-righteous... that's just my humble opinion though. You tend to have a strong set of values and morals, but you lose me (and I'm sure some others) by the way you tend to come across so judgmental. You are quite correct. I am very result oriented. I could say I was brough up that way. If something is not working - I tend to believe that a loving and caring person will learn from experience and make better choices and apologize and forgive for wrong choices rather than make excuses for old wrong choices. I do not believe we are doing what ought to be done for children in our society and it breaks my heart. I believe we have become a very enabling society for bad choices - especially concerning children. I as sorry that it sounds cold, hard and judgmental. The Traveler The Traveler: I'am the mother of the boy that is refered to in the original question this happened to our family nearly 7 years ago now. I'am LDS and so is all my family with the exception of my sister who posted the original question after I was talking to her I just wondered if anyone else had been given the same advice from the Church that we had recieved at that time. My son now is 23 years old and his precious little girl is 6 yrs old..this is the little girl that his ex-g/f was pregnant with at the time thank goodness the mother didnt give in to HER parents wishes to give my precious granddaughter up for adoption,if she had we wouldnt have this precious spirt in our family,Both my son and his ex-g/f both finished high school and they both are working and going to school to continue their education dont get me wrong its been a strugle for them both but even though the two of them never married each other the mother is a excellent mother and my son is very involved in his little girls life,at age 16 he took on the responsibility of being a FATHER and he's a excellent one he pays his child support faithfully and supports his daughter in every way.Maybe we are the exception to the rule.We did pray,met with our Bishop we were even asked to talk to LDS Family services which we did my son was advised as to the churches policy on wanting unwed parents to give their children up to a LDS family so that child could have all the blessings of being sealed to the adoptive parents. As stated on other posts DONT BE SO JUDGEMENTAL.... NO ONE IS PERFECT.. I just hope and pray that if you have any children and they become pregnant you may change your thinking. Since I came from a good LDS family and was raised in the LDS faith as is my son but WE all make mistakes. :)