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@Carborendum But I thought she was practically perfect in every way? But if you don't believe her, you can always youtube Fanny Cradock.

Well. In that case.... Does anyone have a recipe for Spinach Quiche? I've followed several but the crust never turns out.... its always too tough.

I seriously could have posted "Does anyone have a recipe for Spinach Quiche?" and this argument over one's self validation STILL would have erupted....

@BeccaKirstyn You know you're right. You're absolutely correct. The answer was obvious and right under my nose the whole time. In the end I can't judge....

It's fine man. This thread has gone beyond the initial theme. I should have just held my tongue.

@kapikui To answer you question. How do I feel about sports? Honestly I don't follow them much, I'm into personal fitness. However, they're fun to watch but in the end its only just a game.

And what childish things would that be? This whole thread started out with me asking what could possibly drive supposedly normal, well-adjusted women in a Single's Branch to do such nutty things. How is that an obsession? But if you want to know my opinion... then yes a person who do JUST that on live TV is childish and stupid. But I will state my opinions... Members of the church are all types of people with different interests, and come from different circumstances. Sorry, I've spoken nothing but the truth. I have stated examples of people I have meet, and dealt with. If anyone doesn't believe me... to be honest, I wouldn't either. If you get your pants all wadded up because I said return missionaries come back entitled, naive, and brainwashed well sorry, but that was my experience at BYU and after my mission. Besides I thought one of you said that you we should just face reality.... Well... mid-singles go nuts. Mormons are a "STRANGE and peculiar people". Omega came in here and blasted everyone for being an Anime geek and I'm the jerk? Nope... I've been calling it as I see it. I didn't call EVERYONE strange, I didn't call everyone bizarre did I? NO, I only referred to those individuals I have met who did act that way, and referred to knuckleheads and human train wrecks I continue to deal with on a frequent basis. You all don't like what I'm saying? Well don't gang up on me. You think I'm misinterpreting people's actions, give me compelling examples to illustrate your point........ My point and you've all proven it during the past three days is that the doctrine and the social expectations of this church put pressure on members to conform that is that if they fall short they get desperate (MY EXPERIENCES), or get pulled under the tire (Irons' Experiences). The idea that one is saved or part of a chosen people makes them confident....Confident to act goofy when content, and nearly unbearable and close minded if anyone questions it... like Omega's response yesterday. I seem to remember that I NEVER, EVER spoke back to anyone who did not criticize or pick a fight with me first. Don't like it? Well... it just shows how defensive members are that they respond to any criticism not about the gospel, not about the prophet, but of some of the saddest examples of our kind by apologizing for them or becoming outright defensive? NOW...what was that about "childish" things again?

Hi Vort... you suck at reverse psychology by the way. Cooties... no. It was the combination of infantile stupidity coming from a bunch of boys who acted as if they had an edge on the rest of the world. An assurance that swung between naive and arrogant. Nice try though...

@MormonGator: Ain't nothing wrong with board games, ain't nothing wrong with Disney.... But when you have full grown me... BOYS getting competitive over Risk and Cataan, sorry I think I deserve some credit for even giving you the same courtesy that I usually save for the other Priesthood. Also... picture this. You're riding home from church on Sunday... its a nice day out. Everyone is feeling so energized. "Man I love feeling the spirit" - Ok I, I guess I do too. And then, the whole car full of 4 other guys in their mid 20's erupt into "Be a Man" by Mulan. And this from the same ones to who esteem themselves to be upright men of God?

His story is not unusual. I have a friend who is now 35 who was told my his Stake President to not attend a Single's Ward in Mesa Arizona for 8 years. He wishes he had gone because he says he would have been married by now. Whether he would be or wouldn't is impossible to say but he never had a chance to find out. Also the stake president had no right to make that decision because people from all over the area were attending. The church is not immune to bad leadership. I say give the guy a break. He came here trying to explain his part of the story now everyone is picking on him.... What gives? Seriously? He wasn't talking about not having a job, or not getting ahead, he said that women don't want anything to do with him because he's not a return missionary. Seriously? He would know what he's been dealing with because he's experienced it... not you guys...... Should he leave? Well, the solution for me would be to go back to a Family Ward. But he has to do what's good for him, not put up with this crap.

1) From Merriam-Webster: To mock or make fun of someone or something. Naming a certain individual is not required. In fact a party or group or society is often included in the definition. But you are right. It wasn't lampooning because that would require humor. 2) If I did not read the post, why would I have said, "If it's not unique..." I think you got something confused. My premise was that A) You admit it was not unique. Yet B) You titled your post "...in our faith". Why add those three words if you already know it is not unique to our faith? It would have been a more accurate title if you omitted those three words. So, it leads one to believe that you see something worse in our faith? Or what? NOTE: this item #2. This was a completely innocent question. Why did you add those three words? Was there an additional point you were making that was not explicit in your OP? Why is it so important that merely asking this question brought out ire? This could be the key to the advice you seek. 3) Ok then. 4) "you gotta put this hater back in his place.... Clap, clap, clap." ---Pot, kettle. Grasp, grasp, grasp.

Well Omega dude... you opened a can of worms with this one. I have to admit that yes there is a tendency EVERYWHERE for people to bemoan their problems.... (check out my original post that started this all), but you are the type of Mormon that makes me hate Mormons... I did not serve a mission until 26, because during my time in Utah I met lots of people just like you. So please keep it up. Its members like you that keep things fresh... it gives us a standard to measure ourselves against in that onward march called Eternal Progression.....

Hey Carborendum.... Scuse me... I want to make sure I answer your questions... I mean you're calling me out on a public forum.... can't back down can I? You do know what "lampoon" means, right- Ummm pretty sure. But in case you don't here's the link... http://www.dictionary.com/browse/lampooned Reading that, please review your questions...... did I NAME anyone in particular? Also ahem.... If it's not unique to the church why the OP and title of this thread? I never said it was unique to this church... If you READ my post.. not even carefully I mean its right at the end I said.... "Also I am currently living in Honolulu, and from what I've heard my experiences are not just unique to the church... but it seems like there is a large number of slightly "off" people who come here." However, the topic was about what is driving women in my single's branch here in Honolulu to do such straight up strange things? If it was one incident that's one thing... if it happens twice, ok, whatever... 3 times? Well it can be expected... but straight up 6 or 7? And from different individuals??? Tell me you wouldn't be scratching your head. Hence the request at the very end for... "Any insights, suggestions, or advice would be greatly appreciated." Sobbed for a whole hour? Really? A whole hour? A whole hour? Ok, maybe that's not accurate... it was sobbing, broken up by lamenting which lead to more crying which at at times lead to even more sobbing... for exactly 70 minutes and 45 seconds.... Yes that's right I timed it. When people are looking around and employees are starting to lean over and look because they think you're being abusive... you start getting nervous and looking at your watch. Why did I stay you ask... for the same reason I stay... I had hurt her, and she deserved closure. And after that she still let herself get offended and went as far as to threaten me with a lawsuit for emotional abuse, go to the police and file charges for libel when I confronted her about lies she had told me about her previous leaders and other members she had known in other branches, and tried to shame me on Social Media kinda like you're trying to do right now....... Carborendum, if you're smart enough to use a computer you comprehend the importance of reading a post on an online forum before putting in your two cents.... I can see from your snippy little comments you at least ermm "skimmed". But yeah I went there with the whole name calling, blah, blah, blah... you gotta put this hater back in his place. So good for you. Great job, you SURE showed me didn't you? "Clap, clap, clap".... Now........Here's your change.....

Hi Eowyn... "My husband wants to know where you live, and if you've ever met people. He doesn't know of any guys in his EQ, RM or not, who are giddy over board games (except maybe Risk or Settlers of Catan, sometimes... and "giddy" isn't even the right word), and certainly none who even approach giddy over Disney songs. Tolerant, maybe, but not giddy." Well.... " Also I am currently living in Honolulu, " Its in the thread. Here it doesn't happen. But I've seen my fair share in Utah and California at the Singles Wards over there....

"I do not know what kind of crack people are smoking to believe that serving a full time mission makes you marriage material when in reality it makes you very headstrong, opinionated and giddy over board games and disney songs.... eeeyuhk." Bitter? Nah just stating the obvious. And quite possibly I think I just answered my own question about what makes people go crazy when plans for marriage fail to materialize. The church and missionary work are seperate from human tendency to self glorification when involved in a "worthy" goal.... Anyone hear "the more doors you knock, the hotter your future wife will be?".... Anyone here guilty of saying that?

Ironhold, That sucks! I know how it can be which is why I am grateful to my dad for never forcing me to go on a mission.... when I went I was old already "26", but I was ready and I wanted to be out there. I saw how much the war cry to serve a mission was drummed into other kids from the States and in Latin America and it was tragic to hear how they were shunned if they ever went back early. I am sorry you have been treated so badly and shunned because you did what you had to do. Its true a mission is not for everyone... and I do not mean that in any quasi condescending way either. A mission is not a one size fits all policy, and honestly you putting your family first was far more of a sacrifice than the grand majority of the kids who go out there ever give. I can assure you, you would have lost it with some of those boys who messed around and threw attitude like you'd expect from a bunch of teenagers who are away from home for the first time.... I came close to fighting with so many of them. At least you didn't develop over those two years a feeling of entitlement to marrying "one of those, hot blond-haired, blue-eyed girls from Utah." THAT'S a quote by the way....... I do not know what kind of crack people are smoking to believe that serving a full time mission makes you marriage material when in reality it makes you very headstrong, opinionated and giddy over board games and disney songs.... eeeyuhk. Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we currently have a first presidency where none of them ever served a full time mission.... USE that one as a come back.

Go......Drink..........Kehhhh........thcup. K, got it! Thanks NeuroTypical.

Beyond the video game watch some actual public awareness films made to prepare people for just such an event. Protect and Survive was made by the BBC in the 70's to shock the British Public into paying attention and preparing for WWIII.... We watched something similar for history class..... just thinking about some of those scenes still makes me squeemish even to this day.

In all honesty I'd like to say that I'd stay behind and be blown away with the wind... but the survival instinct is just that. I don't know what I'd do if I was feeling it AND I saw my wife starting to freak out. That would be the last straw to make me act and make a mad dash to the Vault. It's a horrible proposition that I'm sure many people had nightmares about 50 years ago....

I have been reminded snarkily by some of my leaders... "Brother... remember, the church is a hospital for the spiritually sick".... I'm like great, so how did I end up in the Mental Ward.... which is literally what me and a friend used to refer to the Single's Branch as.... before she snapped and tried to put a curse on me. Sometimes when I'm in the car listening to other guys approaching 35 talk about how badly they wish they were married, and how they have to get married.... I zone out and start to wonder how long it will be before I turn into one of them. Its literally like that movie 28 days later... ANYBODY and can turn crazy on a moment's notice and you don't know if you're next..... Its time I to go back to a Family Ward.

@ MormonGator "(Don't call people "psycho". Also don't be so harsh to judge women. )" Did I mention that in the end she tried to cast a spell on me and she accused me to trying to put a curse on her? I

First off. I am a mid single and I love it, however this will be a question about eternal marriage. I do not want this to come across as a bitter rant, because it isn't. Noooooo, no, no. The purpose of this topic is to gain insight and get some theraputic release into why mid singles who are in their mid thirties go straight up weird and desperate. I'll elaborate.......For the past 11 years I have met a sizable amount of members at church, "the majority of whom are return missionaries, college graduates, and obviously active because I wouldn't have me them in the first place" who, starting right around age 28 begin expressing this sadness about not being married and begin to develop a deep, bitter regret about life. This sadness has reduced full grown men to tears and turned other wise polite, timid, ermm "awkward" girls into raving lunatics. I know that a temple marriage is one of the main goals every Mormon who's really a Mormon should aim for however why is it that they go straight up cray cray? I have had girls every year for the past 7 years try to guilt trip me into dating them and ask me in public and online to marry them. One time when I refused to be this girl's boyfriend she started to scream, cry and stomp her feet on the ground at a mall in plain view of everyone. Just last year a friend of mine asked me to be her boyfriend in a McDonald's and when I told her that I wanted to just remain friends, she broke down and sobbed in plain view of everyone for a whole hour. That kicked off a 5 month-long, downhill slide that culminating with her going straight up psycho on me, shaming me on Facebook and an attempt to get me fired from my job. I'll spare you all the the details about the stuff others have actually said up on the pulpit (Fast Sundays) to try and get attention in some really, really poorly calculated attempt to appear adorkable because quirky is better than boring.... right? I'm sure you've all seen your share. I'm not trying to lampoon anyone but I just want some answers. Answers to questions like, What is it about this whole being alone thing and even this whole getting old thing where seemingly normal people willingly transform themselves into human train wrecks??? What gets switched-on "or off" in the minds of people when they near the big 3-0 that they go completely nuts? I am getting sick of dealing with it, and when I have talked about these experiences with others I get treated like there is something wrong with me for having had anything to do with these people. And to think this all came about from me interacting with them because of my callings in church or just by sitting within 5 feet of them. Also I am currently living in Honolulu, and from what I've heard my experiences are not just unique to the church... but it seems like there is a large number of slightly "off" people who come here. Any insights, suggestions, or advice would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Horrified and confused.