Gladly, I have had some 'not so nice' comments thrown my way on this site since I have been here. But you, you win for the most insulting, unnecessary, unkind, unwarranted, unchristian comment of all of them. Congratulations, you must be super proud of yourself. Anyway my 'influence' as you so put it must be wearing off by now - so I'd better go do something about that.

You kiss your mother with that mouth? Just curious

@wenglundI have told you my belief on that right now (a few times), you just seem to want something more complicated, perhaps it doesn't need to be complicated. Right now I don't believe the LDS teaching on eternal marriage, I do believe we will be with our loved ones in heaven, I don't think we need to go through some temple ceremony for that to happen. I don't think heaven is structured how the LDS church says it is.

For the majority of Christian women (after all the LDS church makes up a very small percentage of christian churches), eternal polygamy is not a part of that choice, and I don't believe it should be.

As I have already stated I do that I think we will be with our loved ones in heaven. I don't believe that the LDS teaching of having to be sealed in a temple for that to happen is a valid teaching. I don't think heaven will look anything like what the LDS church teaches, I don't think an earthly marriage/temple sealing will mean what the LDS church says it will mean in heaven. I will continue to search for what I believe to be the true church of Jesus Christ.

Again, here you are assuming that the teachings of the LDS are true, that is not my viewpoint, so I'm not giving up heaven or salvation, I just don't agree with your definition of it.

My current belief (as I have already stated OVER AND OVER AND OVER) is that I DON'T BELIEVE THE LDS CHURCH IS THE TRUE CHURCH. That is my current belief - hope that's clear to everyone now And I don't need an English lesson from you. I'm not the one who can't take a hint.

Exactly, that is what I mean by polygamy with penalties, a woman may choose she has no choice but to not marry the man she loves because she believes a doctrine taught by her church that she may have to live polygamy for all eternity if she does. I don't think putting any woman in that position is ok.

Like I have said, this decision that the LDS church is not the true church is NOT based on polygamy, this is just the straw that broke the camels back. I am not ditching the LDS church because of polygamy or any 'fear' of sharing my husband. I believe the doctrine taught about needing a sealing to be 'married for eternity' is not true. I do believe we will be with our loved ones in heaven, but I don't believe it is structured how the LDS church says it is. I don't believe a lot of things the LDS church say are true, the book of Abraham, the first vision, the lost pages of the book of mormon, (and many more) all these things have strongly contributed to my decision, I have prayed and prayed and I have looked at the LDS perspective and information to 'refute, resolve, make peace with' very thoroughly, bottom line is I don't buy it, and that's ok. I have learnt a lot about myself in this process, I have learnt how to connect better with God when I do pray, I feel the spirit every time I pray now and that is a wonderful thing.

But if your husband you are to be sealed to in the temple is already sealed to another woman (be she divorced or deceased) then you are being asked to agree to eternal polygamy. So the happiest day of a woman life turns into a heartbreaking nightmare. Or you can try and find someone else to marry and be sealed to and make sure they die first so they can't be sealed to anyone else (and potential husbands don't just grow on trees!). Very stressful thoughts for a woman, after all eternity is an awfully long time.

I said I didn't have a problem with consenting adults practicing polygamy but I do have a problem with polygamy with penalties - all religious polygamy is tied to a penalty. Missionary lessons do not include 'by the way there is a chance your husband will be sealed to two or more women and you might have to live polygamy for all eternity' I never said you had to be a spiritual polygamist wife to get to the highest level of heaven. But if you are to marry a man who is already sealed to another women, then, in that case that is the choice you are faced with, be sealed to this man and live polygamy for all eternity, or don't be sealed to him and accept a lower level of glory. I don't want to be a part of any organisation that has polygamy in ANY part of their doctrine for ANYONE, not just me. Bottom line is I don't think this is the true church, and its not just because of polygamy in heaven, that is just the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.

This is a bit ridiculous, you're asking me to come up with a religious belief system because I don't agree with yours? I'm saying I don't think the LDS is the true church, I don't believe their teachings are true. This is not the church for me. That doesn't automatically make me somehow responsible to 'come up with a better system' the question is ridiculous. I'll stay faithful in my search to find what I believe to be Christ's true church, if you like when I find it, I'll send you a copy of their doctrine and beliefs - but I"m not making up my own religion to answer your question - that's ridiculous

There are a lot of people from different faiths on this site, they seem to find value in being here.

Thank you, I really appreciate that, and I agree, everyone should be in the church that God wants them to be in.

All of this is based on the assumption that the sealing ritual is of God in the first place. I'm now of the opinion that it is not, so I don't agree with it, I don't think the LDS view of heaven is right, I just don't believe it anymore, and I hope you understand that I have looked at this VERY thoroughly, I judge no one for believing in the teachings of the LDS church, so I do hope none of you judge me because as of this morning (after very heartfelt prayer) I do not believe it. I'm sorry but I do not believe it.

You see its very different for me because you all take this as the truth, as the word of God, I'm an investigator, which means I'm looking at all the evidence and deciding if this church is true. Very different viewpoint. All other christian churches have a very different view on heaven and the afterlife - which doesn't contain polygamy. The LDS church is a fringe religion within christianity, it doesn't have a very big population of christian's. So from my view - WHAT IF, just WHAT IF, this isn't the true church at all and I'm signing myself up to a potential eternity of misery for no good reason. This may just be the final straw for me, its not just the polygamy thing, its all of it combined, the book of Abraham, the first vision, the fact that there was a big gap in the translation of the book of mormon because of the missing pages, you have to pay 10% and get married in a temple and learn secret handshakes to be with God, etc, etc, etc, its too much to make excuses for or to shelf for me. And it feels like every time I shelf something, something else comes up, I don't want to spend the rest of my faith life making excuses and trying to make things fit that don't. I honestly think I'm done investigating. I hope you all will still accept me on the forums in christian love, for I do still love the lord and I will follow him, but not with this Church, for me its not the true church, if it is for you then thats great, but not for me.

The downside is women are forced to make a choice, live in heaven with God and Jesus and accept the fact that you might have to live polygamy for eternity - or don't be with God at all. I hardly think God would force women to accept polygamy via blackmail, and thats what that is, spiritual blackmail. No thanks

Not culture based at all. It goes to the deepest most spiritual beliefs of my heart and soul. I have prayed long and hard on this one.

People living in ancient times are no less human than we are. But they did also have slavery and public death penalties, women could be traded by their fathers in marriage for livestock. The world is a very different place now with very different moral values so I don't really see this as a valid argument. In 1890 God supposedly told the LDS church to stop practicing polygamy. I wasn't aware that stop meant 'oh but in heaven its still cool' Stop means Stop And doesn't this give the fundamentalist groups more credibility than the mainstream LDS? They didn't stop this 'heavenly practice' because of political penalties. To be perfectly clear I don't have a problem with polygamy between 3 or more consenting adults. I do however, have a problem with polygamy with penalties. And thats what this is, a spiritual penalty. The LDS church is saying you can't get to the highest level of heaven where God is unless you accept the fact that you may (as a woman) have to live polygamy in heaven. Thats spiritual blackmail, women are going to agree to do something against their moral conscience to avoid a penalty. That's not consent. I think the LDS church is wrong on this one, polygamy is either ok or its not ok. Its also going to cost a lot of memberships too. This is not something the missionaries tell you in your lessons, this is not something you generally learn before baptism, this is something that comes and bites you in the butt when its too late. Not me, no way

Having my husband married to another woman for all eternity bothers me. If the garden of eden was the ideal way to live, there was no polygamy, god made Adam and Eve, not Adam, Eve and Shirley. I don't understand why LDS women would accept this, I certainly never will. And if the church really took polygamy from the earth because God said so rather than political reasons, then surely that revelation would make it is gone from heaven too, otherwise whats the point

If that's truely the way heaven operates then I don't want anything to do with it. And we are not talking about ancient times we are talking about now.

I've just been reading a thread about a lady who is getting sealed to her husband but he is still sealed to his ex wife. He has applied for a cancellation but they are not sure if he will get it. But they can still get sealed in the temple if he doesn't get the cancellation. So men can be sealed to more than one woman for eternity. So polygamy in the celestial kingdom is ok Here's my problem - this poor woman (and others in her situation or similar situations) could very well be faced with living polygamy for eternity, I mean she does need a temple marriage to get to the celestial kingdom. So you're kind left with the choice of, live eternal polygamy or don't get sealed to your husband and accept lower degree of glory. This doesn't sit well with me at all, polygamy is gone from the earth, but it seems to still have a place in heaven, if I had to live polygamy in heaven I wouldn't even want to go to heaven. Is this just something left over from polygamy the church hasn't fixed yet? Is there discussion with the church to get this changed? How do women deal with this? I'd be heart broken

You are not selfish, its something about the church that I don't agree with. A woman can't be sealed to two different men, but a man can be sealed to more than one women. But polygamy is no longer a doctrine? Seems like something that needs to be addressed to me, I don't think you should have to share your husband in heaven, no matter what the circumstances.

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