Blossom76

Probably more than you, and on many more subjects than just religion. And when I am researching something, especially something that could change my life and the way you live it, I look at its history, all of its history, not just the warm and fluffy stuff. I think you'd be a fool not to

I would have told them to stick it and left. I don't believe for a second that God wanted women to be miserable or put up with polygamy. That is one the things about the history of this church that I will NEVER be ok with. I also will NEVER believe that its what God wanted.

@miavPossibly, why not? I think its ok to say 'this is the good parts and I accept them and appreciate them' its also ok to say ' this stuff is crazy and I'm not ok with it at all'

that's not exactly what I meant. What I mean is there seems to be this culture of 'you have to believe and accept it all or you're out'

Why is it always all or nothing with most LDS members? Its a very childish stance if you ask me

Now that I believe, and its exactly what I am in the process of doing. But proof comes from more than just feelings.

Thank you and I do get it, I can see the difference, but I still don't like it, its inconsistent and it invites problems and gives a lot room for doubt. In my opinion, I should be able to trust these older documents, I think they should have the most truth in them, because they are the oldest source we have on the subject. I don't like that there are so many inconsistencies in them.

I want to be in the church that worships God and Jesus in the way they want to be worshiped. I'm investigating the LDS church because of its claims to be the only true and living church on the face of the earth. From my point of view it all comes down to authority. Who has the authority on earth to act for Jesus Christ. Turns out that's a rather hard question to answer.

Thank You. Thank You So Much. You have no idea how much it means to me to hear you say that. Thank you ? ?

I don't want another thread to discuss the problems of the Catholic church, I'm not the one bringing it up, I'm just responding to it.

The history of the church says 'comment of the prophet on the kinder hook plates' Comment of the prophet! What do you not understand about that. Church history says 'comment of the prophet' if it was not a comment of the prophet it should not BE IN THERE - that is a problem! Comment of the Prophtet on the Kinderhook Plates. I insert fac-similes of the six brass plates found near Kinderhook, in Pike county, Illinois, on April 23, by Mr. Robert Wiley and others, while excavating a large mound. They found a skeleton about six feet from the surface of the earth, which must have stood nine feet high. The plates were found on the breast of the skeleton and were covered on both sides with ancient characters. I have translated a portion of them, and find they contain the history of the person with whom they were found. He was a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the Ruler of heaven and earth. This is from The History of The Church Volume 5 Chapter 19 https://byustudies.byu.edu/content/volume-5-chapter-19

Because it alludes to the fact that Joseph said something that perhaps he did not say. And I don't know what you are trying to achieve by citing catholic writings - I am willing to leave the Catholic Church because of all the problem I can see with it. And just so you know, catholic doctrine is found in the Catechism.

I'm willing to leave the Catholic Church for reasons like this, I'm not going to jump into another faith that does the same kind of things

I dont have to justify why I think something is not acceptable, I don't have to 'convince you' of anything, and I'm certainly not going to try. And if god said to Jospeh "for they were all wrong” and “all their creeds were an abomination.” and you or other members believe something different, then I have a very big issue with that too. After all that is the whole reason the LDS church was established in the first place.

I dont think the links posted by others are an acceptable explanation, honestly I view them more like an excuse, an excuse I am not willing to accept. If you are then that's great, but I don't and that doesn't make me or you wrong or right, it just makes us different. And that's ok

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, and I"m not taking the CES letter as a source, but the church documents it references - very different thing. And you have to remember that the LDS church attacks every other christian church on the earth. "for they were all wrong” and “all their creeds were an abomination.”- pretty strong language.

I hope you find the answers to your questions, and I hope when you ask them you are not attacked or made to feel like you have no right to question it.

Do not assume to know the intentions of my husband, he is a very honest and decent man, and once again I remind you that we are talking about different denominations of Christianity (specifically LDS and Catholicism) and the arguments for and against each one. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with Islam, this is ridiculous. And there are plenty of attacks against Catholicism by other christian denominations, actually if you read the history of Catholicism it does a pretty good job of attacking and discrediting itself!

It gives me questions that need answering, and it highlights some serious problems with church history and the authority structure of the church. It most certainly doesn't make me feel inferior, tired discouraged to overwhelmed. It does however, make me feel upset that these questions don't seem to have an easy go to answer.

Im not assuming that at all, I'm saying that if he said it (which church history both backs up and then kind of denies at the same time) then thats a problem, because he should not just be 'guessing', it's either of God or it is not, no room for guessing, and if he didn't say it then the church should not have recorded that he did.

You could not be more wrong. We have seen more what you would call 'anti catholic' material (very well researched and full of good evidence too) than you know. And my husband not only looks at it but finds it himself and gives it to me. He also doesn't get all defensive and come back with weak arguments and excuses for it either, if it's proven then its proven. Simple as that, no need to have a hissy fit over it.

What I am seeing is I am getting the same response as I did the thread about the 'changes to the book of mormon' I am not worked up about the information I have read, I am upset about it but to be honest I am more 'worked up' about the responses I get from other LDS members (you guys). It appears you get so defensive and when I don't see things how you see them it turns nasty. Option 1: JS was a fraud, the BOM is false and Church is full of it. Option 2: "Or..." here is a great video from Elder Callister you should consider instead. And I do not think those are the only two options at all. I think that is a very naive view, I have already said I believe in the Book of Mormon. It doesn't automatically make every thing else the church or Jospeh said or did right. Not in that context, if God isn't telling you something, you don't 'just guess' especially when you know full well that people will more than likely believe you anyway

What I am seeing is I am getting the same response as I did the thread about the 'changes to the book of mormon' I am not worked up about the information I have read, I am upset about it but to be honest I am more 'worked up' about the responses I get from other LDS members (you guys). It appears you get so defensive and when I don't see things how you see them it turns nasty. Option 1: JS was a fraud, the BOM is false and Church is full of it. Option 2: "Or..." here is a great video from Elder Callister you should consider instead. And I do not think those are the only two options at all. I think that is a very naive view, I have already said I believe in the Book of Mormon. It doesn't automatically make every thing else the church or Jospeh said or did right.

If he wasn't get anything from heaven about it, he shouldn't have said anything at all! Either God told him something or he didn't. You don't just 'make a guess' because God is silent. Especially when you have previously proclaimed things that God has said. It's naturally going to create confusion and is a very unethical thing to do.

For me, history is very important, a lot of the reason for me looking at other faiths is because of the history of my the church I was raised in. I'm not going to ignore inconsistencies or problems in the history of the LDS faith and acknowledge them in Catholicism. That's not going to work at all.