Alex

Actually, being aware is what prevents us from making bad choices- after all, we wouldn't have been warned in the scriptures about the A/C if it wasn't for our benefit. If Americans had have known that the A/C Khomeini was about to seize control in Iran in 79 and either kill or hold them hostage, they wouldn't have gone to work in Iran ! And yes, he was an Anti-Christ because he outlawed Christianity in Iran. And please, dignifying MBS with the title of "an innocent child of god" is unwarranted given his penchant for revenge and thuggery.

If I'm wrong, I shall cease writing this. But what if I'm right and good people don't know because do-gooders made discussion on the A/C a taboo topic? Hmm, you keep on talking about his character being assassinated by me but truly, he's someone who doesn't believe in Christ as our god. He wouldn't care. Heck, he just befriended Muqtada al-sada and that Islamic cleric is a Christian-hating butcher.

Yep. Watch and wait and of course, be aware. The scriptures have outlined some specifics that will happen to him next, if this is indeed him- an attack on his life from which he survives when he should be dead and he moves to subdue 3 kings. It's after the attack on the A/C that the false prophet appears who works miracles and commands all to worship the A/C. The whole 'bringer of peace' in a turbulent world aspect to the A/C is what fools many and if I can draw a possibly clumsy analogy, the culture that is being exposed in hollywood currently, where people haven't spoken up for years for fear of losing their comfort level in life, is exactly the same tool that the A/C is going to use on many many millions of people. People are not going to give up food or luxury in their day to day lives if they feel they don't have to- many will simply worship the A/C as they are instructed to, in order to keep that instantaneous comfort level. I know we are focusing on the Filipino's here but those Catholic Filipinos working in Saudi are probably the most likely to believe a false prophet who works miracles in front of their eyes- after all, stigmata claims in the Philippines among Catholics are almost commonplace. Look, I want to keep on posting articles to this thread, over time. Things that are needful are: 1) Relevant warnings from the brethren, from conference talks or Ensign articles. 2) Info about MBS- not his spending habits but his maneuvering as it corresponds with the scriptures. 3) Disagreement on the identity of the beast- let's stick to the facts that the scriptures foretell. If people don't like this thread, that is fine. Nobody is forcing you to read. As I've said before, the pointers are quickening at an unnatural pace- particularly in the last 2 months. I doubt it's a coincidence. Just when the 5 nations where Ephraim is established in order to disseminate the gospel (USA, Can, UK, Aus, NZ) spiral into a sharp moral decline, MBS begins laying a foundation of lies to build an empire of misery.

Yes, I read your questions- how would a 'pino behave if they were dealing with the Saudi's and if the Filipino wondered about the true intent of the Saudi Prince' and to that I can only ask if you want members to be mindless zombies? The book of Revelation is not the Songs of Solomon you know- it's there to be read and to be pondered upon. I have offered 2 facts and you offered nought but emotion.

Yeah, they weren't very good questions, so I didn't bother with them. I reckon most muslims, sunni or shia, wouldn't care in the least if a prince of Saud was named as an Anti-Christ.

Hmm, I thought it was the US and Australia that was assisting in the Philippines with islamists who are coming over from Indonesia? I don't see how the Saudi's are involved in that and even if they were providing intell, my theory on a web forum is hardly something to punish philippino's over.

Another day, another lightning fast change from MBS. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20171115-israel-and-saudi-co-sponsor-anti-assad-un-resolution/ Hmm, it doesn't worry me that MBS moved against another prince of Saud who opposed him (the helicopter crash that killed prince Mansour 2 weeks ago) because that's a Machiavellian means that is played out in many nations on earth but it's the praise for MBS's moves to peace, tolerance and moderation that has me rolling my eyes. Well, at least some are cautious- http://www.businessinsider.com/doubt-about-saudi-prince-mohammed-bin-salman-reputation-as-reformer-2017-11?IR=T According to the book of Revelations, the last A/C is attacked and nearly killed. Well, MBS has many enemies within the house of Saud and the establishment in Saudi Arabia who want him gone so that's another thing to watch for- him coming back from the death's door following an attack on his life... and right now, it's prince Faysal who is publicly denying MBS was behind the helicopter crash that killed Faysal's brother. In secret, that branch of the house of Saud will now be plotting revenge against MBS. So far the only things that point to MBS being the A/C are his public love of 'peace' and the fact that he is the son of one of the ten kings of the house of Saud. Yeah, it ain't much to form a theory upon but it's the unnatural speed of change here that has me paying attention. Revelation 13:9-10 is interesting because it defines an attribute of the saints in the last days- patience with what is prevailing around them. 9If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Anyway, it's after the A/C is miraculously restored to health that a false prophet arrives who performs miracles and forces the ignorant to accept the A/C as their savior. Hmm, the assertion that the brethren will identify the A/C is correct; when the A/C begins actively opposing the work of God. At the moment, I think we're seeing the sudden rise of the A/C though- he is building his power base. Q- Would the general authorities tell us now that the A/C is building his power base, or words to that effect? A- Christ told the apostles that one of them was about to betray him and how to recognize the betrayer. Maybe the general authorities would warn us of an action about to be performed by the A/C, leaving it up to us to recognize it ? Anyway, I am interested in your thoughts pertaining to the subject, for here is the (my) patience.

Daniel 8:25 KJV And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. Hmm, and the message in Judges 7:5-7 is about the wisdom of being aware. I too thirst for peace, especially for persecuted Maronite Christians but, I choose to question this magnanimous source of cool-aid instead of gulping it straight down. Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And just for those who care, the prince is the son of one of the ten kings/rulers of the house of Saud. Q- Is he diverse from the ten? A- Yes, he sure is for he offers peace! We were given these scriptures to figure them out- they are not given to gather dust on bookshelves. I'm watching to see which three kings/rulers are subdued in the coming years by this 'bringer of peace' because I sense he's the great deceiver.

Hmm, a couple of points. 1) Carter wisely froze Iran's assets following the islamic revolution. For those who didn't know, the then Shah of Iran (1979) had paid the USA around a billion to buy advanced weaponry for Iran. Yeah, many would say the Shah was a greedy dictator but in context, the islamic revolution was/is far worse and that was why Reagan and Bush Snr backed Saddam- because Saddam opposed the Iranian Revolution. Then last year all of a sudden Obama turns around and unfreezes that money, giving it back to Islamist Iran. For some unknown reason Obama just knew better than any President since Carter as he opted to give extremist Iran all that money plus interest. Trump is rightly annoyed over the payment as were many who know that Iran funds Hezbollah (Hezbollah actually admitted it is funded by Iran). Trump is backing the new prince in his purge of any Iranian influence in the Middle East and of course, Israel is so pleased that this new prince secretly visited Israel in October. Things are moving here far more quickly than I've ever seen before- the war drums are beating over Lebanon, again, now that the Saudi prince has forced the Lebanese president to resign just 2 days ago. 2) The dominoes are lining up here for another true 'Gulf War' (that is a war between the oil states on the Persian Gulf) and the Iranian missile fired at Saudi from Yemen a few days ago has to be responded to by Saudi- If I was a gambler I'd put money on Saudi invading Yemen in December to put down the Houthi rebellion. Obviously I can't see the future but this prince's standing within Islam and the West is about to skyrocket- If he kills the radicals in Yemen the globe will applaud. If he feeds the families of the radicals in Yemen (much poverty there) the globe will applaud and even praise him. Yep, I sense something sinister unfurling very quickly here and the fact that one of you (a brother from the Philippines) welcomes the rise of this prince if it defeats Iranian backed terror says that there are probably saints in other nations where terrorism is a problem, who will also welcome his hand. Just be careful with what you hope for.

Oh well, it looks like it's only me who pays attention to what is happening. I also watch for the signs that are promised- I do not seek for more signs but I do watch for that which is specifically mentioned: Luke 21:25. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring Hmm, specific scriptures in Revelations primarily deal with the FINAL Anti-Christ's marking- '...a mark', '...his mark', '...the mark' and '...mark of his name' . I think there are eight of these marking scriptures in Rev alone so it's obviously important to be aware of it, or it wouldn't have been repeated so often. Anyway, if anyone has a talk from any of the brethren since the restoration that adds to this topic then let me know here. Alex

Hi, Brand spanking uber newb here. Had to join this forum because I seem to be the only one around who is watching what has developed in the middle east these last two weeks and is err, a tad concerned. Look, the 4 standard works don't go into a lot of detail about the final a/c . You know, the one raised up specifically to oppose the state of Israel and bring about misery on the face of the earth. The 4 standard works are timeless in that their mentions of an Anti-Christ relate to those opposing Christ in any and all eras. That multiple fulfillment quality is wonderful but err, umm, it's the final Anti-Christ that I keep an eye out for, as many of you do too, in some way. So umm, the last fortnight or so has seen this meteoric rise of a prince in the house of Saud who is essentially working on erasing Iran's presence from the entire Middle East. Now, yes, Iran's islamic revolution back in 77 has brought misery to the region and many of the presidents of Iran have vowed to not only wipe the state of Israel from the map but to wipe Jews from the face of the earth. Everything about modern islamic Iran has evil to it- it has no redeeming qualities to its existence and normally, I would back ANYTHING that was opposed to Iran. But umm, both Israel and now the USA is coming out and praising this prince as a miracle worker who will end extremism in the Middle East. Yeah, letting women drive in Saudi is progress --as this prince has allowed-- but it isn't really changing hearts. It's more of a cover to win over minds. I'm thinking this prince ticks some boxes for being the greatest deceiver the world has ever seen (as his reforms to their law are minimal) and if you think about it, he possess the oil wealth to achieve incredible things. Let's just say that Israel and the USA backs this prince's purge of Iranian influence in Lebanon etc and the USA even enters into battle with him and he goes on to feed and clothe the sick. The UN will absolutely worship him for redistributing wealth and even back him further. For he is the one controlling/protecting Islam's holy sites and he is the hand that has removed the scourge or iran's evil by smothering isis and opposing Iranian funded Hezbollah. Now, I put it to you all that if he achieves just a few of these things, he will convince entire nations to back his purges. And these purges will not just take place outside of Saudi. Saudi Arabia has Wahhabi extremists --who were responsible for 9/11-- but in reality, a true Anti-Christ would sacrifice any and all pawns to achieve the biggest objective. I'm not saying we can oppose what is unfurling here but saints need to consider the never before seen power play that is happening right in front of our eyes. Especially you LDS politicians elected to positions of political power- if you come out and back a war at the behest of this prince, you may well be sowing the seeds for something far, far worse. You know, many praised von Stauffenberg for his plot to kill Hitler but all that Satuffenberg was doing was attempting to replace a drugged up fool (Hitler) with a competent general who could win the war. He appeared to be doing good, but if he succeeded, it would have been far worse for the entire globe. Just keep this in mind brethren/sisters and yep, if you know an LDS politician then please, have them consider that this prince is not all he appears to be. Your considered thoughts are appreciated.