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@Vort Updated my response. Please explain further. I am trying to really understand what you are trying to convey as you seem to be rather active on this forum.

I really like the way you describe things here (except believing widows would not be helpful. They can babysit, make quilts or even go get a job. A Farmer with a broken leg can still peel potatoes or work online (modern day) I also like that you pointed out its your own understanding. What matters is the saints needs are being met. I also like that you mention the food offerings (fast offerings for supplementing those lacking food) which I suppose comes from only a portion of one's income being donated to the Church instead of their entire earnings. Here is what I see: *With other meaning: Book of Mormon and Temple construction (For extra funding) just for more knowledge of the tithe https://www.lds.org/topics/tithing?lang=eng *Side note: Even after reading your response, it is still hard to understand your take on believing 10% would still be paid. After giving everything I have to the Church and giving ALL (100%) of my gains to the Church afterward. Where would I pull the extra 10%? I was sitting and pondering and my mind kept hitting a wall.

Update: Well I looked for my own sources to what you said. I can agree with this statement. Here is my supporting find "Explain that the principles of the law of consecration have not changed since it was revealed through the Prophet Joseph Smith. However, the application of those principles changes from time to time. The current prophet helps us understand how to apply these principles in our day." https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-gospel-doctrine-teachers-manual/lesson-14-the-law-of-consecration?lang=eng Within The Law of Consecration there appears to be a financial portion which deals with providing for the poor and needy of the saints (all saints well being in general) When that portion of The Law of Consecration was not fulfilled by the saints, the Lord issued once again the Tithe as a way to take care of the saints temporal and spiritual needs. Otherwise EVERYTHING we have in this life technically belongs to The Lord and can be required of as requested by Him or his servants the prophets. Cool. We are getting somewhere.

SEE Update Below

The Lord revealed the law of tithing (see D&C 119), which continues today as the financial law of the Church. 1 Verily, thus saith the Lord, I require all their surplus property to be put into the hands of the bishop of my church in Zion, -SO, all my extra stuff goes to the Bishop? Okay 2 For the building of mine house, and for the laying of the foundation of Zion and for the priesthood, and for the debts of the Presidency of my Church. -Sounds good, don’t mind being a team player. Leaders need to eat, Church needs to grow, Temple is a must and debts need to be paid asap. Ok, I’m on board 3 And this shall be the beginning of the tithing of my people. -Fair enough. Seems okay to me. 4 And after that, those who have thus been tithed shall pay one-tenth of all their interest annually; and this shall be a standing law unto them forever, for my holy priesthood, saith the Lord. -Okay after you take my surplus stuff that I already had with me from then on I will pay 10% of ALL my annual interests on my gains, sweet. FOREVER??? Like even after I gain exaltation I will stay pay a 10% to my Holy Father. Okay. I’ll have to figure that out later. Or maybe it means my entire mortal life only? Meh, no idea at the moment. 5 Verily I say unto you, it shall come to pass that all those who gather unto the land of Zion shall be tithed of their surplus properties, and shall observe this law, or they shall not be found worthy to abide among you. -Okay. All new comers give up a tithe of their extra stuff and pay a Tithe on their annual interests. Got it 6 And I say unto you, if my people observe not this law, to keep it holy, and by this law sanctify the land of Zion unto me, that my statutes and my judgments may be kept thereon, that it may be most holy, behold, verily I say unto you, it shall not be a land of Zion unto you. -Yikes! Okie. Keep the Law of Tithing 7 And this shall be an ensample unto all the stakes of Zion. Even so. Amen. Amen

Got my second wind! (also my wife is out and about BUT I think I got this XD) Law of Consecration In 1831 the Lord began revealing aspects of the law of consecration, a spiritual and temporal system that, if followed in righteousness, would bless the lives of the impoverished Latter-day Saints. Under this law, members of the Church were asked to consecrate, or deed, all their property to the bishop of the Church. He then granted an inheritance, or stewardship, back to the members. Families administered their stewardships as well as they could. If at the year’s end they had a surplus, this was given to the bishop to use in caring for those in need. Edward Partridge was called by the Lord to serve as the first bishop of the Church. The law of consecration consists of principles and practices that strengthen members spiritually and bring about relative economic equality, eliminating greed and poverty. Some Saints lived it well, to the blessing of themselves and others, but other members failed to rise above selfish desires, causing the eventual withdrawal of the law from the Church. In 1838 the Lord revealed the law of tithing (see D&C 119), which continues today as the financial law of the Church. https://www.lds.org/manual/our-heritage-a-brief-history-of-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints/chapter-three?lang=eng While the israelites used a tithe in the old testament times they also made blood sacrifices (which we know was changed when Christ came) The saints were given the higher Law of Consecration but because they could not live it, In its Fullness; the Lord revealed to them the Law of tithe which would be easier for them to bear the burden of providing for the saints necessities . The Church subsequently has not changed this since. On my next post I shall dissect D&C 119! (haha wish me luck)

Well she replied but it looks like a mod needs to let her first message through.

haha it looks the same on both

Me --> <-- you guys <-- wait... isn't that peanut butter jelly time?

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Also she will be signing up for a profile so There will be two users from my IP only and obviously her MAC will be different from mine [none of my girls will sign up at this time] so please no ban. Thanks

Madame pulled out the D & C Teacher's Manual and is prepping. She says it is explained there but she is also now studying Hebrew translations. You guys are ALL insane. Big brains getting swung around in here. You guys are going to poke someone in the eye.

Vort by all means I am not here to steal your Thunder. My wife gave me all the info for that discussion and it was pretty clear to me what happened. Maybe I'll read it again after I get The Holy Spirit. I really don't know what else to say. I hope you don't think I am hating on you guys? I am legit here to pass the rest of my vacation and chat. I think we are all learning some really cool stuff. From GMOs to evidence of the Flood. I'll be gone before you know it.. perhaps.

Yo, welcome back

Aaaand I'm Back. Okay. I am done talking to you guys about this but my wife is awesome and sweet. She may get all the stuff you guys need. Up to her. She is my Celestial Queen and very loving. So it might be sooner than later

* * Dab ** Imma go eat, son. See ya in a bit

I see you are nit picking at this time. It is there in plain text. Feel free to take it as you wish

In what sense do you feel like it is not scraping?

This is just from me, it says it all in the intro to D&C 119 to be honest at this point it seems like you are scraping. :C

Ah, I see you guys are still going at it. ok. Well she is going out the door but she mentioned this. Israel paid 22% to the Levites who then paid 10% to the Lord Father Abraham paid a tenth of his spoils of war but not of his personal possessions. and in the new Testament there is never an amount give under the higher law but giving of your own free will - You guys are making my brain hurt. She'll be back soon to continue teaching me. -

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D & C section 119 Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Far West, Missouri, July 8, 1838, in answer to his supplication: “O Lord! Show unto thy servants how much thou requirest of the properties of thy people for a tithing.” The law of tithing, as understood today, had not been given to the Church previous to this revelation. The term tithing in the prayer just quoted and in previous revelations (64:23; 85:3; 97:11) had meant not just one-tenth, but all free-will offerings, or contributions, to the Church funds. The Lord had previously given to the Church the law of consecration and stewardship of property, which members (chiefly the leading elders) entered into by a covenant that was to be everlasting. Because of failure on the part of many to abide by this covenant, the Lord withdrew it for a time and gave instead the law of tithing to the whole Church. The Prophet asked the Lord how much of their property He required for sacred purposes. The answer was this revelation. https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/119 -Apparently the saints failed to live up to the standards of Consecration so The Lord issued them a 10% Tithe You ladies can hash that out if you want. I am off this top for now XD

No worries. Let me copy this and forward it to her C :

Follow up: The Mrs. Wants your source.

I'll let my wife know. She got her degree from BYU so I figured she told me the truth.