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  1. That’s certainly a plausible theory but hardly a certain one. So much of what applies to us here in mortality does not apply to them. Certainly all the warnings in the scriptures that this life is the time for us to work out our salvation don’t apply to them. And the them are many. About 20 billion of our brothers and sisters qualified for the celestial kingdom in our pre-mortal life. We’re not certain how but we are certain that they did. So I wouldn’t be sure that the path set out for us who are working out our salvation in mortality automatically applies to those who had already done so before they came here.
  2. Children who die before reaching the age of accountability and adults who aren’t accountable (developmentally delayed) don’t receive any of those ordinances yet inherit the Celestial Kingdom.
  3. My wife is Latina so I’m partial to Latin classics sung by Luis Miguel. Con Tigo en la Distancia comes to mind.
  4. What??? Who knew? Next you’ll be telling me “Stairway to Heaven” isn’t about Jacob’s Ladder.🎼😇
  5. Sounds like you’re fighting the good fight and doing it with love in your heart. My experience has been that helping our children come to love their Heavenly Father and their Savior is more effectively done by helping them hear the music of the Gospel than by harping on the dance steps. Google Music of the Gospel for a video illustrating this principle. Experiences with the Spirit mold a soul in a fashion that result in the soul craving communion with God above all else. While it may sound like a tall order, it’s doable. It starts with our craving that communion ourselves above all else and having a soul full of joy as a result of that communion. . As our children witness that, we have credibility when we share with them the fact that we have friends who bring joy into our lives but nothing makes us happier than our relationship with Diety. As we help them develop their own relationship with Heaven, Heaven does its part and behaviors and activities that are typically motivated by peer pressure are more likely to fall by the wayside. There are other approaches (e.g. my way or the highway), but my logic has always been if I desire Celestial results, best to try to get there using Celestial principles. Godspeed to you in your parenting endeavors.
  6. You pose it as an either/or, when the hypothetical is about timing, not an either/or. And I’m not so presumptuous as to limit the Spirit in how the Spirit might prompt me. But i can forsee a circumstance where such a prompting might occur. if for example God knew that our parents would be touched by the Spirit and desire to more anxiously seek God’s wii for them if we explained to our parents the sacred nature of the sealing ordinance and our strong desire to make those sacred covenants, while at the same time sharing an invitation to them to witness our civil ceremony, which would of necessity delay our ability to have the blessing of that sealing ordinance and that invitation was accompanied by an invitation for us to be able to share with them our love for them, our testimony of the Gospel and our desire for them to share the same joy we have found in the Gospel, then having four of His children return to the fold and make sacred covenants might underlie a prompting to defer for a short season.
  7. Sounds like your as confident in your opinion as I am in mine. My understanding of what prophets have taught is that we should be guided by the Spirit. So for example, if the Prophet says that young men may now go on their missions when they are 18, I trust that young men will understand that they should prepare themselves for a mission and begin their service as soon after the eligibility age as they can, and give no heed to those who believe they’re not following what they think prophets have taught if the begin their service when they are 19 or 20.
  8. I didn’t say parents are part of the covenant nor did I say celebration or cultural pizzaz would have had anything to do with the decision but it’s you opinion, so you can base it on any assumptions you like.
  9. Well that’s one person’s opinion, and because it’s likely shared by others, you hear couples say they feel shamed into doing something they otherwise wouldn’t do. As one of God’s servants explained, it’s the difference between dancing and hearing the music of the Gospel. My point was that I would be willing to explain my decision to God and let Him look inside my heart and judge me according. Based on a number of other experiences with Him, I believe I would have had peace in my heart regarding the decision. That said, I concede it’s a hypothetical.
  10. I remember missionaries who believed that it was common sense that if a 24 hour fast was good, a 48 hour fast had to be twice as good and a 72 hour fast three times better. My experience with fasting (regardless of the duration) has always been positive when I’ve had proper focus, a focus on communion. Each time that focus has been absent my fast has been a futile diet.
  11. I was fortunate to be sealed and married in the temple simultaneously. I truly believe however, that if our circumstances had been different and our parents had not been members, my wife and I would have opted to marry civilly and then, if necessary, waited a year to be sealed. We would have done so with love in our hearts for God and for each other and with full purpose of heart, explaining the decision to all involved, including God, with humility and love.
  12. I few thoughts. I trust that all of the inhabitants of the Celestial Kingdom will be overjoyed regarding the presence of each and every other inhabitant of the Celestial Kingdom. Such are the attributes of a refined soul. There will not be second guessers in other kingdoms regarding the inhabitants of the Celestial Kingdom, as the Book of Mormon teaches in several places that ALL will confess God’s judgements are just. Those here in mortality questioning the fairness of infants and adults who don’t achieve accountability inheriting the Celestial Kingdom might benefit from the message of Matthew 20. Finally, It seems to me that the same love that motivated Jesus to give options to his Apostles regarding how their salvation would unfold and to honor the unique desires of John the Beloved and the Three Nephites, might have motivated analogous options for those whose faithfulness in our premortal Life qualified them for the Celestial Kingdom.
  13. My thought provoking question for the day...looking at infant mortality rates over the course of history and applying those to the number of people who have lived on the earth, a conservative estimate is that 10 to 15 billion children have died in infancy. Thus there are about a thousand of our brothers and sisters in the Celestial Kingdom for every member of the Church alive today. How did so many of our brothers and sisters qualify for the Celestial Kingdom in our premortal life? Can mortality be properly described as a form of repetrage for the rest of us?
  14. Infants who die inherit the Celestial Kingdom. There have been billions of such infants. That fact makes clear our premortal life was determinative for many of our brothers and sisters. It may well be the case that more will qualify for the Celestial Kingdom in the premortal life then in mortality.