pushka
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Hehehe TannersDad...wise words spoken...
Don't be too harsh on Cal, apparently his fiancee only married him because of the career she thought he was going to take up after college...well paid etc. (correct me if i'm wrong here Cal), and then divorced him when he took a job which wasn't as well paid...so he is entitled to feel a little angry at her greed...
I was more shocked at the general posts that were made by DisRuptive1, who, if I remember rightly has been married 4 times so has more experience of divorce than maybe the rest of us, but maybe less experience of a successful marriage...perhaps he should ponder a little as to why his 3 marriages failed...I am not assuming the fault was all his or all his wives' however!!!
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Thanks Jenda...I will do that next time...all the best, Pushka
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Thank you Amillia...does it also refer to the pre-existence in the bible? or, more specifically about the spirits who were reborn into bodies here on earth, about their degree of goodness? (sorry if that sounds garbled, im finding it difficult to express myself clearly here)
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Thanks Curvette, I thought that might be the case...which is sad if you don't happen to believe that JS and SK were prophets...
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Just because they practise their gay lifestyle...which, within a loving relationship as 'married' would be no different to a male/female practising theirs...in the bedroom, away from the children of course, it doesn't mean that they are putting that lifestyle above the needs of the child they are caring for...if you want to see kinky sex, you need only look to those male/female relationships which you are so ready to claim are better parents than gay couples.
Yes I know that gay couples cannot, naturally, produce children...but they can take on our unwanted children, and bring them up in a loving family environment...
Yes, a gay couple is just as suitable as a male/female couple for bringing up a child.
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I don't believe that they will do this...I do believe that they will teach the children to be tolerant of people with different sexual orientation than they have themselves, and in a wider way to be non-discriminatory against anyone because of their colour, creed, sexuality or whatever.
They would, I assume, teach them that anyone is capable of being a loving parent, regardless of gender or sexuality.
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Thank you Jenda...the problem was that I wanted it both bold and coloured so I got confused about using both codes together, and where to place the text as well!!!
One day this will all be clear as mud to me
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Bible references too please!!! for us non-lds folks!!
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Are there any biblical references to all the above? The eternal plan and the sort of 'caste' system that we came from in our pre-existence? Still sounds like some sort of send up religious script to me...
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Originally posted by Traveler+Feb 13 2005, 09:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Traveler @ Feb 13 2005, 09:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--pushka@Feb 12 2005, 02:34 PM
Thank you Snow and DisRuptive for supporting my post...and yes, you are both correct in your statements too.
I would not deny any child a LOVING parent, of whatever sexual persuasion, as long as they have passed whatever 'test' is required of them...
The greatess sadness to me is to see the NSPCC adverts showing all the poor children (I assume with a male and female parent relationship in their lives), abandoned or abused by those same 'loving' parents/stepparents...
It would be a great gain to society if our children, at school, were taught parenting skills and the hardships of the same...I know that in some areas of the UK young girls (teens) are given a lifelike baby doll which they are asked to care for over a weekend. That doll reacts exactly like a baby in that it cries when it is lonely, hurt or hungry...and if it's done a poop (imaginery of course!!). Over the weekend the care of the baby is monitered and recorded in a chip inside of the doll, and then is checked out by a health visitor, or similar, to see just how well the baby has been cared for...has it's head been allowed to drop backwards, has it been shaken vigorously, allowed to be hungry for too long...all sorts of things...I think it would be a useful exercise for all young teens, or from 11 years upwards to practise with these dolls at school under close supervision, then they have a greater awareness of parenting before they become parents.
For the record I disagree. I believe what is best for children is example. Games may be fun but I believe that growing up in a home with a loving father and mother is much better than weekend experiments.
I grew up in a home with loving parents. I saw and experienced a father that loved his wife and children more than his own life and pleasures. I saw and experienced a mother that loved her husband and children more than her own life and pleasures. My father was also a great provider and is still worth millions. He is not in good health and will soon depart this mortal life. But you know what He still loves his wife and children more than his life.
I have a covenant to honor my beloved wife and children more than money or pleasure. You may all seek what is pleasure to you but I will not give away or sell my family for a moment of pleasure that will leave one empty. Sorry - your arguments have not convinced me that your theories are better. I will not deny Families or the great need for society to recognize and support them. I know Families work and I do not believe anything else has any real future.
The Traveler
Well at least we agree on one thing! We must all put the needs and safety and love of children above our own needs, whether we are male, female, straight or gay...that does not mean that every straight couple raising a child is going to do so...that also does not mean that gay couples are unsuitable to raise a family...the very fact that the gay couples are asking for marital rights and approaching adoption agencies in order to raise a family shows that they are putting their own sexual needs last, and the rights of a child to live in a loving family first...just because what you constitute is a family and what I and some others constitute being a family may differ does not mean that either family is the right or wrong one...they are both as good as each other.
You are very lucky to have been brought up by loving parents...many children are not that lucky...
I wouldn't say that gay people are akin to crocodiles...what do you suppose they mean to do to the children they adopt?
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As you can see...I still haven't quite got the hang of editing posts!!! LOL
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<span style=\'color:red\'>ROFLOriginally posted by lindy9556@Feb 13 2005, 12:19 PM
Maybe the men could get 12 days off for when they are grumpy, disagreeable, and being a pain in the *** days. Of course some men might need more than 12 days
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Here, here Lindy!! I agree....
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Great, Lindy...I thought they probably would have those dolls already in the US...just a shame they aren't made obligatory in sex-ed lessons...:)
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Yep...I remember Curvette...sheeeesh...some men!!
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Yeah...but what price do you put on love and loyalty? That isn't a fairytale surely?
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*mood that is!
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hehehe...I wont tell you what's going thru my mind at the moment then...even with a British accent!!! I'm in a very mischievous mood!! Say no more...
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Well said Outshined!! :)Originally posted by Outshined@Feb 12 2005, 05:57 AM
I knew this thread would get quite a reaction when I first saw it. I think his views will adapt as he gets older.
I've never looked down on my wife this way, which may be why we're approaching our 18th anniversary...
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Oh...and if women didn't produce children for your happy families....WHO WOULD? they belong to the husbands too, you know!!
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LOL...if men had periods they would all be taking pills to STOP them having periods!!! They ain't no fun you know...not to some of us anyways...
I agree that if women want 12 days off a year for periods then men should have 12 days off for 'similar' circumstances...wonder what they could include...lol.
I do NOT agree that women should be paid less because they have children, time off for caring for children etc. When my child was born, I was considered a part time worker, I was on a higher rate of pay per hour than my husband (different jobs), and I worked overtime so that I worked full time...however, as soon as one of my children was ill, hospitalised, it was expected of me to take time off my job to stay with them in hospital...take them to the doctor's/hospital visits etc. I had no choice...
My daughter was hospitalised with severe asthma many times during her first 12 months, I worked around her illnesses so that I was staying at home after she went to sleep in the evenings...usually from around 8pm, going to work in the mornings, and then going straight to the hospital to care for her from 12.30pm till she went to sleep again...I did not start work any later than the men in the office, we all started at 8.30am...that was after I had washed, fed and dressed my daughter and taken her to the childminders for the morning, under normal circumstances...I worked between the hours of 8.30am and 8.30pm 7 days a week to ensure that I was at home at least a morning or afternoon every day with my daughter, and was home at 9pm each evening to put my daughter to bed...my husband worked a straight 8-4pm shift...we both worked between 37 + 40 hours per week, but I was still expected to have his evening meal prepared for him, ready to warm up in the microwave every evening, and to do all the washing, ironing etc.
What do you think about THAT DisRuptive1????
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Can anyone explain this whole business to me...seems that there are contradictory things going on here...according to Curvette the church supports these people during their calling, according to Cal they don't?
What is the 'norm' here????
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Curvette, Jenda and Amillia...once again I applaud YOU on your comments this time!!
Yes, I appreciate the scenario that Cal is trying to set up...but that is just, as you said, 'titt for tatt' plain money business...there doesn't seem to be any room for love in that set up!!
Also, is the SAHW entitled to holidays and holiday pay? Is she entitled to sickness benefits/days off when she is unwell, or will she have to deduct that amount from the allowance her husband allows her to 'spend on herself='spend on herself and the children', in order to pay the husband for taking over the chores in her absence?
Amillia, you sound as if you are doing a great job at your house...I notice that Cal omitted to mention teaching costs when you spend hours teaching your children at home during those essential early years, and all that extra tutoring during the evenings...homework etc...or does the husband get to share at least THAT task? In fact, what does the husband do for his children????
As for the toilet cleaning...well, as you've already said, if it's generally kept clean, then all the women are asking of the gents is PLEASE AIM STRAIGHT, AND MOP UP ANY MESSES YOU MAKE!!! ITS COURTESY....LOL
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LOL...exactly...codswallop, hogwash!! all the same thing...very British!! Hope I didn't offend anyone!!
Could Someone Give Me An Actual Ref?
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Okay...so I suppose it doesn't matter really, which religion you belong to...as long as you believe your prophets are the right ones (if your religion believes there are Modern Day Prophets), then you're okay, because nobody will really know till they reach those pearly gates :)