NeuroTypical

Debating something you don't believe strongly in, seems like a waste of time to me. Have you considered the other ways to arrive at shared understanding besides debate? Like maybe just talking? Exploring beliefs? If you are debating, you have two sides fighting and trying to win. Seems like contention that doesn't really need to be there...

YouTube video pranking the new guy: According to the guy who made and posted the video, "Grandpa" has played this prank on a few new elders now. He grew up in New York in the 1930's, and he has personal experiences dealing with the mafia. They call him grandpa because he is the grandpa for these boys. He takes them out to breakfast, buys them food if they are low, makes sure they have whatever they might need, makes sure people follow through with dinner appointments, etc. He has used his business connections to help some of them get jobs after they go home.

According to Wikipedia: What I haven't found, is a source to Jayhawk's claim that "you can make an incandscant that meets the standard (which has been done by using halogen gas in the bulbs)"Jayhawk? Got any substantiation to this claim? LM

Hi ribbit, Folks on this forum might be able to help you. But if you don't get what you're looking for, you can also try here: Got Lamp Oil It is an online community of mostly LDS people focused on preparadness issues. Happy canning!

Well so far, the only reason we're talking about the radiation coming from Japan, is that we've finally developed ways to detect trace amounts of things, in tiny fractions of amounts that will ever mean anything. Now, if the news starts showing pictures of massive smoke columns heading a mile up into the atmosphere, then it's time to start putting measures into place. If you think that might happen, now would be a good time to stock up on dehydrated milk and plastic tarps and stuff.

Quinn - your experience sure doesn't match the rest of the world using CFL's. Back in 2002, I thought I was being clever in writing the install date on every bulb and saving the packaging and receipts. So far, only two out of around 20 have gone out. My experience is the norm. That's how it is more efficient. . Cool Jay - got link?

Send us all the wedding invitation!

I do. I don't support the ban. I have sympathetic thoughts about what govt should and shouldn't do. I've stated such several times in the course of this thread.But like buggy-whips, the incandescent lightbulb is on it's way out regardless of government action. I'm too busy basking in my couple extra hundred bucks a year, and dreaming fond dreams of cost-effective LED lighting, to shed any tears about what the govt is doing. Again (for the third time), I pick my battles. No, I'm not stockpiling. No, I'm not seeing a slippery slope here. No, I'm not even particularly outraged. Because I only have so much outrage in me, so I want to make sure it gets pointed in useful directions.

They sell buggy licenses? A fruitless dozen or so searches of my county's website doesn't support your assertion. What, there wouldn't be a traffic issue on a road with a 35 or higher speed limit? Or even 25 or higher? You don't think a cop would write a ticket for obstructing the right of way, or some such thing? Yeah, it took a hundred years, but modern American thoroughfares (designed and operated by government entities, and paid for with tax dollars) are no longer set up for horse-drawn carriages. The govt did indeed do its part in killing the buggy-whip industry.Maybe you need to think this through a little more. I'm still thinking my analogy still fits. Horseless carriages didn't cause migraines, but they sure had enough stressful and dangerous things about them to make the analogy fit with the current CFL health complaints. Anyone wanna compare mercury to battery acid?

Sounds like you missed part of my first post: There is an economic benefit to you and me personally, to convert to a more efficient light bulb. Let's do the math:Case 1 - 12 years of incandescant 12 bulbs = $15 (assuming a bulb lasts about a year) 60 watts * 3 hrs/day * 12 years = 788,400 watts = 788.4 Kw Average electricity per Kw = $0.10 (Rough guess of cost in the '90's. Average was $0.12 in 2009.) $15 bulb cost + 78.84 electricity cost = $93.84 Case 2 - 12 years of my CFL in the early '90's 1 bulb - $40 13 watts * 3 hrs/day * 12 years = 170,820 watts = 170.8 Kw Average electricity per Kw = $0.10 $40 bulb cost + $17.08 electricity cost = $57.08 So, it made good economic sense back in the mid '90's. It makes even more sense today with electricity costs going up, and CFL prices going down. (Although the average modern CFL only lasts 5-7 yrs). I figure we save a hundred bucks a year or more using 30 CFL's (including outdoor lighting) than 30 incandescants. I don't buy into the global warming hysteria either. CFL's make economic sense and help me save money - that's the only reason I care. My wife's migraines have gotten worse over the years, but it's not due to lighting, because she'll turn the lights off when she has one. Take a 2nd look at my analogy /w buggy whips. As America retooled itself from horse-drawn transportation to horseless carriage transportation, our road system on the federal, state, county, and local level did indeed effectively help destroy the buggy whip industry. Does anyone here still feel the bite of unjust government regulation because they can't hitch up their horse and drive the buggy to the grocery store? LM

The gospel is true. But a lot of things mormons 'grow up with' are not the gospel.It's a maturing process to figure out which is which. Some criticisms are factually incorrect. Some are uncharitably assuming things that aren't there. Some are true, but don't contradict the gospel. Doubt is good. Resolve your doubt. Once you can say why you believe what you believe, then you're good to go.

I'm confused. Exactly how do people figure out exactly what I'm watching on TV? * My TV receives a singnal - it doesn't send one. * The Nielsen ratings system seems to be alive and well. Apart from a few posts on this forum, I don't usually discuss any sport with anyone.I'm still thinking you're a bit off base here. Being a fan does not automatically mean you are providing a benefit to the sport in question.

Nah, not an insult. A recitation of things I've been told after expressing a lack of melodramic emotion over being given scenarios of woe and destruction. As we can all see, you didn't say my analogy was myopic, you said my reasoning was myopic. But in my experience, folks like you see myopia wherever someone isn't impressed with your prophecies of impending doom. Be it from a conspiring government, FIAT currency, rising food or oil prices, inflation and falling stockmarket - if someone doesn't get worked into what you consider an appropriate lather, it's because we're wearing blinder. Folks have been explaining it to me for a decade Stmichael, you're just the latest iteration.Like this guy back last April, telling us we're wearing rose colored glasses because we didn't believe America had already collapsed. Or this guy back in 2008, tossing out the ostrich insult, accusing me of saying "all is well in zion", and accusing us of being asleep, all because we weren't predicting the proper amount of doom based on the then-high inflation rate and falling stock market. Also from 2008, This guy was calling me a "short sighted person" who did "not understand what money is". All because I wouldn't buy his line about the economy collapsing. Meh. This jabby back-and-forthing isn't a battle. It's me dismissing the importance you place on govt action in the lightbulb industry, and you taking it personally.I know about the commerce clause. I know the fedgov has been exceeding its constitutional bounds, in increasingly alamring ways, since shortly after the Civil War. But no, as I sit here and wish the Dept of Energy would go away, banning the lightbulb barely hits my radar of things that bug me.

If I had to do it over again, I would have done a stint in the military.

Winning post. Our panel of judges also would have accepted "ostritch with head in sand", "blinder-wearing", and "willful dupe who sells soul for trinkets." And like I told you, I pick my battles.

I'm hardly a liberal, but I bought my first CFL back in the early '90's for forty bucks. It lasted for about a dozen years of daily use. I'm not a fan of the govt telling us what we can and can't buy, but mourning the loss of incandescents is sort of like mourning the loss of buggy whips and cleaning horse crap off public streets. Something better came along. *shrug* I pick my battles.

A few thoughts: * Forgiveness is wonderful. Repentace is wonderful. One of them can exist without the other. * Although both bless many, forgiveness mainly blesses the sinned-against, and repentance mainly blesses the sinner. * Just because someone has fully repented, and the whole world forgives him, doesn't always make everything all better. Sometimes there are scars or burdens that remain throughout life, that will not be fully healed until the next life. * That last point probably doesn't apply to 99% of the things we want it to. LM

Gordon B. Hinckley - man of violence:

We've never needed vengence with Qadaffi. Starting the Iraq war and telling him "you're next" was sufficient to get him to abandon his WMD program. I figure we're in Lybia because the US is watching all the stuff happening in the middle-east, and we figure we ought to be involved somehow. You can't be a player if you don't play.

Ma'am, an alcoholic isn't something you stop being. It's something you are for the rest of your life - it's just in control or out of control.You came here for advice, here it is: Learn about alcoholism. If you don't know where to start, try alcoholics anonymous. They have resources for spouses of alcoholics. You need to learn who your husband is, before you decide what to do about your marriage. Good luck.

Is he an alcoholic? If so, he needs an intervention, not a divorce. Is he just choosing to run off and be a jerk? Well - how old are your daughters?

What, you want the zombie food rioters to be drawn to you like a magnet?

Yep - helping folks who can't do for themselves - absolutely. Helping folks who are doing the best they can - no problem. Sheltering people from just consequences springing from their own choices - well, sometimes that's what 'help', 'love', or 'service' looks like. But sometimes not.

There are many, many less expensive, less politically dangerous, and more effective ways to get revenge on Qadaffi than to invade his country and break his stuff. Geopolitics isn't about getting revenge, it's about improving your cards.

Are you a fan of corporate training and communication skills and whatnot? There is plenty of training available on how to approach and resolve important subjects with high emotional content. If you answered yes, I can recommend getting the book Crucial Conversations, or it's companion Crucial Confrontations.