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There is a global anime epidemic. While the rest of the world is working on weapons of mass destruction, Japan is producing some of the most lethal fiction to ever be seen on earth. Just last week I saw an anime fan and have never felt so afraid in my life. Japan needs to be stopped. This is all part of Japan's plot to weaken the USA after the failure of pearl harbour.

I agree it's incomprehensible but this is what I was trying to say earlier. I can't and won't accept that as a final answer, and so I will probably spend the rest of my life trying to make it make sense, which is in no way a bad thing. To just accept it's too hard to fully understand and stop there is lazy in my opinion.

Interesting. My mind works by interpreting things through a mechanical lense. I struggle to accept vaguer notions. I think the atonement can make sense mechanically. I think moral laws govern the universe just as much as physical laws and God is subject to both. D&C 19:16-17 is one of my favourite passages for this line of thinking: Moral law is satisfied at the final judgement because: A) Those who follow the Gospel are saved B) Those who do not receive some kind of punishment. I don't think it's the eternal kind, Christ's suffering in Gethsemane didn't last forever. So suffering as he did, seems to imply a one time punishment for an unrighteous life, followed by eternity in a lower kingdom of Glory. This is just how I interpret it. Your theory makes a lot of sense now that I reframe things. I was seeing the atonement and resurrection as completely separate entities. The atonement mechanically provides us with forgiveness, and then the resurrection gives us the victory other death (somehow). But perhaps the victory over death started in Gethsemane. As a result of the cleansing effect of accepting the atonement, our garments will be white enough to receive an inheritance. No unclean thing and all that. Thank you for your insights.

I have a 3 month old girl and she's our first, that's why I'm struggling, I have literally no idea how to live with a baby.

I am looking for some inspiration also as to how people add a spiritual twist to their Easters. I don't want it to be a day about chocolate eggs and lamb legs this year.

One concept I've always struggled to grasp, is how does Christs resurrection mean we can all be resurrected? How does the victory over death work? I understand other aspects of the atonement, how his experience in Gethsemane and death on the cross enables us to be forgiven. But I really struggle to understand how his resurrection enables our resurrection. Is this a bit nit picky? Maybe. I just like to understand.

Which proclamation? There is several, I agree with you if you are talking about "The Family" I feel like canonising it would go a long way in shutting down progmos.

I remember a little while ago a survey was sent round to leaders (in the UK) at least gathering feedback on opinions surrounding sacrament meetings. Questions like "How long should sacrament meeting last" and "how many speaking assignments should be in sacrament meeting" questions to that effect among other things like "are you happy with how many meetings are taking place"

Interesting examples. I remember seeing in a textbook that the transfiguration in the new testament was a form of the endowment ceremony also. But the rest of this makes sense. Almost sounds like the temple is an additional form of scripture of to learn from. Not to learn about from other sources.

I would love some additions to the canon as there haven't been any additions since the 70's if I remember. For me the canon in principle is open, but in practice feels closed.

I think I might be a bit late to this discussion, but I've had involvement with people who have real depression and mental health issues before. I tried to be a good friend, encouraging, as you have said. but the lack of acknowledgement, flexibility, or willingness to challenge themselves was so infuriating I just gave up and let our friendships fall to the wayside. Because they certainly wouldn't have made any effort to keep in contact. Righteous and Christ like of me? No way. But I've got my own problems in life to deal with and my own family to support. I believe all recovery and healing is like the atonement. Conditional on accepting the saviour, and making the effort to follow basic principles. This isn't to belittle your experiences, they sound awful, but improvement requires effort which is what I think @LDSGator is trying to communicate.

I keep hearing about 1 hour church. People keep saying "Seriously, they are already trialing it" the source being "trust me bro" I have also heard rumour about female ward clerks, exec secs and Sunday school presidents. Don't see much of an issue with these, as there aren't any priesthood keys involved with each calling as far as I'm aware. Maybe for ward clerk, definitely not for exec sec or Sunday school presidents though.

How much in the temple is not discussed because of covenants and how much is not discussed out of reverence? I would love to attend the temple more often but current circumstances don't permit. I will be fortunate if I can attend once this year. As such, I've forgotten some bits and pieces here and there: What is said in the blessing in the initiatory, as far as I'm aware this isn't covenanted to secrecy. Would it be sinful to read it online? Same for symbols on garments? I honestly can't remember if garments symbols are supposed to be kept secret via covenant. I've forgotten some of them too. There is much more I have forgotten so the answer is attend again, but these are the main things on my mind, which I know of no covenant preventing their reverent discussion. Thanks.

Looking at the scriptures, I think the answer is found in section 93 when it talks about the elements being the tabernacle of God, I think what is being communicated is that physical matter is the tabernacle of the spiritual. I think we are still the same because of the spirit bodies housed in our physical bodies. And I think the change over of cells can be likened to a temple renovation. The structure will be physically altered. But when work is complete, it is rededicated, and it is still the same temple, being filled with the same spirit of God. I think yes and no. The human body is its own kind of ecosystem. For example, gut bacteria, is vital to the digestive process but does not originate from our own cells. On a cellular level, we definitely not one individual being, but again, I think our spirit bodies are what gives us our oneness. All things were made spiritually before physically (according to D&C 29). I think your remarks on the immune system and electrons are very interesting indeed, and seem to be in support of the idea that all things possess an intelligence.

I think that Satan having the ability to influence matter on earth would have the desired effect. Giving a child an incurable illness is probably a really effective way to make a parent question their faith. If Satans current sphere is on this earth, I feel like his ability to influence matter within it follows as a logical consequence. Also wouldn't it be fun to rebrand natural disasters as "Acts of Satan"

Something else to consider, when in Job, it appears to be Satan who afflicts Job with Boils, kills his family, starves his herd etc. I know there is split opinion on whether or not what is recorded in Job is real, or purely allegorical. But if you are in the first camp, there certainly seems to be some precedent for Satan causing illness. For example.

I agree. I think the rather tired out "Why do bad things happen to good people?" is a question that can can be broken down 3 sub questions. 1. Why are bad people allowed to sin against others? (Why did Jeff down the road kill my dog) 2. Why do bad things, with no human elements happen to Good people? (Why was I born blind?) 3. Why does God sometimes cause bad things to happen to Good people? (Various boogaloos in the old testament) To an investigator or non-member each gets progressively harder to give a satisfactory answer I find. Obviously the real answer to all 3 can be found in Isaiah 55: But I find quoting scripture, is a really effective way to kill a conversation, if the person you are discussing with, does not have a firm belief in scripture. Question 1 can be answered with Agency. The theory presented in my OP appeals to me because I feel like it effectively answers question 2. I'm open to being wrong, and if I find that out through revelation and study, I will accept that, but for now it serves its purpose and I will take into account what has been offered in this thread and see if it still holds up when I get the time to revisit it. I'm still figuring out question 3 though.

I had to google what FWIW was lol. I don't really agree with this. I may be remembering incorrectly it's been a while since I last went to the temple, but in the endowment ceremony, after receiving a rebuke from Heavenly Father, Satan takes it upon himself to try and rule the earth, and Adam and Eve are protected only through covenant. Arguably Satan has a great deal of power over the earth and its inhabitants, even church members. So if Satan can possess Humans and Swine as seen in the bible, is it a leap to conclude he could possess objects, if according to Brigham Young - objects have intelligence. (I know I am likely at risk of sounding to be agreeing with the occult here.)

I will look into John A Widstoe. Thank you.

That video is a very cool demonstration that I was previously unaware of. I now have a picture in my head of Jesus performing his miracles through high pitch Mongolian throat singing. Perhaps my wording was unclear, but I agree with you that they were likely in a natural hierarchy. The assumption being that the highest, you get Gods, Saviours and prophets, slightly lower you get other mortals, a lower still animals, and the lowest inanimate matter. To have God organise the intelligences would mean he chooses what becomes a human and what becomes a grain of sand. Rather unfair. Obviously this isn't given officially anywhere other than in Brigham Young's own musings, but if he believed all matter has intelligence then it feels safe to assume the above. Is there some other meaning that D&C 93 could be mentioning you know? I would be interested in learning the actual context here. I feel like Moses 3:5 doesn't really contradict any of this. The spirit world existed before earth. But as we don't believe in Ex Nihilo, the matter to create earth was always there. I agree with you that 2 Nephi 2 does appear to be the kicker for this theory. The reason I feel like a tin foil hat man, is because this theory is not officially lined out anywhere in scripture. It's an act of looking at related passages and prophetic quotes and trying to draw a conclusion from it all. Got it all up on my caulk board with drawing pins and red string.

Forgive the silly title, I feel like I can't possibly explain my thoughts here without sounding like a tinfoil hat man. Most of these ideas were I believe put forward by Scholar Cleon Skousen (warning: not a prophet, just very smart man who shared his own insights.) who offered them in the context of why the atonement was necessary. Evidently, I have latched onto some of these ideas and ran with them. Just trying to see if I am in need of a reality check as when I explained this concept to this Mrs. She looked at me like I was insane. Behold D&C 93: Key takeaways for the purpose of this post: - Intelligences existed in the beginning with God. - Intelligence (described as light/truth) is independent, and has the capacity to act freely. - Elements, likely meaning bodies or physical matter are also eternal, and inseparable from intelligence. Abraham 3:22 This seems to imply an order and hierarchy made of the various intelligences. All above board so far, let us descend into a little bit silliness. A quote from Brigham Young Given the scriptural quotes, it would seem when God was organising the universe, he organised the intelligences into a hierarchy, some of which were joined to bodies and made mortal, and some of which was joined to the elements around us. So if physical matter, has intelligence, according to D&C it also has agency. Which is why whenever Christ performed a miracle, he just spoke, and the world around him obeyed. This next part, is probably something which has already been remarked upon somewhere, I'm just too lazy to look for it. If physical matter, has agency, surely it can also choose to obey satan for example. Christ can cure blindness, Satan can cause it. A priesthood blessing can improve an illness, an evil spirit can worsen it. Because of this religious pseudo-scientific explanation, the problem of evil is not something which concerns me in the slightest. Literally everything bad can be blamed on Satan, not a design flaw in Gods creation. I've likely made some huge leaps in logic here, so take it or leave it. I just found it to be an interesting thought.

When we next move, we've discussed getting a 250-300 litre big boy tank. Would need it for one of these!

Here are some shots of the cherry shrimp from my tank. I have 2 nano tanks, a 7 litre and a 25 litre. (I know in America you probably use gallons but I'm too lazy to google the conversion rate, because for some reason the UK gallon and US gallon are different, but that's a topic for another post.) I've become enamoured with youtube videos of people setting up "filterless, low tech aquariums." As they look very cool, and I want a go at making an aquarium jar for breeding daphnia to feed to my fish. This is not pleasing for the Mrs, she already thinks 2 tanks is too many.

A totally sensible explanation. Thank you. Looking at the responsibilities each office holds a second time, I think a large part comes down to how the parents prepare their children to receive an office.

An additional thought: Age based progression seems to have had some side effects within Church culture. A Deacon seems to be treated solely as a sacrament passer, when the office clearly requires so much more to be done. And Teachers who have the responsibilities: Are treated as premium sacrament passers. It seems like Deacons were intended to teach, and Teachers intended to "police" for lack of a better term.