Did the American Government really lie?

[hethathathears]

The other day I went to the gym so I could maintain my "I'm too sexy for my shirt look," when I overhead a party of four lament about the evils of the American Government and the wicked and incompadent Bush administration. They went on to voice that the Bush administration should be brought up on charges for crimes against humanity for the evils inflicted on the Iraqi people. They went on to say that the American Government lied to the American people about there ever being Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, and that the hole thing was so that we could get our hands on oil.

Now I wanted to put my arm to the square and call down fire from heaven for having such a disrespectful attitude about our amazing President that has done so much for the American people. But I have found that this kind of thinking has permeated through out the entire world. I began to question, that maybe I was just a simpleton for believing that President Bush did an OK job. I would say that in some things, the good President has fumbled the ball, like border security and drilling for oil, but I think that as far as Iraq and Afghanistan, he was pretty much right on.

I mean, one of the qualifying issues of if the Iraqi war was valid was if there were weapons of mass destruction when we arrived and did we find them. The answer was no. But then again, if the Police Department went to a known drug dealer and posted a note that said, in 3 weeks we are going to come and search your house, and if we find any drugs, we will arrest you and put you away for life, wouldn't you think that the dealer would be smart enough to remove all of his drugs and paraphernalia. The same was true with entering Iraq. There was Lot's of notice given. Lot's of Senate subcommittee meetings. Lot's of preparing.

One of Saddam's generals even admitted when he defected that they loaded up the weapons of mass destruction and sent them over to Syria. He even gave dates and methodes. I thought the truth was already out, and yet years after, the liberal media is still staying that the America Government lied. Another fact, didn't Saddam use Chemical weapons on his own people in Halabja, March 16, 1988. If I was to paste and clip an article from the Internet, the article read-

Saddam Hussein is the first world leader in modern times to have brutally used chemical weapons against his own people. His goals were to systematically terrorize and exterminate the Kurdish population in northern Iraq, to silence his critics, and to test the effectiveness of his chemical and biological weapons. Hussein launched chemical attacks against 40 Kurdish villages and thousands of innocent civilians in 1987-88, using them as testing grounds. The worst of these attacks devastated the city of Halabja on March 16, 1988.

The question is, did he use every last drop on his own people and there just wasn't anymore, or did he have barrels and barrels of it, but he just loaded it all up on planes for future use.

Or is it just me and the rest of the world is right? What do you think?

Edited June 22, 2008 by hethathathears

[utcowboy]

I think that you'll never and I mean never, get a straight answer from the liberal press or the government until the gates of Hell open wide to accept them home!

[Guest User-Removed]

When Clinton lied...Nobody died.....

[Islander]

People watch CNN for 15 min a day and they feel qualified to bid for Condie Rice's job. I have always believed that in our country we have no sense of historicity and a very short span when it comes to social memory.

We are safe (at least we feel that way), we are affluent, idealistic entropic and distant from the world at large, ignorant of very recent historical facts and naive. It makes for a very dangerous cocktail.

[L_and_P21]

it doesnt matter who we have in office. they will never please everyone.

we just have to pick the person we feel is best. once that is done that we wait and see what happens. as for me, when after i vote, i look to the gospel. i do have a feeling something is going to happen soon in the next couple years.

just remember, the media will only put on what it wants you to believe. count all the horrible things you see on the news then count all the good things you see, not only that but look at the timed differences. the horrible things totally out weight the good in number and in time. the second coming is close. very close.

also clinton knew about osama. he didnt do anything about it, im not saying he had to go to war, but he just let it go.

just remember, no matter who is president or in the cabinet, the Lord is in control.

be unique and vote mickey mouse and donald duck like 1% of the US Population.

[Moksha]

Now I wanted to put my arm to the square and call down fire from heaven for having such a disrespectful attitude about our amazing President that has done so much for the American people.

Perhaps that fire can circumvent the facts. Tell that foursome they should listen to the Colbert Report. What we need to redeem this situation is some truthiness.

[MarginOfError]

We're never going to know all the facts about what went on over there. Intelligence reports are kept classified for a reason. However, I am acquainted with a young man who has worked in intelligence on some of the lowest levels (he collects intelligence from operatives in the field). He told me that there was there was ample justificatin for war.

That being said, the way this war has been handled has been frighteningly incompetent. Ever since the capture of Hussein it's felt like American involvement in Iraq has been influenced by public opinion. No one is being helped by this now.

As for disrespecting our 'wonderful president,' I think wonderful is a long stretch. Bush's presidency has proven two things to me: 1) Anyone in this country can rise to be president, and 2) not everyone is suited to be president. I'm very much looking forward for a change come January.

[sixpacktr]

It will take time for people to realize just how good of a President George Bush was. He has done some things I don't agree with that are way to Democrat/Lib like for me, such as immigration, bloating the gov't, etc. But he has put processes in place to keep us safe from further attack. And for those that think that that is not true, you don't have a clue.

We have a brother that has taken a job in DC that I have had the opportunity to speak with. He works in national security, particularly keeping us safe from Ishmael's children that wish us harm via the internet. He went to DC thinking that everyone is corrupt, everyone is in it for themself. He told me that that is not the case. There are many, many good people fighting a battle behind the scenes we never will know about (even though the Libs and their ilk want feel it is the right to tell everything to anyone, the consequences be damned) that is keeping us safe. IT IS NO ACCIDENT THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANOTHER ATTACK HERE, TRY AS THEY MIGHT.

And that willl carry over to the next administration, no matter who it is. Unless of course, Jimmy Carter Jr gets in and takes everything apart as part of his 'hope' tour. Then Katy bar the door.

Also, the 'Clinton Lied, but No One Died' line is tired. Yes, people did. Seems we killed quite a few people when lobbing bombs to keep the semen stain off of the front page. And 9/11 IS Clinton's fault.

[Fiannan]

When Clinton lied...Nobody died.....

Except Serbians, Albanians and some Chinese staff stationed at an embassy in Belgrade.

[Guest User-Removed]

Bush and Cheney are Gadiantons....

[JcDean78]

The Gadiantons are the Democrats. Its painfully obvious.

The Bush legacy I can sum up real easy. There has not been a terrorist attack on the US since 911. We know they have tried, we know they want to, but our Govt has done an amazing job preventing that. Globally the Terrorist are on the run, their leadership and organization is broken. Thier money is gone. We are winning this thing and it is thanks to Bush.

I despise a lot of things Bush has done from No Child Left behind to the Amnesty crap... but we must give respect where it is due and on the single most important issue facing our Republic, Bush has done a heck of a job.

[Islander]

Bush and Cheney are Gadiantons....

LOL...I understand your feelings but I think you are slightly exaggerating. I think issues are a lot more complicated than that. But, again, politics was never my strong suit.

[Elphaba]

I think it is thoughtless to claim we have not had any more attacks on American soil. Al Qaeda's attacks have risen dramatically across the world due to Bush's policies that include the invasion of Iraq.

This is an excellent, interactive map of Al Qaeda terrorist attacks since 9/11. Unfortunately, it has not been updated since 2006.

Interactive Map: Al Qaeda Attacks Around the World

Human beings are human beings, wherever they are, and I do not value American lives over non-Americans'. Until AQ's slaughter stops across the world, I would not brag about it not happening on our soil.

Elphaba

[Guest User-Removed]

The Gadiantons are the Democrats. Its painfully obvious.

The Bush legacy I can sum up real easy. There has not been a terrorist attack on the US since 911. We know they have tried, we know they want to, but our Govt has done an amazing job preventing that. Globally the Terrorist are on the run, their leadership and organization is broken. Thier money is gone. We are winning this thing and it is thanks to Bush.

I despise a lot of things Bush has done from No Child Left behind to the Amnesty crap... but we must give respect where it is due and on the single most important issue facing our Republic, Bush has done a heck of a job.

Hmmmmmm...If you really believe that, I've got a few Real Estate investments for you...

Somewhere in Texas....A village is missing its idiot....

[Guest User-Removed]

LOL...I understand your feelings but I think you are slightly exaggerating. I think issues are a lot more complicated than that. But, again, politics was never my strong suit.

Actually...I'm simply reguritating old slogans...It's impossible to discuss politics with folks when at any moment if the President stops quicky....they'll suffocate.

BTW...Even though I held my nose and voted for Mitt...He was surrounded by Secret Combinations...

[Fiannan]

Of course the New York Times is doing its part in the war against terror -- just can't figure out for which side:

Michelle Malkin The New York Times reveals the name of KSM’s interrogator, over the CIA’s wishes

[Islander]

Elphaba

One of the fundamental problems of political analysis deals with the almost impossibility of being neutral or unbiased one way or the other. Once we make up our mind, the other side has no chance.

Just out of curiosity, what would have been your response after 9/11 and the sudden, unprovoked death of 3000 of our citizens?

[JcDean78]

Hmmmmmm...If you really believe that, I've got a few Real Estate investments for you...

Somewhere in Texas....A village is missing its idiot....

Is that the best you got to defend a group of people who openly seek to Destroy the work of Christ? People who support the murder of children? People who want to take away our free agency and enslave us? People who work to Destroy the United States?

They work for these things because they know that we can never be taken by force from another nation, only from within can we be Destroyed. They work towards their goal night and day while our Republic now sits on the brink of electing one of their own that will do more damage to our Republic than we can possibly imagin.

Bush has many faults but he has kept us safe and put the terrorist on the run. And for that our nation and the world will forver be in his debt.

[Guest User-Removed]

Words from our late Prophet Seer and Revelator...

Of course...My Thanks to LDS9999...he's our You Tube super stud...

Another Prophet, Seer and Revelator speaks....

Satan is non partisan...He used the GOP to persecution and drive us from America...He used the GOP to place whore mongers in control of the Utah Territory...He used the GOP to strip us of our rights.

President Garfield in his inaugural address condemned Mormonism...A Century later...a Democrat in the White House said this of our people...

[Elphaba]

Of course the New York Times is doing its part in the war against terror -- just can't figure out for which side:

Michelle Malkin The New York Times reveals the name of KSM’s interrogator, over the CIA’s wishes

Let me help you: I think that was hilarious!

Elphaba

[Guest User-Removed]

Is that the best you got to defend a group of people who openly seek to Destroy the work of Christ? People who support the murder of children? People who want to take away our free agency and enslave us? People who work to Destroy the United States?

They work for these things because they know that we can never be taken by force from another nation, only from within can we be Destroyed. They work towards their goal night and day while our Republic now sits on the brink of electing one of their own that will do more damage to our Republic than we can possibly imagin.

Bush has many faults but he has kept us safe and put the terrorist on the run. And for that our nation and the world will forver be in his debt.

It's actually the best I'm going to come up with for you...

I hold Latter Day Saints who blindly follow the current occupant of the White House in similar accord as I hold Anti's and Apostates...

Sorry, but as Garrison Keilor says...the happiest day of his life will be January 20th, 2009

[Guest User-Removed]

Is that the best you got to defend a group of people who openly seek to Destroy the work of Christ? People who support the murder of children? People who want to take away our free agency and enslave us? People who work to Destroy the United States?

They work for these things because they know that we can never be taken by force from another nation, only from within can we be Destroyed. They work towards their goal night and day while our Republic now sits on the brink of electing one of their own that will do more damage to our Republic than we can possibly imagin.

Bush has many faults but he has kept us safe and put the terrorist on the run. And for that our nation and the world will forver be in his debt.

Let me assist you with a brief reality check here...unless, of course what you're posting is going into a "demo reel" for you to get your 15 minutes of fame on Comedy Central?

20 something "Terrorists" hijacked 3 planes on September 11, 2001. All the alleged terrorists were subjects of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA)...not one was an Afgan, not one was an Iraqi.

These Saudi terrorists entered the country through Canada, yet within minutes Bush...or in reality Cheney from the "Secure Location" locked down the Mexican Border.

For the next 3 days...aviation in this country was grounded...EXCEPT for a Royal Saudi 747 that went to several airports to pick up members of the Bin Ladin family and other Saudi Nationals in this country. When the FBI complained, they were told to shut up, US airspace was opened by order of the President.

To this day, the FBI has been refused access to any of the Saudi Nationals who were allowed to flee in first class comfort, while members of the FDNY and NYPD dug through the rubble of what was once the WTC.

Until we attacked Afganistan, the cultivation of opium poppies had been eradicated. What's our legacy in Afganistan...opium poppies fertilized by the blood of American Soldiers.

There are well over 3000 Americans who left this realm in a twinkling of an eye. They know who was responsible...They know...sadly the evil that has enveloped this country and world.

You root for a President who took blood oaths and secret combinations in college????

Hmmmm...and don't retort with "Boys will be Boys" codswallop...

Like the late Albert Speer...the evil is all around you...and apparently you've closed your eyes to it?

[FlaviusHambonius]

As most people know by now, the Iraq issue and what to do about it was on the table as soon as Bush entered the White House.

It's painfully obvious how mismanaged this war on Iraq has been. To think we were going to invade Iraq, oust Saddam Hussain, liberate the people and leave within a short time was folly thinking in the extreme. I cringe everytime they show W on the aircraft carrier shortly after the invation, with his countance just beaming with pride, only to find out later that he had stepped into the biggest pile of s..t since Vietnam. Even George Sr. had the wisdom not to go into Iraq, during Desert Storm.

I will say that W handled the 9/11 tradjedy pretty well as a whole, by going into Afghanistan and liberating the people and especially the woman from the strongholds of the Taliban, but sadly since the focus has been primarily on Iraq for so long, I have heard report's that the Taliban is slowly coming back in Afghanistan.

As for the extremist's on the run globally, that could be, but just to a new location to hunker down for awhile that's all. As for breaking them, this will never happen, as they have only become infuriated a hundredfold.

As for the weapons of mass destuction, yes they had plenty of time to get rid of most if not all of what they did have--if much at all. As has been shed to light by many experts and even Scott McClleland his former press secretary that they were using limited knowledge on WMD as an exuse to go to war---cylinder tubes, yellow cake uranium etc.

As for the comments that our streets are safe now, I sadly hate to burst your bubble but it is only a matter of time when this happens and most experts agree--I hope I am wrong. I think what will happen is well plotted out attacks with dirty bombs, and I also think several cities at the same time-- some cities that were speculated were-- New York, Washington D.C., Boston, Miami, Seattle, Los Angeles, Las Vegas if memory serves me. Chaos, and suffering.

Dick Cheney is a very interesting character, with a streak of evil in him, corrupt with power with a disregard for humanity, all within the scope of agenda--HIS agenda (my opinion)

Donald Rumsfeld brought Cheney up through the Ford administration when he was a nobody.

Awhile back BYU honored Cheney with a achievment award and as they put the ribbon around his head--I kind of felt sorry for the old chap--don't really know why, I just did.

I think it's interesting that during the David O' McKay years of the church that the church was predominatly Democrat's until the Reagan years, when it turned around.

I think the secret societies, Gadiantons, darkness and corruption--whatever you prefer to call it, is in all segments and parties of the government as has been proven time and time again.

Here is a link from PBS FRONTLINE called the Dark Side. I's been awhile since I have seen it--all about the events leading up to the war and many other thing's-- Of course I lap this kind of stuff up--I hope others will take the time to check it out--it's outstanding in my opinion. Sorry, I got carried away and this is so long.

FRONTLINE: the dark side: watch online | PBS

[FlaviusHambonius]

Just a sidenote:

The illigal immigration problem costs more that the war in Iraq-- which is passed onto the American Taxpayer's.

Whatever happened to all of the hullabuloo talk by the Bush administration that Iraqi oil would be paying for the cost of the war, or at least a great part of it? This was stated in the beggining of the invasion if I remember correctly--now there is only deafining silence on the matter-- same old, same old, just pass it onto the good old american taxpayer.

It's just more hot organic material passing out of the backsides of the arrogant and powerful--tell them what they want to hear for now--eventually it will become a non-matter.

I would have voted for Mitt Romney not because he is LDS, but because I think he possibly could have helped the economy.

[Guest User-Removed]

As most people know by now, the Iraq issue and what to do about it was on the table as soon as Bush entered the White House.

It's painfully obvious how mismanaged this war on Iraq has been. To think we were going to invade Iraq, oust Saddam Hussain, liberate the people and leave within a short time was folly thinking in the extreme. I cringe everytime they show W on the aircraft carrier shortly after the invation, with his countance just beaming with pride, only to find out later that he had stepped into the biggest pile of s..t since Vietnam. Even George Sr. had the wisdom not to go into Iraq, during Desert Storm.

I will say that W handled the 9/11 tradjedy pretty well as a whole, by going into Afghanistan and liberating the people and especially the woman from the strongholds of the Taliban, but sadly since the focus has been primarily on Iraq for so long, I have heard report's that the Taliban is slowly coming back in Afghanistan.

As for the extremist's on the run globally, that could be, but just to a new location to hunker down for awhile that's all. As for breaking them, this will never happen, as they have only become infuriated a hundredfold.

As for the weapons of mass destuction, yes they had plenty of time to get rid of most if not all of what they did have--if much at all. As has been shed to light by many experts and even Scott McClleland his former press secretary that they were using limited knowledge on WMD as an exuse to go to war---cylinder tubes, yellow cake uranium etc.

As for the comments that our streets are safe now, I sadly hate to burst your bubble but it is only a matter of time when this happens and most experts agree--I hope I am wrong. I think what will happen is well plotted out attacks with dirty bombs, and I also think several cities at the same time-- some cities that were speculated were-- New York, Washington D.C., Boston, Miami, Seattle, Los Angeles, Las Vegas if memory serves me. Chaos, and suffering.

Dick Cheney is a very interesting character, with a streak of evil in him, corrupt with power with a disregard for humanity, all within the scope of agenda--HIS agenda (my opinion)

Donald Rumsfeld brought Cheney up through the Ford administration when he was a nobody.

Awhile back BYU honored Cheney with a achievment award and as they put the ribbon around his head--I kind of felt sorry for the old chap--don't really know why, I just did.

I think it's interesting that during the David O' McKay years of the church that the church was predominatly Democrat's until the Reagan years, when it turned around.

I think the secret societies, Gadiantons, darkness and corruption--whatever you prefer to call it, is in all segments and parties of the government as has been proven time and time again.

Here is a link from PBS FRONTLINE called the Dark Side. I's been awhile since I have seen it--all about the events leading up to the war and many other thing's-- Of course I lap this kind of stuff up--I hope others will take the time to check it out--it's outstanding in my opinion. Sorry, I got carried away and this is so long.

FRONTLINE: the dark side: watch online | PBS

Dark Side should be required viewing by all who long for the truth.

Here's another website worth viewing

911 In Plane Site DVD

Cheney's visit to the Y was the Administrations reward to President Samuelson for "firing"

Professor Steven Jones...

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Myths - Steven E. Jones - Scholars for 9/11 truth