mountainrider Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 I am an active member of the church and priesthood holder. My wife has asked me for a few priesthood blessings over the last few months for different things that are going on in her life. Without getting into alot of detail, some things were said in a few of those blessings that seem to have not been fulfilled. She is really struggling with this and I am at a loss at explaining to her "why"? She keeps asking me "what is the point of priesthood blessings if they aren't fulfilled"? I have seached the scriptures and conference talks for any ideas but haven't come up with a good answer. Have any of you ever faced something like this? Any thoughts would be appreciated (other than snide ones). Thanks Quote
Guest curvette Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 What did you promise her in the blessing that hasn't been fulfilled? Quote
Ray Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 I’m amazed that you couldn’t find anything in the scriptures or conference talks to help you understand how the priesthood functions, or what is required before a person with priesthood can give a proper blessing. Are you telling me that you believe that this issue hasn’t been addressed before? If you can’t see that this issue has been addressed before, that gives me a clue as to why you cannot understand this issue and give a proper blessing. Seriously, no snide-ness intended. I recommend that you search the scriptures again, including conference talks, while praying for our Lord to guide you through the power of the Holy Spirit. That is honestly the best counsel I can give you. Quote
Guest jackvance88 Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 did she ask for a blessing? or did she ask you to make prophecies for her? Quote
Guest curvette Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Ray@Aug 17 2004, 09:37 AM I’m amazed that you couldn’t find anything in the scriptures or conference talks to help you understand how the priesthood functions, or what is required before a person with priesthood can give a proper blessing. Are you telling me that you believe that this issue hasn’t been addressed before? If you can’t see that this issue has been addressed before, that gives me a clue as to why you cannot understand this issue and give a proper blessing. Seriously, no snide-ness intended. I recommend that you search the scriptures again, including conference talks, while praying for our Lord to guide you through the power of the Holy Spirit. That is honestly the best counsel I can give you. Ray, if you are aware of specific conference talks or scriptures that may help this man, why don't you give him some references instead of just expressing your amazement to him? Quote
Blessed Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 In Community of Christ we have evangelist blessings. Blessings that give guidance from the Lord, but they aren't fortune telling although some would like to think they are. Some are left dissappointed like your wife. I would suggest she get another one, but to have her prepare for it and let her know up front it isn't about fortune telling... just guidance. Blessed Quote
Ray Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Aug 17 2004, 10:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Aug 17 2004, 10:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Aug 17 2004, 09:37 AM I’m amazed that you couldn’t find anything in the scriptures or conference talks to help you understand how the priesthood functions, or what is required before a person with priesthood can give a proper blessing. Are you telling me that you believe that this issue hasn’t been addressed before? If you can’t see that this issue has been addressed before, that gives me a clue as to why you cannot understand this issue and give a proper blessing. Seriously, no snide-ness intended. I recommend that you search the scriptures again, including conference talks, while praying for our Lord to guide you through the power of the Holy Spirit. That is honestly the best counsel I can give you. Ray, if you are aware of specific conference talks or scriptures that may help this man, why don't you give him some references instead of just expressing your amazement to him? Because the most beneficial information comes from learning the truth for ourselves.Also because I'd have to search to find them to be able to give them to him because I don't keep links to that information memorized.Do you realize that we're talking about how someone gives a priesthood blessing here? If so, do you really believe that all of his answers should come from ME ??? Quote
Faerie Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 My husband gave me a few priesthood blessings containing certain promises that took 2 years to be fulfilled...God's timetable is not our own...you can't expect to always give a blessing and have it immediately fulfilled....that's where faith and patience come into play.... Quote
shanstress70 Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Ray@Aug 17 2004, 11:37 AM Seriously, no snide-ness intended. Yeah right, we're talking about the King of Snide here. Quote
Jenda Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by shanstress70+Aug 17 2004, 11:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shanstress70 @ Aug 17 2004, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Aug 17 2004, 11:37 AM Seriously, no snide-ness intended. Yeah right, we're talking about the King of Snide here. Please remember to post to the topic of the post and not to the personality of the people posting.Thanks. Quote
shanstress70 Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 Sorry, I try to leave it alone, but once in a great while it's difficult to control myself. :) Quote
Ray Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by shanstress70+Aug 17 2004, 11:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shanstress70 @ Aug 17 2004, 11:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Aug 17 2004, 11:37 AM Seriously, no snide-ness intended. Yeah right, we're talking about the King of Snide here. You really do need to learn how to read people better, shanstress. I never do INTEND to be snide-ful to anybody. Playfully sarcastic and directly to the point, yes, but never deliberately mean or nasty. Quote
Guest curvette Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Ray@Aug 17 2004, 10:13 AM Do you realize that we're talking about how someone gives a priesthood blessing here? If so, do you really believe that all of his answers should come from ME ??? Of course. You are a font of information and a pillar of all knowledge. To not share such knowledge is stingy and selfish. Quote
Ray Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 Heh, as I said, the best counsel I can give him is to get his information from God, which also includes the information from God's prophets and apostles. I'm flattered that you think so highly of me though. :) Quote
shanstress70 Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Ray+Aug 17 2004, 02:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ray @ Aug 17 2004, 02:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -shanstress70@Aug 17 2004, 11:50 AM <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Aug 17 2004, 11:37 AM Seriously, no snide-ness intended. Yeah right, we're talking about the King of Snide here. You really do need to learn how to read people better, shanstress. I never do INTEND to be snide-ful to anybody. Playfully sarcastic and directly to the point, yes, but never deliberately mean or nasty. It couldn't even be a possibility that you DO come across as snide, right? It's all about me not being able to read people better? I suppose I could be at fault... wouldn't be the first time. But perhaps you should think about way you come across sometimes. And not just to me.edited to fix typos (cooking while typing ) Quote
Amillia Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Faerie@Aug 17 2004, 12:06 PM My husband gave me a few priesthood blessings containing certain promises that took 2 years to be fulfilled...God's timetable is not our own...you can't expect to always give a blessing and have it immediately fulfilled....that's where faith and patience come into play.... This is true. I have had some take 20 years. Quote
Ray Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 I try to be as considerate as I know how to be, yet I am not the one who referred to someone else as the “King of Snide” and then only said that “I suppose I could be at fault”, am I? I’ll tell you what, you stop trying to pull the mote out of my eye and I’ll stop trying to pull one out of yours. Deal? Or how about this: I’ll continue to avoid trying to pull a beam out of your eye and you can keep on doing whatever you want. Btw, didn't we used to like each other? What happened? Quote
shanstress70 Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 I don't dislike you, Ray. I just wish you didn't come across as 'holier than thou' sometimes... like if you're not Mormon you don't know 'jack'. I know you believe that, and that's fine. OTOH, I don't believe that you have the truth, but I don't always try to make remarks about it. I don't know... maybe you don't realize that you do it. I'll try to stop pulling 'whatever' out of your eye... er somethin'! :) Quote
Ray Posted August 17, 2004 Report Posted August 17, 2004 Heh, first, there’s a difference between being “holier than thou” and being aware of what God would have us know. Those are two separate issues. To be holy, we only need to set ourselves apart from the world for God’s purposes. If I’m “holier than thou” it may be only because I’m more aware of what God would have us know and I’m living up to that knowledge more than you are. If you were more aware of what God would have us know and you lived up to that knowledge more than I did, you would be holier than me. Does that make sense to you? Being holy is not a sin, you know. If one of us is holier than another, it may be only because one of us knows more than the other about how to be holy, and not because we’re choosing to be rebellious. Btw, I don’t dislike you either, and I hope we’ll grow closer in love together. Quote
shanstress70 Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 Originally posted by Ray@Aug 17 2004, 05:37 PM Heh, first, there’s a difference between being “holier than thou” and being aware of what God would have us know. Those are two separate issues.To be holy, we only need to set ourselves apart from the world for God’s purposes.If I’m “holier than thou” it may be only because I’m more aware of what God would have us know and I’m living up to that knowledge more than you are. If you were more aware of what God would have us know and you lived up to that knowledge more than I did, you would be holier than me.Does that make sense to you?Being holy is not a sin, you know. If one of us is holier than another, it may be only because one of us knows more than the other about how to be holy, and not because we’re choosing to be rebellious.Btw, I don’t dislike you either, and I hope we’ll grow closer in love together. You still don't get it. YOU think you are aware of what 'God would have us know'. I do not believe that. ONLY TO YOU (and other Mormons) are you more 'aware of what God would have us know'. You don't know how to be holier than me. Those statements you made are the perfect example of what I'm trying to illustrate here. Thank you for making it so easy for me!I am finished having conversation of any type with you. It's like talking to a freakin' broken record/brick wall! One last point... regardless of what you think, you CAN learn things from other people... even non-Mormons. Get some humility!P.S. This still doesn't mean I don't like you. I just think you're hopeless. Quote
john doe Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 Maybe it's just me, but Ray's posts don't seem to be holier-than-thou to me, although he does get directly to what he wants to say. Perhaps you are reading a lot more into his words than what he is saying because you find an unresolved defiency in yourself when he posts? Quote
shanstress70 Posted August 18, 2004 Report Posted August 18, 2004 Originally posted by john doe@Aug 17 2004, 07:43 PM Maybe it's just me, but Ray's posts don't seem to be holier-than-thou to me, although he does get directly to what he wants to say. Perhaps you are reading a lot more into his words than what he is saying because you find an unresolved defiency in yourself when he posts? Uh... yeah that's it. Thanks for helping me figure it out. Quote
john doe Posted August 19, 2004 Report Posted August 19, 2004 Uh... yeah that's it. Thanks for helping me figure it out. Anytime. I like to help out whenever possible. Sometimes it just takes another viewpoint to help you see things more clearly. Quote
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