Nephilim Bene Ha Elohim Sons Of God

[bert10]

The Book of Enoch is where the information orginally comes from. The accounts of Genesis...is only what Moses was allowed to give. The Sons of God who created the Nephilim were the WATCHERS who rebelled against God. They did this by sorcery with the daughters of men. The word Watcher occurs only twice in the bible in the Book of Daniel. The fallen watchers were also the ones who taught men how to make weapons of wars and use them. Currency and the worth of precious metals and stones by seducing the women. Which is all opposite to the kingdom of God. These did lead men in the paths of unrighteousness. And all of mankind had fallen in 10 generations. The Lord sent the flood and put some restraints on them. That in all things evil in its depths and heights....would be matched by goodness in equal depths and heights.

In the kingdom of God men shall not make weapons of war nor do war...nor regard precious stones or metals nor use them as currency which put a value on a man's worth. Neither will woman adorn themselves with paint or with precious metals and stones.

There is a lot more kept out of the bible that what is contained in it.

Does this help?

Peace be unto you

bert10

I want a discussion on "sons of god" marrying the daughters of men. According to LDS view sons of God is the sons of seth marrying the daughters of Cain. But i believe the sons of God to be fallen angels marrying women on earth and these women gave birth to giants wich we could find in both before and after the flood.

Genesis 6:4 (Original KJV):There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, andthey bare children to them, the same became mighty men whichwere of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:12 (Original KJV):And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt;for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Genesis 3:15 (Original KJV):And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and betweenthy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shaltbruise his heel. also see Isaiah 7:14Deuteronomy 3:11 states that the bed of Og, king of Bashan, was 9 cubits by 4 cubits (approximately 14 ft long by 6 ft wide).

"The wicked emperor Hadrian, who conquered Jerusalem, boasted, 'I have conquered Jerusalem with great power.' Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai said to him, 'Do not boast. Had it not been the will of Heaven, you would not have conquered it.' Rabbi Johanan then took Hadrian into a cave and showed him the bodies of Amorites who were buried there. One of them measured eighteen cubits [approximately 30 feet] in height. He said, 'When we were deserving, such men were defeated by us, but now, because of our sins, you have defeated us'" (quoted in Judaism, edited by Arthur Hertzberg, p.155-156, George Braziller, New York: 1962).

Numbers 13: 32-33 Original KJV: 32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of great stature. 33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 6,7

Quotes from Josephus concerning Giants

"For many angels (11- This notion, that the fallen angels were, in some sense, the fathers of the old giants, was the constant opinion of antiquity.) of God accompanied with

women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength;

for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants."

"These kings had laid waste all Syria, and overthrown the offspring of the giants. And when they were come over against Sodom. . ."

"They told them also, that they found at Hebron the posterity of the giants. Accordingly these spies, who had seen the land of Canaan,

when they perceived that all these difficulties were greater there than they had met with since they came out of Egypt, they were aftrighted

at them themselves, and endeavored to affright the multitude also."

"For which reason they removed their camp to Hebron; and when they had taken it, they slew all the inhabitants. There were till then left the

race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and

terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other men. Now they

gave this city to the Levites as an extraordinary reward. . "

"A little afterward the king made war against the Philistines; and when he had joined battle with them, and put them to flight, he was left

alone, as he was in pursuit of them; and when he was quite tired down, he was seen by one of the enemy, his name was Achmon, the

son of Araph, he was one of the sons of the giants. He had a spear, the handle of which weighed three hundred shekels, and a breastplate

of chain-work, and a sword. He turned back, and ran violently to slay [David] their enemy's king, for he was quite tired out with labor; but

Abishai, Joab's brother, appeared on the sudden, and protected the king with his shield, as he lay down, and slew the enemy. Now the

multitude were very uneasy at these dangers of the king, and that he was very near to be slain; and the rulers made him swear that he

would no more go out with them to battle, lest he should come to some great misfortune by his courage and boldness, and thereby

deprive the people of the benefits they now enjoyed by his means, and of those that they might hereafter enjoy by his living a long time among them. "

"When the king heard that the Philistines were gathered together at the city Gazara, he sent an army against them, when Sibbechai the

Hittite, one of David's most courageous men, behaved himself so as to deserve great commendation, for he slew many of those that

bragged they were the posterity of the giants, and vaunted themselves highly on that account, and thereby was the occasion of victory to the Hebrews."

"They had a man who was six cubits tall, and had on each of his feet and hands one more toe and finger than men naturally have. Now the person

who was sent against them by David out of his army was Jonathan, the son of Shimea, who fought this man in a single combat, and slew him; and

as he was the person who gave the turn to the battle, he gained the greatest reputation for courage therein. This man also vaunted himself to be

of the sons of the giants. But after this fight the Philistines made war no more against the Israelites."

[rameumptom]

We are free to believe what we want to believe. its not nice to mock my personal opinions and experiences. i feel the word apostacy soon will be on someones lips here. Why discuss things when you dont tolerate other peoples opinions no matter how absurd they seem. For example i posted an article here that God has a spaceship. Its not absurd since we have several quotes in the bible where God says he has thousands of chariots. There are also at least 10 % of the population in the mormon church who believes in the hollow earth theory. For other christians we are heretics when we claim God once was a man as we are today. Apostacy someone?

Whenever i post something hear out of the ordinary what you in general read hear or hear on a sunday meeting everyone cries out apostacy. Crucifixion.

Boohh to you all.. You will see the sky full of horror one day.

I know God, fire in your heart to your doom will follow my words.

I am so tired of these humans, this planet. It will burn and the ashes will show the truth that you all are part of trying to hide.. End End. God will do whatever he want to do. But i have warned you. As in the days of noa so will it be before the son of man come. He is cracy, he is cracy said his brothers about Christ. You are all crazy, deceived in truth mingled with lies. No wonder the bible warned us about the deception about the last days. It was not an easy deception, that is clear. You are all deceived. Amen

What a nice post. Perhaps you would go further by telling active LDS who are following the teachings of their called and ordained Prophets that they are going to burn for their apostasy, etc?

Your problem is that many of your statements are easily questioned. For example, you insist that 10% of the members believe in the hollow earth theory. Where do you get that statistic? Have you called all 13 million members worldwide and asked them?

Let me look at some actual statistics on the possibility of 10% of members even knowing, much less believing the hollow earth theory. Over half of members are not active. Of those active, only 1/3 pay their tithes. Of those who pay their tithes, only half have temple recommends. Right there, we are almost down to 10% of the members. Of course, just because someone has a temple recommend does not mean they are holding FHE, or scripture study. I highly doubt 10% of the members have even HEARD of the hollow earth theory. Why? Because most have not read Benjamin F. Johnson's diary, where that claim is found.

Is the hollow earth theory possible? Yes, it is possible. It is not, however, doctrinal. Nor is it necessary for our exaltation to know this.

Scholars are mixed on their view of fallen angels, or Watchers (found in Daniel, in some of the writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls, in Enoch, and a few other ancient books). Some, like Elaine Pagels, thinks they are literally fallen angels. Others, like Hugh Nibley, believe that they are fallen priesthood holders that have given over to the temptations of fallen angels (devils). This is what bears out in the Book of Moses, where Cain is the first born after Adam and Eve receive a fullness of the gospel and prophecy about it. Eve bears him saying that now she has a son after the Lord: one who holds the full priesthood. But Cain chooses to worship Satan, and become Master Mahan instead.

Some ancient texts show that it is his sons who develop the heavenly abilities for evil purposes, including music, tent making, and clothing.

There is no evidence that the Cave of Treasures led to any other location but the surface. You really are stretching the ancient texts to get to that story for the hollow earth.

The term "angel" comes from the Greek, meaning "messenger." It easily means either a heavenly or mortal being. A fallen angel, therefore, can be a fallen mortal who held the secrets of heaven (as did Cain).

Most people are not fully light nor dark, but a mixture. A person can have a spiritual witness of Christ, and still not accept nor receive a fullness. Just look at how many Christians follow Christ, but not the living prophets who offer a fuller level of the gospel truth. Your claim of extra knowledge does not impress any of us, as we also have received the same witness of Christ, etc. If you have received a personal witness of non-doctrinal issues, then that is for your own personal use. But it is not doctrine, unless openly taught by the living prophets. last time I checked, you were not on the list of those I sustained.

So, share your beliefs with us. But don't try forcing them down our throats, because we won't listen. Use evidence to support your claims. So far, your evidence does not go very far, and is often hyperbole, rather than actual facts. There is a difference.

[LADYWILLIAMS]

Chapter 6

The most remarkable thing we have upon record concerning the old world is the destruction of it by the universal deluge, the account of which commences in this chapter, wherein we have, I. The abounding iniquity of that wicked world (v. 1–5, 11, 12). II. The righteous God’s just resentment of that abounding iniquity, and his holy resolution to punish it (v. 6, 7). III. The special favour of God to his servant Noah. 1. In the character given of him (v. 8–10) 2. In the communication of God’s purpose to him (v. 13, 17). 3. In the directions he gave him to make an ark for his own safety (v. 14–16). 4. In the employing of him for the preservation of the rest of the creatures (v. 18–21). Lastly, Noah’s obedience to the instructions given him (v. 22). And this concerning the old world is written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the new would have come.

Gen 6:1-2

For the glory of God’s justice, and for warning to a wicked world, before the history of the ruin of the old world, we have a full account of its degeneracy, its apostasy from God and rebellion against him. The destroying of it was an act, not of an absolute sovereignty, but of necessary justice, for the maintaining of the honour of God’s government. Now here we have an account of two things which occasioned the wickedness of the old world:-1. The increase of mankind: Men began to multiply upon the face of the earth. This was the effect of the blessing (ch. 1:28), and yet man’s corruption so abused and perverted this blessing that it was turned into a curse. Thus sin takes occasion by the mercies of God to be the more exceedingly sinful. Prov. 29:16, When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increaseth. The more sinners the more sin; and the multitude of offenders emboldens men. Infectious diseases are most destructive in populous cities; and sin is a spreading leprosy. Thus in the New-Testament church, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring (Acts 6:1), and we read of a nation that was multiplied, not to the increase of their joy, Isa. 9:3. Numerous families need to be well-governed, lest they become wicked families. 2. Mixed marriages (v. 2): The sons of God (that is, the professors of religion, who were called by the name of the Lord, and called upon that name), married the daughters of men, that is, those that were profane, and strangers to God and godliness. The posterity of Seth did not keep by themselves, as they ought to have done, both for the preservation of their own purity and in detestation of the apostasy. They intermingled themselves with the excommunicated race of Cain: They took them wives of all that they chose. But what was amiss in these marriages? (1.) They chose only by the eye: They saw that they were fair, which was all they looked at. (2.) They followed the choice which their own corrupt affections made: they took all that they chose, without advice and consideration. But, (3.) That which proved of such bad consequence to them was that they married strange wives, were unequally yoked with unbelievers, 2 Co. 6:14. This was forbidden to Israel, Deu. 7:3, 4. It was the unhappy occasion of Solomon’s apostasy (1 Ki. 11:1-4), and was of bad consequence to the Jews after their return out of Babylon, Ezra 9:1, 2. Note, Professors of religion, in marrying both themselves and their children, should make conscience of keeping within the bounds of profession. The bad will sooner debauch the good than the good reform the bad. Those that profess themselves the children of God must not marry without his consent, which they have not if they join in affinity with his enemies.

Gen 6:3

This comes in here as a token of God’s displeasure at those who married strange wives; he threatens to withdraw from them his Spirit, whom they had grieved by such marriages, contrary to their convictions: fleshly lusts are often punished with spiritual judgments, the sorest of all judgments. Or as another occasion of the great wickedness of the old world; the Spirit of the Lord, being provoked by their resistance of his motions, ceased to strive with them, and then all religion was soon lost among them. This he warns them of before, that they might not further vex his Holy Spirit, but by their prayers might stay him with them. Observe in this verse,

I. God’s resolution not always to strive with man by his Spirit. The Spirit then strove by Noah’s preaching (1 Pt. 3:19, 20) and by inward checks, but it was in vain with the most of men; therefore, says God, He shall not always strive. Note, 1. The blessed Spirit strives with sinners, by the convictions and admonitions of conscience, to turn them from sin to God. 2. If the Spirit be resisted, quenched, and striven against, though he strive long, he will not strive always, Hos. 4:17. 3. Those are ripening apace for ruin whom the Spirit of grace has left off striving with.

II. The reason of this resolution: For that he also is flesh, that is, incurably corrupt, and carnal, and sensual, so that it is labour lost to strive with him. Can the Ethiopian change his skin? He also, that is, All, one as well as another, they have all sunk into the mire of flesh. Note, 1. It is the corrupt nature, and the inclination of the soul towards the flesh, that oppose the Spirit’s strivings and render them ineffectual. 2. When a sinner has long adhered to that interest, and sided with the flesh against the Spirit, the Spirit justly withdraws his agency, and strives no more. None lose the Spirit’s strivings but those that have first forfeited them.

III. A reprieve granted, notwithstanding: Yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years; so long I will defer the judgment they deserve, and give them space to prevent it by their repentance and reformation. Justice said, Cut them down; but mercy interceded, Lord, let them alone this year also; and so far mercy prevailed, that a reprieve was obtained for six-score years. Note, The time of God’s patience and forbearance towards provoking sinners is sometimes long, but always limited: reprieves are not pardons; though God bear a great while, he will not bear always.

Gen 6:4-5

We have here a further account of the corruption of the old world. When the sons of God had matched with the daughters of men, though it was very displeasing to God, yet he did not immediately cut them off, but waited to see what would be the issue of these marriages, and which side the children would take after; and it proved (as usually it does), that they took after the worst side. Here is,

I. The temptation they were under to oppress and do violence. They were giants, and they were men of renown; they became too hard for all about them, and carried all before them, 1. With their great bulk, as the sons of Anak, Num. 13:33. 2. With their great name, as the king of Assyria, Isa. 37:11. These made them the terror of the mighty in the land of the living; and, thus armed, they daringly insulted the rights of all their neighbours and trampled upon all that is just and sacred. Note, Those that have so much power over others as to be able to oppress them have seldom so much power over themselves as not to oppress; great might is a very great snare to many. This degenerate race slighted the honour their ancestors had obtained by virtue and religion, and made themselves a great name by that which was the perpetual ruin of their good name.

II. The charge exhibited and proved against them, v. 5. The evidence produced was incontestable. God saw it, and that was instead of a thousand witnesses. God sees all the wickedness that is among the children of men; it cannot be concealed from him now, and, if it be not repented of, it shall not be concealed by him shortly. Now what did God take notice of? 1. He observed that the streams of sin that flowed along in men’s lives, and the breadth and depth of those streams: He saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth. Observe the connection of this with what goes before: the oppressors were mighty men and men of renown; and, then, God saw that the wickedness of man was great. Note, The wickedness of a people is great indeed when the most notorious sinners are men of renown among them. Things are bad when bad men are not only honoured notwithstanding their wickedness, but honoured for their wickedness, and the vilest men exalted. Wickedness is then great when great men are wicked. Their wickedness was great, that is, abundance of sin was committed in all places, by all sorts of people; and such sin as was in its own nature most gross, and heinous, and provoking; it was committed daringly, and with a defiance of heaven, nor was any care taken by those that had power in their hands to restrain and punish it. This God saw. Note, All the sins of sinners are known to God the Judge. Those that are most conversant in the world, though they see much wickedness in it, yet they see but little of that which is; but God sees all, and judges aright concerning it, how great it is, nor can he be deceived in his judgment. 2. He observed the fountain of sin that was in men’s hearts. Any one might see that the wickedness of man was great, for they declared their sin as Sodom; but God’s eye went further: He saw that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually—a sad sight, and very offensive to God’s holy eye! This was the bitter root, the corrupt spring: all the violence and oppression, all the luxury and wantonness, that were in the world, proceeded from the corruption of nature; lust conceived them, Jam. 1:15. See Mt. 15:19. (1.) The heart was naught; it was deceitful and desperately wicked. The principles were corrupt, and the habits and dispositions evil. (2.) The thoughts of the heart were so. Thought is sometimes taken for the settled judgment or opinion, and this was bribed, and biased, and misled; sometimes it signifies the workings of the fancy, and these were always either vain or vile, either weaving the spider’s web or hatching the cockatrice’s egg. (3.) The imagination of the thoughts of the heart was so, that is, their designs and devices were wicked. They did not do evil through mere carelessness, as those that walk at all adventures, not heeding what they do; but they did evil deliberately and designedly, contriving how to do mischief. It was bad indeed; for it was only evil, continually evil, and every imagination was so. There was no good to be found among them, no, not at any time: the stream of sin was full, and strong, and constant; and God saw it; see Ps. 14:1-3.

[LADYWILLIAMS]

1Jo 3:1-8 ¶ Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

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