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The Commitment Pattern has four Steps 1. Prepare (with the sub steps of) Build Relationship of trust Help other feel and recognize the spirit Present the Message Find out how they are understanding the message 2. Invite (What ever it is you are trying to get them to do) 3. Follow Up (Some time after the initial Invite) 4. Resolve Concerns (at any time in the process that concerns get raised) Its a tool and like any tool isn't really good or bad... How an individual uses or abuses the tool that matters.

Indeed.. There have been many who basically say "If you do not agree with my proposed 'fix' of a 'bad' thing. Then you support a 'bad' thing" Abuse is one of the those bad things that people tend to do this on. For example I have been a member of the church all my life. In all my memory the church has taught that Abuse is a 'bad' thing and should not happen. And if it does happen then the person that has done the abusing needed to repent. That message came through loud and clear to me I agree with it 100%. But I have several issues with people claiming that the church is responsible and needs to do more!!!!! When I attempt to share these thoughts the response from these kind of people is that I am an enabler that I support abusive behavior. And I am sorry but I am not interested in being abused in that fashion.

Indeed.... If the OP truly want to Educate about Abuse and Patterns of Abuse then they can't then get offended when we point out that 35 to 40 percent (using Mirkwoods estimates because it is hard to get solid numbers) of the victims of abuse are told that they will not be believed or that it can't happen to them. I mean everyone knows kids can be abused and there is nothing magic about having a Y chromosome that means after puberty you become immune to it. Yet instead of simply acknowledging and say 'Yeap everything I said applies to men to' The OP appears to have taken offense instead. That tells us more about them then it tells them about us.

My understanding is that they can not build a flame trench or any trench really. They are just a few feet above the water table. So they would have to build up before they could reasonably build down.

We would do well to remember there is an aspect of "The Lord's timing" as well to all his promises. We know this, we get taught this, and yet all too often we fall into the trap of "God as a vending machine" and we really should know better. The Book of Mormon promise is True... God will reveal the Truth of it to everyone who does what it requires. However we often add our own little expectation/requirement that God would do it right immediately after. But that is nowhere in the promise. It does appear to be how it works for most people, which can reinforce this idea, but it is not really in the promise. I know for me the answer came, but it did not come quickly. I was in "I choose to believe" mode for nearly a year once I got serious about gaining a witness. Then I got the promised witness, that allowed me to move to "I know" Why did it take so much longer for me? I have no idea, it wasn't from lack of faith or willingness to believe or willingness to do the work, because it clearly did happen for me. Clearly the Lord had his reasons, and one day I hope to understand them.

What we should be thinking, pondering, and wondering if we should change something about... Are the things under our control and stewardship. Last I checked I had no control or stewardship over the designs of the Temple. The people that do I have every reason to believe are trying their best with study, prayer, and ponderings over such things. Will they be perfect all the time, every time? Nope. But such projects have several different checkpoints where they have to work with others that also have stewardship. I would expect these kinds of projects to be more correct because of this than I would ever be on my own. Ponder what you want to Ponder. Think about what you want to Think about. Study what you want to Study. Just remember what you are doing should be drawing you closer to the Lord. If instead it leads you to Fault Finding or Ark Steadying then it is an Evil Fruit and you need to redirect.

In 3rd Nephi the Lord tells us that the "Spirit of Contention" is of the devil. That seems pretty clear, but it does open the possibility of being able to "Contend" without the "Spirit of Contention" That was how I always reconciled Christ's words with other scriptures with more positive takes on contention. Plus it seems to perfectly align with D&C on exercising priesthood authority (aka the dangers of unrighteous dominion) Now our Prophet is saying do not Contend. That strikes me as a council for our day. Like Boarding the Ark was in the day of Noah, or the Law of Moses, or even the Word of Wisdom. Council and direction for those living today in this environment. This leads me to wonder if our environment has become so toxic (or shortly will) that we can no longer Contend without having the Spirit of Contention... I mean that was already a very hard thing to do before... Is he warning and forewarning that it is no longer going to be possible?

No individual scripture stands alone. No individual correctly understood/interpreted scripture contradicts any other correctly understood/interpreted scriptures. But we often have a problem correctly understanding/interpreting scripture. The scriptures are clear that only Christ paid for sin in the redemptive sense of paid. The scriptures are also clear that we will all pay for sin in the suffering sense of paid until and unless we exercise faith in Christ, repent and are cleansed by the power of Christ's atonement. Note that this Section and verse is not given to novices in the gospel, but rather to those that should already have a firm grasp of the basics. The section goes from the Paid for our Sins in the suffering sense to the being Clean step. The fact that it omits steps we all should already have a firm understanding of should not be taken they don't exist, but rather that is is not repeating things we should already know.

It seems to me that this subject is ripe for Hammer problems.. When all you have is a Hammer everything looks like a nail. When all we understand is the mortal biological reproductive process... we make divine reproductive processes look mortal and biological. The scriptures clearly state that God's thoughts are not our thoughts, God ways are not our ways. It also seems pretty safe to say that God's biology is not our biology. Yet our thoughts, ways and biology are the only hammer we really have to try to understand God. The scriptures talk about God creating Adam from the dust and Eve from Adam's rib. A God that can create Adam's DNA from the dust, and Eve's DNA from Adam's rib, does not seem like he would have any problem creating Christ mortal DNA from Mary's egg. Did he though? I don't know... And that is another issue that affects this subject we do not seem nearly comfortable with saying and acknowledging "We do not know" Instead we try to "Hammer" the unknown into something we think we know. And more often than not we end up being wrong.

If you are an idiosyncrasy... you are not the only one. I am also of the thought the accepting Christ is the only way out of Hell... He is the WAY after all. We are given a promise that with repentance God will remember our sin no more. However there is no promise or path given for God to remember the Good/Works that we never did. And Judgement is in two parts... Did we accept Christ and then by our Works. I think the problem many encounter if they (The Hell/Telestial group) are not evil then they must be good... and that is a false binary. If this holds then the dividing points of the three degrees of glory that make up the Kingdom Heaven is our willingness to do Good. The Telestial will not (They will not do evil either) Terrestrial will do good until it gets hard for them and the Celestial will do Good even when it is hard and carries a personal cost.

If I might offer my own thought. Maybe the Lord was telling you and your wife that was all he 'required' of you. That is easy enough to take as 'being done.' But doing more then just what is 'required' is usually a good thing.

We are suppose to be "Doing many things of our own free will" and "Bring to pass much righteousness." So I can see a scriptural foundation for going out and doing good. The downside is that we still need to be spiritually lead, but as such groups grow (assuming a certain about of popularity) it is harder and harder to make sure everyone is following the spirit's direction... it is so easy to follow other influences instead. And the leader(s) also have to contend with the issues described in D&C 121 as they get more influence. So we should not be surprised that many such things end up corrupted from their idealistic starting points. If we want to join such a group we should not be willing to turn a blind eye to what they do, just because we like what they say. This should hold for all kinds of groups we might be members of... not just religious ones

Other have spoken about trying to make the miracle "fit"... But what if it fits just fine with a different understanding of Christ's character, or maybe not different understanding just rearranged a bit. We are important to our Savior and our Father. Because of this that which is important to us, becomes important to them. They delight in blessing us.. The only limits are our faith, and it being 'Right' according to the wisdom of God. So why wouldn't this fall neatly into that category. It was important to Mary. Mary had faith. While we can't judge it being 'Right' according to the wisdom of God, it seems clear that it was. So he delighted to do it. This would mean that in addition in needing Faith for a miracle it also needs to be right. For example I am sure many here have the Faith to have a miracle of great wealth, but they do not get it. Most likely because it would destroy them. But turning water into wine for one event? Doesn't seem like that has too many downsides will lots of faith affirming upsides.

Drop a payload that would not burn up entering the atmosphere.

To quote a scripture... "Have you inquired of the Lord?" I mean I would hope and assume that you had and you didn't get anything you understood. If you asked and got an answer then 'Just do it'... If you have not asked then again I say 'Just do it.' Otherwise it seems like you are in a position to show your agency. I mean that really is the whole point of being on earth. We become what we choose to become, and you have a choice right now to make, that will help define the kind of person you become. It that case you need to choose what kind of person you want to be, and make the choice that helps you get there

One of the biggest and most destructive misinformation (aka lies) that we have been told is when it is called a Covid "vaccine" If they were being honest about it they would be calling it the Covid genetic therapy shot that was rushed through testing. Why do they not give correct information (aka be honest)? Because most people would have understandable concerns about being at the cutting edge of genetic therapy,and not consent to it. But many people do understand how vaccines work (at least in layman's terms). Vaccines have a long and proven history so much that the majority of those that have concerns about vaccines do not have concerns about the effectiveness of the vaccine, but about the possible side effects (Aka those who suspect a link to Autism), or about getting the wrong bug (aka the effectiveness of the yearly flu shot) or they for whatever reason prefer to take their chances of possibly getting sick vs the possibility of a reaction to the vaccine. None of these "Anti Vaxxers" positions deny the effectiveness of vaccines in general So we get lied to. We get told it's a "Vaccine" so they can ride on the trust and familiarity we have toward vaccines to get us to consent to genetic therapy under false pretenses instead. In addition anyone that tries to point this out gets labeled "Anti Vaxxer" "Anti Science" and accused of spreading misinformation. While their massive lies remain unchallenged. It makes no sense to need a "vaccine" after you have already fought off the disease. You do not need a "vaccine" "booster" within weeks of an initial shot. Yet you might need it for genetic therapy treatment, I mean the general public (including me) has no real idea how genetic therapy works... so sure why not. And it is simple Human nature one you know you are being lied to and fed disinformation, to never trust them again. And to look for reasons for the lie. Greed/power grab is almost always the reason

Indeed... We have to remember that Public Schools did not always exist... They came into existence to try and address issues they had with "Home Schooling" aka parental apathy. We haven't solved that 'root' issue, yet (and maybe not ever in a fallen world). With out that fix no matter what we try, we are simply trying to bail out the water faster then it comes in.

People are caught up in the idea that the Court couldn't prove intent. But for me proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is a high bar to clear for very good reasons. But people seem to be ignoring the fact that the Court found disenfranchisement of the vote. If our vote is suppose to matter, if we are suppose to be able to "Trust" the results of an election this should be a huge red flag. This should be triggering warning bells, this should have people of all political parties saying it does not matter if this was intentional, or incompetence, or some kind of system failure, it is simply unacceptable anywhere for any reason. Now people might be inclined to think is is a little podunk place in Arizona that had no impact, on the end result. Ok, but if we wait to fix it until it has an impact then it is to late. Bottom line if you like to dismiss cry's of vote fraud as the work of sore losers and wacky conspiracy theorist this courts findings should scare you spit less. This court finding gives those claims and more importantly future clams legitimacy. Unless steps are taken to secure the vote now the next election will have even more contested elections. And those that contest them will be seen as more and more reasonable. This should be of great concern to everyone no matter their party, who expects votes to matter and to be honored.

And to bring it back to the initial point... Most certainly not economically

Both. Lets clear this up. Good security practice is to only give access to resources to people that have a legitimate need for that resource. No matter how much you might trust them, only give them what they need to do their job. The church has a resource in the form of a membership database. Bishops (and frankly most members) have no legitimate need to randomly access this database on a whim. So they do not have access to do this. However Bishop's do have a legitimate need to "Request Records" to fulfill their calling. People move, people come to the Bishop saying 'I'm here now, can you help me' Without being able to get their records this becomes an issue. So the church has provided a way for the people in a Ward with the proper calling to asks for a record, usually this is a fast and simple process. But ask any Clerk that has struggled to pull a record in because they get some bad info to base the request on, and you will know they can't just browse the database looking. That is good security practice, but from the moment the first security is put in place people have been trying to get around it. The bishop in this example potentially tried to get around the system, by possibly abusing privilege he did have, to get information he should not have. He most likely tried to request the record of someone he should not. The system could give him two responses. It could give him the record, if there was a record he was authorized to see, a record by definition would tell him something. Or the system could give him nothing. Nothing is just that... Nothing. Sadly lots of people jump to conclusions and infer lot of "facts" based on nothing. Someone being excommunicated is a "possible" reason someones records can't be found, but again I refer you to any ward clerk that struggled to pull in someones record, that is it not the only reason they may fail to find any record. And its not like the Bishop who might be overstepping can reach out to the target to correct some bad information.

The subject of the lost 10 tribes is speculative... So take my thoughts below in that line of speculative reasoning. The 10 tribes are not lost to God. They are lost to the world and to themselves. The Jews are not lost because they maintained their Tribal identity, without it they too would have been lost. We know that the Lord is going to gather together in a group, the lost 10 tribes. We know from Jacob 5 the Olive Tree allegory that the gathering is going to take a bit. You don't really have a group without a group identity, but you can't identify as the 10 tribes or you are no longer lost. So it seems reasonable that the 10 tribes are being gathered by the Lord, under a new name/identity. We know that the Lord is going to use Ephraim to do the gathering and that means an organization, and we kind of know what that organization is going to look like. So it shouldn't be that hard to find. It needs to be led by God, so prophets and apostles. We know what that looks like. It needs to be Missionary oriented, sending missionaries out to convert people to the Lord, and this new identity. We know what that looks like as well. The scriptures are full of the Lord hiding things in plain sight, so the Lord could be hiding their tribal identities in plain sight as well. They could have patriarchs declaring lineages... which means they aren't lost any more but if they do not understand it then they still kind of are. And in case pieces aren't quite clicking yet... Maybe their current Prophet has recently gone on record as saying something like "We are gathering Israel on both sides of the veil" Because to me that is what the gathering of the 10 tribes logically looks like. And I see no reason for there to be two such organizations gathering them. We have our records in the Doctrine and Covenants and other modern revelation, we have the record of the Nephites (Book of Mormon) and the Jews (Bible). While more might still come, we have enough to also say the prophecy is complete concerning the coming forth of records when the timing it right. Then we have prophecies of the movements and revealing of the 10 tribes who were lost. Those have not happened yet, but if my thoughts and speculative reasoning is correct then those are prophecies of our movements and unveiling by the Lord. This would mean that the lost 10 tribes that have been gathered are currently hiding in plain sight under their identities as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The term to look for in the inverter is not Square Wave... Its Pure Sine Wave vs Modified Sine Wave... Pure is the one that shouldn't give you any problems (and the most expensive)... a modified one might

Men and Women are different. God designed us that way. The natural man seeks to take these differences and declare that one is 'better' than the other. This is a falsehood and used by Satan to alienate us from each other. God doesn't see it that way and he does not want us to see it that way either. Sadly we keep ignoring that. We keep pointing to things like church attendance or self reported "Spirituality" as if they matter. We take those 'signs' of righteousness/worthiness when at best they are a glimpse through a glass darkly for us that which God sees clearly. Now some might think that since we are all different then it is possible that these difference might affect some subgroups ability to be 'righteous/worthy/saved etc. And sure if that was the only thing in play here it might, but it is not. We are dealing with God here and his Atonement. The Atonement of Christ takes care of everything we have no control over... including those difference. So anyone that wants think that one gender is better off, is denying or misunderstanding a big aspect of the Atonement of Christ. ( I do give our leaders a bit of a pass on this, because this can be a hard thing to convey when you have to call some group to repentance, which is also their job) If men (or women or any other subgroup) is truly behind due to things beyond their control (like biology)... then the Atonement of Christ brings them right up to the same starting line as everyone else.

The scriptures tell us Satan wanted to take God's glory and honor.... When he failed that his next desire per scriptures is to make us miserable like he is.. This 'second curse' denies him that. He can not make anyone miserable like he is. He can temp sure... But Christ is going to redeem all but the Son's of Perdition. (aka those that with full light and knowledge choose to reject Christ). He is not going to be able to 'drag' any one of us down with him.. The best he can hope for delay and distract us. Those that he does 'get' aren't going to be because of him.... but rather because of their own choosing. I have no problem with him being quiet upset by that little revelation

I have never read a compelling case for the Telestial Kingdom not being part of the Kingdom of God. The scriptures teach that the Kingdom of God has no sin or filthiness, the scripture also teaches us that we are all sinners, filthy and unworthy of the Kingdom of God. It then teaches us that only through Christ can we be forgiven, made clean, and found worthy, because he is all of those things. It is only through him and by no other means can this happen. Not even intense personal suffering because of our own sins can do this, otherwise Sons of Perdition would have an end. Now we are told that Hell will be emptied out and those inside it enter the Telestial Kingdom, but we don't need to suppose or imagine some new mechanism for this to happen. We have already been told that there is only one way. Christ, by the power of his atonement. No other idea, theory or proposal has any scriptural authority. For those still unclear of the implications of this I would like to point to the conversion of Alma the Younger. He was a wicked and evil man. When he was out doing evil with friends and Angel of God appeared before them and smote them with the words of his mouth. This smiting was so powerful that it effectively sent Alma the Younger straight to hell while still alive. Alma the Younger had only one way out and it discovered it/found it/remembered it three days later. He called upon Christ and was converted. We need not and even very much should not pretend that there is any other way out. Those following the path of Hell-Telestial Kingdom will get out when they convert to/accept Christ when they arrive at the Telestial Kingdom will no longer be like Alma the Younger pre angel, but like Alma the Younger (and friends) after he wakes up and is converted. That is a pretty glorious state even if it is not as much as it could have been. It is also in no way a restoration from Sin to Happiness unless we exclude the power of Christ in the changing of what they are... and if we go there none of us make it.